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5/21/2014 12:15:41 PM EDT
Judah P Benjamin - I'm doing a research paper on him ; if anyone has any good information for me that would be great.  everything I've read says he was smart if not the brains of the confederacy . Motives would be interesting to know but he left no manifesto behind and became very mysterious after the war : Discuss

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5/21/2014 12:27:45 PM EDT
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He looks like there was plenty of Kosher food to eat down south.



Not a meal skipper, that guy.
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You sir are correct sir

Kentucky Fried Chicken for breakfast lunch and dinna
5/21/2014 12:40:40 PM EDT
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Don't introduce that to General Discussion, conspiracy theorists already think I run Hollywood and some sort of magical World Bank.
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Down South that would be breakfast, dinner, and supper.

You sir are correct sir

Kentucky Fried Chicken for breakfast lunch and dinna
5/21/2014 1:50:39 PM EDT
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At the time of the Civil War's start, the 2nd largest synagogue in the US was located in Albany, GA.  There is a large amount of generally unknown Jewish history involved in the southern states.

The involvement of Jewish people in the Confederacy should be viewed no more differently than the involvement of their non-Jewish neighbors.  They were landowners and businessmen who saw their way of life threatened by the North's stance on abolishing slavery without regard for the economic impact it would have on the South.

Therefore when it came to fighting over the issue, they fought on the side that was supportive of their own economic interests.
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The involvement of Jewish people in the Confederacy should be viewed no more differently than the involvement of their non-Jewish neighbors.  They were landowners and businessmen who saw their way of life threatened by the North's stance on abolishing slavery without regard for the economic impact it would have on the South.
Therefore when it came to fighting over the issue, they fought on the side that was supportive of their own economic interests.
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He looks like there was plenty of Kosher food to eat down south.
Not a meal skipper, that guy.  

At the time of the Civil War's start, the 2nd largest synagogue in the US was located in Albany, GA.  There is a large amount of generally unknown Jewish history involved in the southern states.
The involvement of Jewish people in the Confederacy should be viewed no more differently than the involvement of their non-Jewish neighbors.  They were landowners and businessmen who saw their way of life threatened by the North's stance on abolishing slavery without regard for the economic impact it would have on the South.
Therefore when it came to fighting over the issue, they fought on the side that was supportive of their own economic interests.
Aha!  I knew it.
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At my great grandmothers it goes breakfast, supper, and than dinner
5/21/2014 2:08:31 PM EDT
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I did my masters thesis on ethnic regiments in the confederacy. You should check out Ella Lonn's Foreigners in the Confederacy. The south was not the great aryan republic modern liberals paint it to be.

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dont tell them that.
they believe it was the 2nd Reich..
5/21/2014 3:32:35 PM EDT
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evening history crew??
5/21/2014 3:41:52 PM EDT
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If you haven't looked at the government compiled "Official Records of the War of the rebellion", check those out. Don't know what info it'll have on Benjamin, but most major figures show up there at least once.
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You sir are correct sir

Kentucky Fried Chicken for breakfast lunch and dinna



At my great grandmothers it goes breakfast, supper, and than dinner


I don't know where your great grandmother lived, but in the Deep South, we call dinner what you call lunch.
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You mean there was an Irish brigade in the Union and Confederate armies?



Mind blown!



 
5/21/2014 3:51:39 PM EDT
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Yes............you even had revolutionaries who were run out of Europe for trying to overthrow their various govts who threw their lots in with the Union..............48'ers.

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You mean there was an Irish brigade in the Union and Confederate armies?

Mind blown!
 

5/21/2014 4:28:52 PM EDT
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Wassnt Benjamin the CSA's VP, SecState, and SecWar all at one time or another?
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There were some honorable men who fought in the confederacy.

As for fighting for "states rights" is concerned... The confederacy built a top-heavy, economy-destroying central-government...

That was horribly managed, and horribly led... And spread resources too thin and didn't effectively force Texas to send money and men like the rest of the slave states...
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As for fighting for "states rights" is concerned... The confederacy built a top-heavy, economy-destroying central-government...



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Did the jews do that, too?




 
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You mean there was an Irish brigade in the Union and Confederate armies?

Mind blown!
 


Both sides had Tejano regiments as well. See Jerry Thompson's vaqueros in blue and gray.
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You mean there was an Irish brigade in the Union and Confederate armies?



Mind blown!

 




Both sides had Tejano regiments as well. See Jerry Thompson's vaqueros in blue and gray.
Don't forget about zee Germans.



 
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As for fighting for "states rights" is concerned... The confederacy built a top-heavy, economy-destroying central-government...

That was horribly managed, and horribly led... And spread resources too thin and didn't effectively force Texas to send money and men like the rest of the slave states...
Did the jews do that, too?    


Oy vey, ya'll!
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Don't forget the diamonds!


Don't they come from Antwerp?
5/21/2014 4:46:12 PM EDT
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If you wouldn't mind, when you're done could you post your paper or a PDF link for it?



I read some about him when I was younger but as you've found, there's not a lot of info on him. I'd love to read your thoughts
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Judah P Benjamin - I'm doing a research paper on him ; if anyone has any good information for me that would be great.  everything I've read says he was smart if not the brains of the confederacy . Motives would be interesting to know but he left no manifesto behind and became very mysterious after the war : Discuss

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I would assume his motive was more or less the same anyone else.... fighting/supporting his home
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Interesting.



I like learning new things
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Books.  Its old school but best school.



















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I read some about him when I was younger but as you've found, there's not a lot of info on him. I'd love to read your thoughts
Seriously?

 






4 major biographies.







I doubt skytrooper01 will break new ground.

 
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There were some honorable men who fought in the confederacy.

As for fighting for "states rights" is concerned... The confederacy built a top-heavy, economy-destroying central-government...

That was horribly managed, and horribly led... And spread resources too thin and didn't effectively force Texas to send money and men like the rest of the slave states...
Did the jews do that, too?




 

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I read some about him when I was younger but as you've found, there's not a lot of info on him. I'd love to read your thoughts
Seriously?  



4 major biographies.




I doubt skytrooper01 will break new ground.
 




 
Honestly I didn't know there were any. I tried to study him before the advent of Google and forgot about it until this thread.




Amazon link?
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I read some about him when I was younger but as you've found, there's not a lot of info on him. I'd love to read your thoughts

Seriously?  

4 major biographies.

I doubt skytrooper01 will break new ground.
 
  Honestly I didn't know there were any. I tried to study him before the advent of Google and forgot about it until this thread.

Amazon link?

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He was the one confederate smart enough to be embarrassed about what he did?

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I read some about him when I was younger but as you've found, there's not a lot of info on him. I'd love to read your thoughts


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4 major biographies.



I doubt skytrooper01 will break new ground.

 

  Honestly I didn't know there were any. I tried to study him before the advent of Google and forgot about it until this thread.



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Anyone read any of these? Don't recognize the authors.
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As for fighting for "states rights" is concerned... The confederacy built a top-heavy, economy-destroying central-government...

That was horribly managed, and horribly led... And spread resources too thin and didn't effectively force Texas to send money and men like the rest of the slave states...
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Can we not make this another civil war butt hurt thread?
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There were some honorable men who fought in the confederacy.



As for fighting for "states rights" is concerned... The confederacy built a top-heavy, economy-destroying central-government...



That was horribly managed, and horribly led... And spread resources too thin and didn't effectively force Texas to send money and men like the rest of the slave states...




Can we not make this another civil war butt hurt thread?
I was hoping for a jewish conspiracy/states rights hybrid thread.



It's like cross pollenation.  Assuming the above, I was going to go for a trifecta and work would a Jewish Slave Owning confederate carry 9 or 45?



 
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As for fighting for "states rights" is concerned... The confederacy built a top-heavy, economy-destroying central-government...

That was horribly managed, and horribly led... And spread resources too thin and didn't effectively force Texas to send money and men like the rest of the slave states...


Can we not make this another civil war butt hurt thread?
I was hoping for a jewish conspiracy/states rights hybrid thread.

It's like cross pollenation.  Assuming the above, I was going to go for a trifecta and work would a Jewish Slave Owning confederate carry 9 or 45?
 


.44 cal Colt's Navy.
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.36 versus .44?
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.36 versus .44?
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Semetic, semantic... same thing.
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Sounds like he wasn't that mysterious--he decamped to England and was a famous barrister specializing in commercial law for 20 years.
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I wonder what kind of spread a Jewish Confederate leader would put out.


Brisket to be sure but what else
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I remember that @ 5,000 Jews died on the Confederate side.
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This guy is extremely confused about this whole thread....


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Fried potato cakes
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Latkes. Come on dude
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Yes Sir ; That is the proper term Sir

But Ben probably said Fried Potatoes With Sour Cream Davis!  Sir
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Yes Sir ; That is the proper term Sir



But Ben probably said Fried Potatoes With Sour Cream Davis!  Sir




 
No refrigerators back then. Doubt there was sour cream
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Yes Sir ; That is the proper term Sir

But Ben probably said Fried Potatoes With Sour Cream Davis!  Sir



I'm not sure about sour cream being served with brisket
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  Latkes. Come on dude


Yes Sir ; That is the proper term Sir

But Ben probably said Fried Potatoes With Sour Cream Davis!  Sir



I'm not sure about sour cream being served with brisket


Apple sauce yo.
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