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5/17/2014 4:07:00 AM EDT
Found a use for 'em.



Police nabbed 31-year-old Ali Shaffiat Tuesday afternoon after automatic license plate readers, attached to police cruisers, found the red Mitsubishi Eclipse believed to be involved in the shooting located along the 800 block of Fernon Street in South Philadelphia.

After the automated reader found a match, officials sent detectives to the neighborhood to investigate. They found the car, but the license plate had been removed, police said.

Detectives then searched the area and found Shaffiat inside a home around the corner along the 1600 block of South 7th Street. Police say the man was then arrested and later charged with aggravated assault and reckless endangerment.
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Sounds like a cultural mis-match.
5/17/2014 4:12:39 AM EDT
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America....!
5/17/2014 4:17:55 AM EDT
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What did they do with the data collrcted on all the nonfellon cars?
5/17/2014 4:26:57 AM EDT
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5/17/2014 4:27:36 AM EDT
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Liberty or security?
5/17/2014 4:35:02 AM EDT
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5/17/2014 4:46:20 AM EDT
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It seems we'll have neither!!
5/17/2014 4:50:32 AM EDT
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It seems we'll have neither!!

Looks like it more and more every day.
5/17/2014 4:52:01 AM EDT
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Most of America is happy and giddy to have our government watching over them



 
5/17/2014 5:00:37 AM EDT
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Those LPR's solve a lot of crime. We catch stolen vehicles and identify burglary vehicles often thanks to a few of those systems.

Unfortunately, due to privacy issues, I'm against it. They can be used to track you. There was an article a few weeks ago, NY PD was able to show how the could track a random car for over 2 hours just from the toll pass in the vehicle.

The .gov has infiltrated these systems and have the ability to track you 24 hours a day between your phone and your vehicle.
5/17/2014 5:03:56 AM EDT
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Those LPR's solve a lot of crime. We catch stolen vehicles and identify burglary vehicles often thanks to a few of those systems.

Unfortunately, due to privacy issues, I'm against it. They can be used to track you. There was an article a few weeks ago, NY PD was able to show how the could track a random car for over 2 hours just from the toll pass in the vehicle.

The .gov has infiltrated these systems and have the ability to track you 24 hours a day between your phone and your vehicle.
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And it's not just the government.

A lot of the ALPR data passes through (in other words, stays) in private hands as well.
5/17/2014 5:04:14 AM EDT
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NYPD has a program where they can enter your plate and see everywhere it's been scanned in the city for the previous 30 days.
The company DRN saves the info from their private plate scans indefinitely.
5/17/2014 5:17:10 AM EDT
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5/17/2014 5:22:06 AM EDT
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Those LPR's solve a lot of crime. We catch stolen vehicles and identify burglary vehicles often thanks to a few of those systems.

Unfortunately, due to privacy issues, I'm against it. They can be used to track you. There was an article a few weeks ago, NY PD was able to show how the could track a random car for over 2 hours just from the toll pass in the vehicle.

The .gov has infiltrated these systems and have the ability to track you 24 hours a day between your phone and your vehicle.
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Through your banking, purchases, facial recognition, habits, and other means also.
5/17/2014 5:43:15 AM EDT
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Those LPR's solve a lot of crime. We catch stolen vehicles and identify burglary vehicles often thanks to a few of those systems.



Unfortunately, due to privacy issues, I'm against it. They can be used to track you. There was an article a few weeks ago, NY PD was able to show how the could track a random car for over 2 hours just from the toll pass in the vehicle.



The .gov has infiltrated these systems and have the ability to track you 24 hours a day between your phone and your vehicle.


And it's not just the government.



A lot of the ALPR data passes through (in other words, stays) in private hands as well.




this i mean it is a great tool if it was completely unable to store information, say it was only able to read plates and compare them to the list of bolos w/o saving any of it, maybe have an hour buffer just in case something comes up like a kidnapping it could say that officer X drove by that car 3 miles ago.



although doing anything with out being tracked is damn near impossible now.



 
5/17/2014 5:55:25 AM EDT
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I noticed a few days ago that the new plates in Texas have barcodes.
What purpose does this serve?
5/17/2014 6:17:15 AM EDT
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Individual liberty and individual security go hand in hand.  Why would someone pick one or the other?  Even in the liberal states where you are assuming one must pick, one gets neither.
5/17/2014 6:30:46 AM EDT
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Through your banking, purchases, facial recognition, habits, and other means also.
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Those LPR's solve a lot of crime. We catch stolen vehicles and identify burglary vehicles often thanks to a few of those systems.

Unfortunately, due to privacy issues, I'm against it. They can be used to track you. There was an article a few weeks ago, NY PD was able to show how the could track a random car for over 2 hours just from the toll pass in the vehicle.

The .gov has infiltrated these systems and have the ability to track you 24 hours a day between your phone and your vehicle.



Through your banking, purchases, facial recognition, habits, and other means also.


Gd is gonna flip a lid when they get the facial recognition abilities in a smaller package. Now every cop is a walking lpr and face reader.
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Most of America is happy and giddy to have our government watching over them
 


How different is it from a cop running plates on his own?
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Easier to track when they're made.

5/17/2014 6:33:19 AM EDT
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It's actually sold.

There are commercial companies that gather a list of cars than need repossession. That same company sells the plate readers to tow truck companies charging them for both the hardware and software.

The tow companies are scanning the location of every car, not just the repo ones, and the company gathers the plate's GPS location and then sells that data.

We live in a post privacy world.
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Franklin's statement was not either/or
5/17/2014 6:34:11 AM EDT
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WTF?
5/17/2014 6:37:11 AM EDT
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Virginia wants to put RFID inside their plates.
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5/17/2014 6:40:29 AM EDT
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It's actually sold.
There are commercial companies that gather a list of cars than need repossession. That same company sells the plate readers to tow truck companies charging them for both the hardware and software.
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It's actually sold.
There are commercial companies that gather a list of cars than need repossession. That same company sells the plate readers to tow truck companies charging them for both the hardware and software.

The companies pay the tow companies for every plate scanned. My boss got $.01 per plate from DRN for a total of about $14-15k/month.
5/17/2014 6:43:27 AM EDT
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Leos;

What information pops up when a plate is scanned?
5/17/2014 6:48:25 AM EDT
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Exactly what I thought.
It's not a "normal" barcode like you see on retail items as it dosent have the numerical characters under it but it is some type of barcode nonetheless.
It's very small and down in the right lower corner if I remember correctly.
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Depends on what you have your reader set for. I had mine set to only look for stolen cars and vehicles wanted in connection with felonies. I turned off the option for suspended registrations and scofflaws. The damn thing would off all night if you were driving around Brooklyn with those tuned on.

It doesn't show vehicle/owner info for every plate scanned. It compares the plate # against a list of cars that are entered and updated constantly. The vehicle/owner info only pops up if a plate is a "hit" off the list in the database. Every plate number and the time and location it was scanned are saved though. They can now search to see where the car's been. We didn't have the ability to search that at our level when I was using a plate reader years ago.
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just all the standard info,
name
address
DOB
sexual preference
bank account numbers and balance
# of guns owned
assigned seating position on the fema train.
5/17/2014 7:10:15 AM EDT
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We get stolen cars every night with the LPRs
5/17/2014 7:11:29 AM EDT
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I recovered well over a hundred in the year I had one in my car. Funny thing is most people got pissed off when we found their car.
5/17/2014 7:18:38 AM EDT
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just all the standard info,
name
address
DOB
sexual preference
bank account numbers and balance
# of guns owned
assigned seating position on the fema train.
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Leos;

What information pops up when a plate is scanned?

just all the standard info,
name
address
DOB
sexual preference
bank account numbers and balance
# of guns owned
assigned seating position on the fema train.


With our system nothing pops up unless it's a stolen vehicle or felony vehicle or stolen plate.  It runs in the background and pops up a 3am to scare the crap outta you
5/17/2014 8:03:29 AM EDT
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With our system nothing pops up unless it's a stolen vehicle or felony vehicle or stolen plate.  It runs in the background and pops up a 3am to scare the crap outta you
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Leos;

What information pops up when a plate is scanned?

just all the standard info,
name
address
DOB
sexual preference
bank account numbers and balance
# of guns owned
assigned seating position on the fema train.


With our system nothing pops up unless it's a stolen vehicle or felony vehicle or stolen plate.  It runs in the background and pops up a 3am to scare the crap outta you




How many times does it pop up in eight hours, typically?
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If I didn't set mine to ignore certain things it would go off every minute or so.
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Those LPR's solve a lot of crime. We catch stolen vehicles and identify burglary vehicles often thanks to a few of those systems.



Unfortunately, due to privacy issues, I'm against it. They can be used to track you. There was an article a few weeks ago, NY PD was able to show how the could track a random car for over 2 hours just from the toll pass in the vehicle.



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Wait until they start the database queries for anybody whose plate was scanned in a church parking lot and in a gun store parking lot.


Instant list of those despicable 'Christian gunowners'.


It should really help with the round-ups.



 

5/17/2014 9:03:21 AM EDT
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State police here delete all info after 24 hours unless it's tied directly to an active investigation.  You can also go to the DMV to check the last time and how many times you plate has been ran.
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5/17/2014 9:08:54 AM EDT
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The put them in the "database" of course. For the future.
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The put them in the "database" of course. For the future.
Actually, a couple police departments in the Dallas/Ft Worth area were selling the data they had collected. There were a few news stories about it. They 'said' they'd stop it.....



 
5/17/2014 9:14:18 AM EDT
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Time for someone besides prisons to start printing license plates. Would be tragic if every 2005 red Honda Civic in New York wound up with the same plate. Just a few hundred plates, surreptitiously installed on cars of the same make, model, color, and year would fuck up the database at least temporarily. That would be worth doing just for shits and giggles.
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What information pops up when a plate is scanned?

just all the standard info,
name
address
DOB
sexual preference
bank account numbers and balance
# of guns owned
assigned seating position on the fema train.


With our system nothing pops up unless it's a stolen vehicle or felony vehicle or stolen plate.  It runs in the background and pops up a 3am to scare the crap outta you




How many times does it pop up in eight hours, typically?


Once a night usually.
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I recovered well over a hundred in the year I had one in my car. Funny thing is most people got pissed off when we found their car.
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I recovered well over a hundred in the year I had one in my car. Funny thing is most people got pissed off when we found their car.


Wow that's crazy how many occupied out of the 100?

We catch a lot more auto thieves since the lprs, it has really dropped vehicle thefts from what I've seen, you no longer have crooks cruising around for days in a stolen car.
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Wow that's crazy how many occupied out of the 100?
We catch a lot more auto thieves since the lprs, it has really dropped vehicle thefts from what I've seen, you no longer have crooks cruising around for days in a stolen car.
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I recovered well over a hundred in the year I had one in my car. Funny thing is most people got pissed off when we found their car.

Wow that's crazy how many occupied out of the 100?
We catch a lot more auto thieves since the lprs, it has really dropped vehicle thefts from what I've seen, you no longer have crooks cruising around for days in a stolen car.

Maybe 15 or so occupied.
5/17/2014 9:39:16 AM EDT
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Happens all the time.
5/17/2014 2:34:51 PM EDT
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I never thought I would say this but /k/ is less paranoid than GD.
5/17/2014 2:36:24 PM EDT
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It is available to law enforcement and certain private investigation firms for a fee.
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It's more than just the tow companies that are collecting and aggregating that data.  It's easily available for a price.

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It's actually sold.

There are commercial companies that gather a list of cars than need repossession. That same company sells the plate readers to tow truck companies charging them for both the hardware and software.

The tow companies are scanning the location of every car, not just the repo ones, and the company gathers the plate's GPS location and then sells that data.

We live in a post privacy world.
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It's actually sold.

There are commercial companies that gather a list of cars than need repossession. That same company sells the plate readers to tow truck companies charging them for both the hardware and software.

The tow companies are scanning the location of every car, not just the repo ones, and the company gathers the plate's GPS location and then sells that data.

We live in a post privacy world.

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How do you think any bit of this is paranoia?  It's all proven facts.
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How do you think any bit of this is paranoia?  It's all proven facts.
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How do you think any bit of this is paranoia?  It's all proven facts.

GD acts like a license plate number is a secret.

Plate readers are no more unconstitutional than a cop writing down a plate number in his patrol notes.
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GD acts like a license plate number is a secret.
Plate readers are no more unconstitutional than a cop writing down a plate number in his patrol notes.
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How do you think any bit of this is paranoia?  It's all proven facts.

GD acts like a license plate number is a secret.
Plate readers are no more unconstitutional than a cop writing down a plate number in his patrol notes.

Is the cop creating a database showing date, time, and gps location of my car every time he sees it and then selling that info? Not to mention that the private companies in my area are scanning way more than the cops.
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WTF?
http://www.thebolthole.com/texas/cycle/pics/TXmcHuntMo.jpg
 

just cover it up with a plate holder
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