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5/1/2014 7:55:44 PM EDT
Local shop, good guys, etc..
apparently SHTF after an MSNBC interview about the armatix smart pistol.

then.. a hell of a rant on the FB page from Andy.  hey guys.. how bout not threatening someones life over the smart pistol.  thatd be grand.
 
5/2/2014 8:27:18 AM EDT
[#1]
I agree, no one has the right to threaten him.  He has the right to sell whatever he wants in his store, capitalism can sort it out.  He has the right to reply to all those threats..... But the "bear with me I've been drinking" in a gun store makes us all look bad.  I would assume some of those threats were from anti's trying to elicit such a response, and it worked
5/2/2014 8:32:37 AM EDT
[#2]
While he has the right to do it, actually doing it is a damned fool move considering the laws in NJ and CA regarding smart gun tech.  So yes, I can see why folks are upset.

Or put it another way... I hold an 07 FFL.  Would it be a smart or stupid idea for me to manufacture and sell a handgun in .30-06 given the federal laws about armor-piercing handgun ammunition?
5/2/2014 8:38:50 AM EDT
[#3]
Valid point.  After reading about it, I don't know if I could, in good conscious, sell a gun with a 10% malfunction rate.  That's one round a magazine!
5/2/2014 8:47:48 AM EDT
[#4]
Yeah, but a lot of us remember engage shenanigans from the past as well. Such as Andy's famous " SB281 is going to put me out of business, so I need to make as much money as I can". This is just the final nail in the coffin for many. Now threatening him is rediculous and those people should be ashamed though. " I may not agree with what you say, but would fight to the death to defend your right to say it"
5/2/2014 9:20:48 AM EDT
[#5]
This guy?:




Hey Guys,



Its me Andy. Ive been drinking so bear with me. I
didnt do this for any money. Ive never been compensated by Armatix. I
havent even cashed any of my draws in 3 months so this business can
survive. Not your problem though. I didnt
do this for the money. Anyone who says so can go fuck themselves. I
havent any money. I live in some shit condo in Silver Spring.




You call me and email me and threaten my life? You come at me, my
girlfriend, or my god damned DOG I will put one in your dome. I promise
you.



Maybe I got mislead about this. Its still my
responsibility. Maybe I was fed some not-so-true info. It was still my
responsibility. I stood, I tried to stand on the ideal that we could get
some fence sitters and anti gunners into our fold. Maybe Im either too
young or too old to realize thats not sturdy enough.



I never sold the gun. I dont stock the fucking gun. Ive never even been paid by Armatix.




If it saves my business partner Carlos or my employees their job I will
quit. It wasnt their decision. It was mine to agree to the interviews.
They shouldnt pay for something I did. Thats that.



You want my
head come and take it. Dont dare hurt anyone associated with me or my
dog. I will take everything you took for me in kind. That I promise you.
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Eric  


5/2/2014 9:27:46 AM EDT
[#6]
I have always said, if the SS and LEO's use it I will give it a try.
Otherwise GFY.
5/2/2014 9:35:35 AM EDT
[#7]
IS there a link to a story or something for we who have no clue what you are talking about?

ETA:
This?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwC3QzAKuo
5/2/2014 9:38:30 AM EDT
[#8]
can we get a little back story?

I saw some apology shit on his FB last night but was driving and couldn't really read WTH happened.
ETA: Someone care to type it out for those that can't view YT at work?
5/2/2014 9:39:26 AM EDT
[#9]
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This dude is going to sell that shitty .22 Smart pistol.

Which triggers the NJ (and the CA?) law that says every pistol in NJ must be a smart pistol in 3 years.

So he fucks NJ gun owners over (he's blaming the NJ government, of course) but he gets his dick sucked by MSNBC and the Washington Post/Express (where I saw it) and I guess that's what he wants.


Fuck him. "Good guy" my ass. Hope he loses his shirt.

ETA2: Now he's crying like a bitch over the negative response he got, which an idiot could've expected. Boo-hoo. Giving more ammo to stupid places like DailyKos. Fuck him again.

ETA: Stupid gun stores letting the MSM fuck them in the ass is why I haven't set foot in SSG Tactical since they thought it was a good idea to invite CNN along.
5/2/2014 9:41:30 AM EDT
[#10]
Nobody had any sympathy for Pandora either, least of all me.

"But I didn't know what was in the box!"  Nobody cares, bitch.
5/2/2014 9:45:07 AM EDT
[#11]
http://www.wtop.com/52/3614932/Montgomery-Co-store-drops-plans-to-offer-smart-guns

"I thought that we could get anti-gun people or people who are fence-sitters actually into guns, that was my intention," Raymond said in the video on his Facebook page.
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Look at how stupid this statement is.

Look at it.

Hey, dipshit, they want to ban all guns you fucking infant.

ETA: I like his dumbass "how can we ban guns we don't like?!" statement. When they trigger gun bans for another people.

5/2/2014 9:52:00 AM EDT
[#12]
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This dude is going to sell that shitty .22 Smart pistol.

Which triggers the NJ (and the CA?) law that says every pistol in NJ must be a smart pistol in 3 years.

So he fucks NJ gun owners over (he's blaming the NJ government, of course) but he gets his dick sucked by MSNBC and the Washington Post/Express (where I saw it) and I guess that's what he wants.


Fuck him. "Good guy" my ass. Hope he loses his shirt.

ETA2: Now he's crying like a bitch over the negative response he got, which an idiot could've expected. Boo-hoo. Giving more ammo to stupid places like DailyKos. Fuck him again.

ETA: Stupid gun stores letting the MSM fuck them in the ass is why I haven't set foot in SSG Tactical since they thought it was a good idea to invite CNN along.
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IS there a link to a story or something for we who have no clue what you are talking about?


This dude is going to sell that shitty .22 Smart pistol.

Which triggers the NJ (and the CA?) law that says every pistol in NJ must be a smart pistol in 3 years.

So he fucks NJ gun owners over (he's blaming the NJ government, of course) but he gets his dick sucked by MSNBC and the Washington Post/Express (where I saw it) and I guess that's what he wants.


Fuck him. "Good guy" my ass. Hope he loses his shirt.

ETA2: Now he's crying like a bitch over the negative response he got, which an idiot could've expected. Boo-hoo. Giving more ammo to stupid places like DailyKos. Fuck him again.

ETA: Stupid gun stores letting the MSM fuck them in the ass is why I haven't set foot in SSG Tactical since they thought it was a good idea to invite CNN along.


Thery're a few miles from me, what happened exactly?



5/2/2014 9:58:06 AM EDT
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Thery're a few miles from me, what happened exactly?

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IS there a link to a story or something for we who have no clue what you are talking about?


This dude is going to sell that shitty .22 Smart pistol.

Which triggers the NJ (and the CA?) law that says every pistol in NJ must be a smart pistol in 3 years.

So he fucks NJ gun owners over (he's blaming the NJ government, of course) but he gets his dick sucked by MSNBC and the Washington Post/Express (where I saw it) and I guess that's what he wants.


Fuck him. "Good guy" my ass. Hope he loses his shirt.

ETA2: Now he's crying like a bitch over the negative response he got, which an idiot could've expected. Boo-hoo. Giving more ammo to stupid places like DailyKos. Fuck him again.

ETA: Stupid gun stores letting the MSM fuck them in the ass is why I haven't set foot in SSG Tactical since they thought it was a good idea to invite CNN along.


Thery're a few miles from me, what happened exactly?



They invited Morgan Spurlock and CNN to come to the shop and the show. Spurlock worked behind the counter.

Naturally it became an Anti-NRA, pro-AWB/magban/etc. hit piece which anybody over the age of 4 with a functioning brain could've expected.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1502984_Inside_Guns_on_CNN___Anyone_Watching_.html

Oh, and SSG's owner said he supported universal background checks. I now either use the guy's in downtown Fredericksburg or drive up to VA Arms or QT.
5/2/2014 10:25:35 AM EDT
[#14]
interesting
5/2/2014 10:28:37 AM EDT
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This dude is going to sell that shitty .22 Smart pistol.

Which triggers the NJ (and the CA?) law that says every pistol in NJ must be a smart pistol in 3 years.


So he fucks NJ gun owners over (he's blaming the NJ government, of course) but he gets his dick sucked by MSNBC and the Washington Post/Express (where I saw it) and I guess that's what he wants.


Fuck him. "Good guy" my ass. Hope he loses his shirt.

ETA2: Now he's crying like a bitch over the negative response he got, which an idiot could've expected. Boo-hoo. Giving more ammo to stupid places like DailyKos. Fuck him again.

ETA: Stupid gun stores letting the MSM fuck them in the ass is why I haven't set foot in SSG Tactical since they thought it was a good idea to invite CNN along.
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IS there a link to a story or something for we who have no clue what you are talking about?


This dude is going to sell that shitty .22 Smart pistol.

Which triggers the NJ (and the CA?) law that says every pistol in NJ must be a smart pistol in 3 years.


So he fucks NJ gun owners over (he's blaming the NJ government, of course) but he gets his dick sucked by MSNBC and the Washington Post/Express (where I saw it) and I guess that's what he wants.


Fuck him. "Good guy" my ass. Hope he loses his shirt.

ETA2: Now he's crying like a bitch over the negative response he got, which an idiot could've expected. Boo-hoo. Giving more ammo to stupid places like DailyKos. Fuck him again.

ETA: Stupid gun stores letting the MSM fuck them in the ass is why I haven't set foot in SSG Tactical since they thought it was a good idea to invite CNN along.


Heh? Fuck it, good, trigger that stupid shit right fucking now, no other manufacturers or comply, and take it to the USSC ASAP.
5/2/2014 10:50:37 AM EDT
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While he has the right to do it, actually doing it is a damned fool move considering the laws in NJ and CA regarding smart gun tech.  So yes, I can see why folks are upset.

Or put it another way... I hold an 07 FFL.  Would it be a smart or stupid idea for me to manufacture and sell a handgun in .30-06 given the federal laws about armor-piercing handgun ammunition?
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How does NJ and CA become effected by this?
5/2/2014 10:56:40 AM EDT
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How does NJ and CA become effected by this?
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While he has the right to do it, actually doing it is a damned fool move considering the laws in NJ and CA regarding smart gun tech.  So yes, I can see why folks are upset.

Or put it another way... I hold an 07 FFL.  Would it be a smart or stupid idea for me to manufacture and sell a handgun in .30-06 given the federal laws about armor-piercing handgun ammunition?

How does NJ and CA become effected by this?

Article about NJ - http://www.northjersey.com/news/nj-state-news/nj-s-2002-smart-gun-law-could-take-effect-soon-limit-supply-1.576177