Posted: 5/2/2014 4:49:31 PM EDT
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I worked the set of this movie several times, I wish I could have asked them then.
So, I'm guessing that the humans in this time frame, didn't know that the machines were self aware? Because they test the control signal only once and assume that it will work on every machine, right? Good movie though. 
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I worked the set of this movie several times, I wish I could have asked them then. So, I'm guessing that the humans in this time frame, didn't know that the machines were self aware? Because they test the control signal only once and assume that it will work on every machine, right? Good movie though. They had to know the machines were running themselves. Would extra testing have possibly let the secret out? |
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Salvation fucking rocked until the first helicopter crash. Quoted:
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The way I see it, Skynet was self aware. The machines were essentially drones. The T-800 introduced at the end of Salvation was made to operate off network, and could learn from human contact as seen in the previous movies. But were the T-800's able to download their new information to the network, so the drones could then use that information? |
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Skynet knows all and outfoxed John Conners in Salvation. I thought salvation and 1984 Terminator were the best ones. http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b2/TERMSE_SIDEA-1.1.jpg/600px-TERMSE_SIDEA-1.1.jpg I agree The others were just horrible. |
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I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Quoted:
I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? Quoted:
They knew it was self aware. Then why would they have a control signal if they were operating under orders in a sentient manner, not direct remote control? Doesn't make sense to me. |
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Quoted: Why? But were the T-800's able to download their new information to the network, so the drones could then use that information? Quoted: Quoted: Salvation fucking rocked until the first helicopter crash. Why? Quoted: The way I see it, Skynet was self aware. The machines were essentially drones. The T-800 introduced at the end of Salvation was made to operate off network, and could learn from human contact as seen in the previous movies. But were the T-800's able to download their new information to the network, so the drones could then use that information?  I would say yes, the main character was uploaded to Skynet when he got inside and was repaired. I assume the T-800 based on that prototype would have that capability. |
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The way I see it, Skynet was self aware. The machines were essentially drones. The T-800 introduced at the end of Salvation was made to operate off network, and could learn from human contact as seen in the previous movies. From everything I've read it was hinted that Skynet liked to keep the terminators locked down, run them in drone mode. Remember the deleted scenes from T2 when Arnie asked John to remove and flip some switches on his chip? That was supposed to allow it to learn and think for itself, and not just remain an Obamaton er I mean "drone."
My guess is lots of Cyberdyne products were prone to the same malfunction as Skynet, interesting that Skynet didn't want terminators becoming self aware. IIRC this was hinted at in the SCC which aired on Fox, liquid metal lady was probably the leader or at least a higher up in a band of non Skynet terminators. Really sad that the show was axed before that particular story line could be developed and explored more thoroughly. I wonder how many that Skynet had to put down before locking the system, software, and or network down? |
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I also would like to know about this original script. What was the difference? Quoted:
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I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? I also would like to know about this original script. What was the difference? Was the same. Just Kate switched from patching up animals to Humans 
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I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? I also would like to know about this original script. What was the difference? Was the same. Just Kate switched from patching up animals to Humans 
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I agree The others were just horrible. Quoted:
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Skynet knows all and outfoxed John Conners in Salvation. I thought salvation and 1984 Terminator were the best ones. http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/b/b2/TERMSE_SIDEA-1.1.jpg/600px-TERMSE_SIDEA-1.1.jpg I agree The others were just horrible. I like 1,2 and 3, hate the other one. |
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Quoted: I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Quoted: I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. If so I agree. If not, then I disagree. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? I also would like to know about this original script. What was the difference?  That's the end of it in my book. The shitty third film never happened. The fourth film never happened. The t.v. series never happened.  |
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Which was? Then why would they have a control signal if they were operating under orders in a sentient manner, not direct remote control? Doesn't make sense to me. Quoted:
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I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? Quoted:
They knew it was self aware. Then why would they have a control signal if they were operating under orders in a sentient manner, not direct remote control? Doesn't make sense to me. My understanding is that they didn't. Blocking the "control signal" was a ruse to find & kill the leadership on the sub. ETA - Did some reading. Seems that from the first generation terminators & hunter killers on they could be set to either "controlled" or "autonomous." |
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and ended it at two, the way it was intended before they got dollar signs in their eyes? If so I agree. If not, then I disagree.  http://youtu.be/-EarXngYYlw
That's the end of it in my book. The shitty third film never happened. The fourth film never happened. The t.v. series never happened.
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I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? I also would like to know about this original script. What was the difference? http://youtu.be/-EarXngYYlw
That's the end of it in my book. The shitty third film never happened. The fourth film never happened. The t.v. series never happened.
I knew about this ending, I guess I misunderstood. I thought we were talking about an alternate ending for Salvation. Ooops. |
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I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? I also would like to know about this original script. What was the difference? The original salvation script had John Connor dying and the Marcus terminator taking his place and assuming his identity and leading the rebellion against skynet. Hence the title terminator salvation |
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I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? I also would like to know about this original script. What was the difference? Kharn |
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I went and saw it in the theatre and was severely disappointed. And my understanding they tested the signal twice...once on those water robots they captured and then again on the aerial hk out in the open. Oh ya, I forgot about the eel bot, but one aerial HK hardly seems like significant field testing. It just seems that they should have known it was to good to be true. |
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At the end, Christian Bale's character was to die, and his staff in the silo with the friendly terminator would agree to tell everyone the terminator was John Connor since very few people ever met him and the terminator had extensive facial scaring. Bale demanded his character live so he'd be involved in any sequel, so they rewrote the script and it sucked. Kharn Quoted:
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I think it would have been better if they'd gone with the original script. Which was? I also would like to know about this original script. What was the difference? Kharn Yeah that would have been better |
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I just finished watching Salvation again tonight and thought it just might be the best of the series, but it would have been better had Connor died and the human/terminator taken over for him in the fight...
Though there is something special about the first movie.... |
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I just finished watching Salvation again tonight and thought it just might be the best of the series, but it would have been better had Connor died and the human/terminator taken over for him in the fight... Though there is something special about the first movie.... Ya, good movie. Though I don't like the idea of Connor dying. Humanity has to win the war, our humanity is what separates us from the Machines. Our capacity to endure, to overcome and fight adversity. This is the key to why we would win. |
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I liked the Marcus dying for John ending as it brought the "Salvation" for marcus into it but couldnt get over the idea of an animal vet performing a heart transplant in a field hospital.
I never knew about the original script and gotta say I like that storyline/ending a lot better. damn, |
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The original salvation script had John Connor dying and the Marcus terminator taking his place and assuming his identity and leading the rebellion against skynet. Hence the title terminator salvation Quoted:
The original salvation script had John Connor dying and the Marcus terminator taking his place and assuming his identity and leading the rebellion against skynet. Hence the title terminator salvation Quoted:
At the end, Christian Bale's character was to die, and his staff in the silo with the friendly terminator would agree to tell everyone the terminator was John Connor since very few people ever met him and the terminator had extensive facial scaring. Bale demanded his character live so he'd be involved in any sequel, so they rewrote the script and it sucked. Kharn Thanks guys! I honestly never knew about any of this; and I agree, it would have made it a much more worthwhile ending. Thanks for nothing, Bale. |
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I just finished watching Salvation again tonight and thought it just might be the best of the series, but it would have been better had Connor died and the human/terminator taken over for him in the fight... Though there is something special about the first movie.... If he died then the loop from 3 would've been broken. Arnold kills Connor in the future then sent back to protect. It would've really changed the ending in salvation to get that to work. |