[ARCHIVED THREAD] - sbr or sbs? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/9/2014 5:00:47 AM EDT
| Im thinking about going the sbs or sbr route. How much of a pain in the ass is it to get your stamp? Are you inviting the man into your world and is it worth it? |
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How much of a pain in the ass is it to get your stamp? It's really easy. If you can fill out your name and address, and write a $200 check, you can get a stamp. Applying as an individual means you need fingerprints, a photo, and a CLEO signoff. Applying with a trust will get around those things, and they're fairly easy to get setup. Quoted:
Are you inviting the man into your world No more than he is right now. Quoted:
is it worth it? Yes. It's worth $200 to legally use a real stock instead of that pistol brace. |
Pretty simple process, but it seems no one can have just one stamp 
Problem is that once you SBR, you realize you lost a lot of velocity, so you build an SPR. Then you realize you have two rifles that need a can. Then you realize that the 10.5" plus can brings you back out to 16" which makes you realize you should build an 8.5" 300 and buy a micro can. |
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This. Fuck the ATF. Don't give them any of your money to buy the "right" to an SBR. Quoted:
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Pistol AR + SB15 brace. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. Fuck the ATF. Don't give them any of your money to buy the "right" to an SBR. 11.5 inch AR-15 with adjustable stock and suppressor > SB15 brace. |
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This. I did it the legitimate way and now I am looking at being turned into a criminal because of an EO. Do everything you can within legal limits to avoid getting a stamp. Quoted:
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Pistol AR + SB15 brace. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile What EO is turning you into a criminal? All I know about is 41p. |
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Not that hard at this time, but that is changing so do it now. Very worth it. Only con is that the stamps suddenly seem to multiply. TEX, is right, started with 3 cans and no need for anymore  well I am now waiting on "approval" for 2 more cans.
WA just approve SBR's and it goes into effect June 11th. I will be doing 3 SBR's before the ATF change the rules. 
Not a hard process, get a trust, hand over money, wait, wait and wait some more. Then happiness 
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| Built my SBR and love it. Shot it a couple times and realized it was loud as hell so now I have a suppressor for it. Sucked waiting for the stamp for the SBR since I had all the parts since I made myself via a form 1. The suppressor wasn't so bad since I was on a short tour while it was processed. |
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What rule change is the ATF making to SBRs? 41p Eta the rule change is for trusts |
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That has absolutely nothing to do with SBRs. 41P revolves around obtaining LE signatures for trust users. OP - Do the Sig brace first. If you decide to go SBR, then do all the paperwork. You can also work any bugs out while waiting for your stamp. |
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Well even though ny doesn't allow SBRs...fuck the atf.
Sig brace is awesome. Cheaper and you don't have to register. You guys rail on NYers for giving in to the gov...and now that there is an almost perfect route around the ATF and NFA...take it! Plus you don't have to ask permission to take your gun out of state...and you don't have to serialize anything...and all the other BS restrictions. Granted I know little of the process...but still. Fuck the atf. |
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I still did it just because my CLEO will not sign off on anything Quoted:
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What rule change is the ATF making to SBRs? So is there really any point to go the trust route after that? I still did it just because my CLEO will not sign off on anything Mine will, I just prefer to not have to go through that if I don't have to. |
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That has absolutely nothing to do with SBRs. 41P revolves around obtaining LE signatures for trust users. OP - Do the Sig brace first. If you decide to go SBR, then do all the paperwork. You can also work any bugs out while waiting for your stamp. Quoted:
That has absolutely nothing to do with SBRs. 41P revolves around obtaining LE signatures for trust users. OP - Do the Sig brace first. If you decide to go SBR, then do all the paperwork. You can also work any bugs out while waiting for your stamp. Your right I edited my post,but that is the only rule change I'm aware of |
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Quoted: So is there really any point to go the trust route after that? Quoted: Quoted: What rule change is the ATF making to SBRs? So is there really any point to go the trust route after that? Plenty, not the least of which are succession planning and lawful access issues... but laws and rules vary by state, so YMMV greatly. And 41P isn't a done deal yet, take nothing for granted. But I do expect them to implement it so, even though my CLEO has no problem signing off and it will just be an inconvenience for me, I have made more NFA purchases/transfers in the last year than all years prior combined.  Yes, OP, I think it is worth it (YMMV here as well) and, as others have said, I wouldn't drag my feet if I were you. |
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Of course... plus a suppressor (or three), maybe an AOW or DD, and even a MG if you can swing it.
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Mine will, I just prefer to not have to go through that if I don't have to. Quoted:
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What rule change is the ATF making to SBRs? So is there really any point to go the trust route after that? I still did it just because my CLEO will not sign off on anything Mine will, I just prefer to not have to go through that if I don't have to. It is a PITA to do it as a individual but at least you have that if need be |
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Pretty simple process, but it seems no one can have just one stamp
Problem is that once you SBR, you realize you lost a lot of velocity, so you build an SPR. Then you realize you have two rifles that need a can. Then you realize that the 10.5" plus can brings you back out to 16" which makes you realize you should build an 8.5" 300 and buy a micro can. This is a true statement.
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What is the wait time on a stamp now?? Are the wait times for sbr, sbs, aow, and suppresors all the same typically? Thanks in advance. Depends on the sample group you want to use but generally speaking - efiled forms are around 5-6 months. Paper filed forms are around 9-12 months. |
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Quoted: What is the wait time on a stamp now?? Are the wait times for sbr, sbs, aow, and suppresors all the same typically? Thanks in advance. From http://www.nfatracker.com/  |
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Quoted: Depends on the sample group you want to use but generally speaking - efiled forms are around 5-6 months. Paper filed forms are around 9-12 months. Quoted: Quoted: What is the wait time on a stamp now?? Are the wait times for sbr, sbs, aow, and suppresors all the same typically? Thanks in advance. Depends on the sample group you want to use but generally speaking - efiled forms are around 5-6 months. Paper filed forms are around 9-12 months. They both seem to be heading for a middle ground somewhere to me -- my last couple of eForms were longer than 6 months, and my last couple of paper forms were right at 8 months (all very recent approvals). ETA: That chart above (posted while I was typing, I'm slow) shows the convergence I'm talking about pretty well. |
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What is the wait time on a stamp now?? Are the wait times for sbr, sbs, aow, and suppresors all the same typically? Thanks in advance. Wait times for form 3&4 I don't know about SBR/SBS I haven't got mine back |
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sig brace has pretty much made SBR AR-15's obsolete.
IMHO, you get everything you get with a SBR, without all the trouble. Remember, it's not just the stamp, the wait, or the $200. It's also the regulations that come along with having NFA shit. I'm not interested in NFA stuff because of the loss of privacy associated. The ATF can go fuck themselves. Not participating. |
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This. I did it the legitimate way and now I am looking at being turned into a criminal because of an EO. Do everything you can within legal limits to avoid getting a stamp. Quoted:
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Pistol AR + SB15 brace. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile guys said the same thing in before 1986 about machine guns. some have some expensive guns now |
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What is the wait time on a stamp now?? Are the wait times for sbr, sbs, aow, and suppresors all the same typically? Thanks in advance. From http://www.nfatracker.com/ http://www.nfatracker.com/ChartImg.axd?i=chart_873c7ce1f5d044fbbaab962a8fa25540_0.png&g=e7d352f0663047b6a1717c673f222e73 I bet those dudes in February were stoked. |
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What is the wait time on a stamp now?? Are the wait times for sbr, sbs, aow, and suppresors all the same typically? Thanks in advance. From http://www.nfatracker.com/ http://www.nfatracker.com/ChartImg.axd?i=chart_873c7ce1f5d044fbbaab962a8fa25540_0.png&g=e7d352f0663047b6a1717c673f222e73 Red = efiles? |
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Ok, you tell me what you can do with a SBR that I can't with a sigbrace pistol? Quoted:
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sig brace has pretty much made SBR AR-15's obsolete.  Ok, you tell me what you can do with a SBR that I can't with a sigbrace pistol? Have a decent and adjustable stock. One that doesn't move around on you and is actually comfortable. |
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sig brace has pretty much made SBR AR-15's obsolete. Ok, you tell me what you can do with a SBR that I can't with a sigbrace pistol? Have a decent and adjustable stock. One that doesn't move around on you and is actually comfortable. Ok.....anything else? I don't care about comfort. I care about useful. IMHO, you gain more with the brace than you do with the SBR. It's mainly due to the legal distinction between the two......with the sig brace ownership, transportation, and cost all all improved. With the SBR, you get onerous regulations, less acceptance across state lines, less privacy, and you pay more. The ability to have a more comfortable stock is not worth it to me when I can have the same effective weapon and eschew the stupid NFA and the BAFTE. |