[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Range nazi? (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 4/27/2014 9:45:12 AM EDT
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| Although it sounds like they need to clarify their rules, the guy didn't sound too assholeish. He stated that it is too hot. That, to me, seems like he is concerned about backstop suitability. Yes, it is a handgun, but it is quite a bit different ballisticly from conventional handguns. The rifle range backstop is probably better suited for your handgun. |
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Although it sounds like they need to clarify their rules, the guy didn't sound too assholeish. He stated that it is too hot. That, to me, seems like he is concerned about backstop suitability. Yes, it is a handgun, but it is quite a bit different ballisticly from conventional handguns. The rifle range backstop is probably better suited for your handgun. I've spent the last 5 minutes trying to figure out how to articulate this 
I agree Legally, yes it's a pistol. Ballistics wise, based on what they may have designed the range around, I can understand why he said something. |
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AR dude needs to pound sand. A "pistol" range is for handguns - been that way forever. Besides the ballistics there is the blast. If the range rules specify handguns on handgun ranges it can be for the backstop/berm and for the noise. Not everyone bringing their wife or kids to the range to shoot .22 or 9mm wants to be next to the guy with a 10" 5.56 "handgun". |
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Although it sounds like they need to clarify their rules, the guy didn't sound too assholeish. He stated that it is too hot. That, to me, seems like he is concerned about backstop suitability. Yes, it is a handgun, but it is quite a bit different ballisticly from conventional handguns. The rifle range backstop is probably better suited for your handgun. Yep. |
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AR dude needs to pound sand. A "pistol" range is for handguns - been that way forever. Meh, not all ranges have the same rules. At my local range they allow rifles on the pistol range. A few weeks ago I saw a kid shooting at a target ~10 yards out with a 16" AR from bench rest. 
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Yeah. Pistol or not. It shoots rifle cartridges. Take it to the rifle range. I don't see the range officer as being an asshole in this situation. The shooter is just being a nancy. It is also a safety issue when a range controls the caliber of ammo on a range. I have to agree with the range officer. The shooter in OP video is an ASSHAT for not understanding safety first. Would the shooter use it in an indoor shooting range? Yes he would be that stupid. 
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I've never been to a shooting facility (other than wilderness) where the staff didn't examine my weapons and ammo before allowing me on the range. If the AR pistol didn't fit the requirements for the pistol range, they should have told the shooter before allowing him to shoot it there. |
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Quoted: It is also a safety issue when a range controls the caliber of ammo on a range. I have to agree with the range officer. The shooter in OP video is an ASSHAT for not understanding safety first. Would the shooter use it in an indoor shooting range? Yes he would be that stupid. Quoted: Quoted: Yeah. Pistol or not. It shoots rifle cartridges. Take it to the rifle range. I don't see the range officer as being an asshole in this situation. The shooter is just being a nancy. It is also a safety issue when a range controls the caliber of ammo on a range. I have to agree with the range officer. The shooter in OP video is an ASSHAT for not understanding safety first. Would the shooter use it in an indoor shooting range? Yes he would be that stupid. |
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I've never been to a shooting facility (other than wilderness) where the staff didn't examine my weapons and ammo before allowing me on the range. If the AR pistol didn't fit the requirements for the pistol range, they should have told the shooter before allowing him to shoot it there. I've never been to a range where my stuff was examined. |
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Yeah. Pistol or not. It shoots rifle cartridges. Take it to the rifle range. I loled cause I can hear some guy at the ATF wearing his ass like a hat typing up a response about how anything it shoots is automatically a pistol cartridge because its a pistol, and even though rifles can shoot pistol ammo without making them into rifle rounds exactly the opposite is true for handguns... FBATF |
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There are plenty of indoor ranges you can use both rifle and pistol, with the exception on no 50 bmg or arming piercing rds Quoted:
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Yeah. Pistol or not. It shoots rifle cartridges. Take it to the rifle range. I don't see the range officer as being an asshole in this situation. The shooter is just being a nancy. It is also a safety issue when a range controls the caliber of ammo on a range. I have to agree with the range officer. The shooter in OP video is an ASSHAT for not understanding safety first. Would the shooter use it in an indoor shooting range? Yes he would be that stupid. Not around here. 
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idk, rifle cartridge, their rules, yada yada, that's all fine and good but the comment about antifreeze would have immediately rubbed me wrong. RO sounded like a smartass prick, jmho ehh, i thought it got his point across pretty well. just because the ATF says something is a certain way, has no effect on what it actually is in reality. "legally" and practically are to very different things. "well you know legally its a handgun" is just as abrasive of a response as the range officers...and less relevant. |
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I've never been to a shooting facility (other than wilderness) where the staff didn't examine my weapons and ammo before allowing me on the range. If the AR pistol didn't fit the requirements for the pistol range, they should have told the shooter before allowing him to shoot it there. I was about to go all but then I saw your state of residence.
my condolences.
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| I'm just going to say that the guy in the video shooting the pistol is a complete renob. That whole incident was a total non-issue. I have to do stuff that I don't technically agree with but I do it. And yet this spaghetti-armed nerd thinks it's worth posting a video and crying about. Call your mom and cry about it maybe, she might care. Get a life. |
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I've never been to a range where my stuff was examined. Quoted:
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I've never been to a shooting facility (other than wilderness) where the staff didn't examine my weapons and ammo before allowing me on the range. If the AR pistol didn't fit the requirements for the pistol range, they should have told the shooter before allowing him to shoot it there. I've never been to a range where my stuff was examined. He lives in California. 
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Quoted: I was about to go all but then I saw your state of residence.my condolences. Quoted: Quoted: I've never been to a shooting facility (other than wilderness) where the staff didn't examine my weapons and ammo before allowing me on the range. If the AR pistol didn't fit the requirements for the pistol range, they should have told the shooter before allowing him to shoot it there. I was about to go all but then I saw your state of residence.my condolences. Quoted: ...He lives in California. The state doesn't run shooting ranges. The policy has to do with fire hazards and potential damage to equipment. I'm sure South Dakota has plenty of wild open spaces where there isn't much to burn, and I've seen how it rains in Florida. I understand the ignorance about my state. Ranges always check ammo here (usually with a magnet) to make sure nobody is shooting steel cored or steel jacketed ammo. We have big problems with wildfires that are too often set off by people shooting stupidly. Indoor places also want to make sure there is no steel going downrange, and that nobody shoots anything bigger than their bullet traps are rated to handle. If a range's policy doesn't allow .223/5.56 on the pistol range, that policy should be clearly posted somewhere. The guy should not have been unaware of the policy, if that really was the policy. |
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The state doesn't run shooting ranges. The policy has to do with fire hazards and potential damage to equipment. I'm sure South Dakota has plenty of wild open spaces where there isn't much to burn, and I've seen how it rains in Florida. Ranges always check ammo here to make sure nobody is shooting steel cored or steel jacketed ammo. We have big problems with wildfires that are too often set off by people shooting stupidly. Indoor places also want to make sure there is no steel going downrange, and that nobody shoots anything bigger than their bullet traps are rated to handle. Quoted:
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I've never been to a shooting facility (other than wilderness) where the staff didn't examine my weapons and ammo before allowing me on the range. If the AR pistol didn't fit the requirements for the pistol range, they should have told the shooter before allowing him to shoot it there. I was about to go all but then I saw your state of residence.
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...He lives in California. The state doesn't run shooting ranges. The policy has to do with fire hazards and potential damage to equipment. I'm sure South Dakota has plenty of wild open spaces where there isn't much to burn, and I've seen how it rains in Florida. Ranges always check ammo here to make sure nobody is shooting steel cored or steel jacketed ammo. We have big problems with wildfires that are too often set off by people shooting stupidly. Indoor places also want to make sure there is no steel going downrange, and that nobody shoots anything bigger than their bullet traps are rated to handle. Why do they need to examine your weapons before yo u are allowed to shoot? That nonsense doesn't fly here; it's a matter of mindset. |
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Quoted: ...Why do they need to examine your weapons before yo u are allowed to shoot? That nonsense doesn't fly here; it's a matter of mindset. If I owned a range I would want to make sure that somebody I don't know personally isn't bringing something dangerous to shoot on my range. You get all kinds of people going to ranges in and near heavily populated areas, including dumbshits who bring the wrong kind of ammo for their weapons. |
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Quoted: Not a Nazi. RSO was just direct (and right). He gave you snark about potable water but that was only after you tried to one-up him about it being a pistol. Yes legally it's a pistol but ballistically you were putting rifle rounds down a pistol range. |
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Quoted: Not around here. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Yeah. Pistol or not. It shoots rifle cartridges. Take it to the rifle range. I don't see the range officer as being an asshole in this situation. The shooter is just being a nancy. It is also a safety issue when a range controls the caliber of ammo on a range. I have to agree with the range officer. The shooter in OP video is an ASSHAT for not understanding safety first. Would the shooter use it in an indoor shooting range? Yes he would be that stupid. Not around here. |
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I was about to go all but then I saw your state of residence.
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I've never been to a shooting facility (other than wilderness) where the staff didn't examine my weapons and ammo before allowing me on the range. If the AR pistol didn't fit the requirements for the pistol range, they should have told the shooter before allowing him to shoot it there. I was about to go all but then I saw your state of residence.
my condolences. Same way in Ohio Range nearby banned all non-fragmentary rifle rounds because some asshat came in trying to zero his red-dot and somehow managed to shoot the fucking ceiling. $8k in damage the first 2 weeks they were open
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Thats not me, it's a video I happened to see on you tube Quoted:
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Not a Nazi. RSO was just direct (and right). He gave you snark about potable water but that was only after you tried to one-up him about it being a pistol. Yes legally it's a pistol but ballistically you were putting rifle rounds down a pistol range. Understood, the title of the clip threw me off. |
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Not a Nazi. RSO was just direct (and right). He gave you snark about potable water but that was only after you tried to one-up him about it being a pistol. Yes legally it's a pistol but ballistically you were putting rifle rounds down a pistol range. ^This^ |
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If I brought a .308, or 7-30 Waters chambered in a Contender, I'd expect the same logic, too hot for the backstop. Except I've been to 2 ranges that wont let you shoot a Contender pistol on the rifle line either.  I do love finally having my own range, I do whatever I want.
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Quoted: Meh, not all ranges have the same rules. At my local range they allow rifles on the pistol range. A few weeks ago I saw a kid shooting at a target ~10 yards out with a 16" AR from bench rest. Quoted: Quoted: AR dude needs to pound sand. A "pistol" range is for handguns - been that way forever. Meh, not all ranges have the same rules. At my local range they allow rifles on the pistol range. A few weeks ago I saw a kid shooting at a target ~10 yards out with a 16" AR from bench rest. Testing to publish accuracy results for his sniper rifle. Just add 2 zeros and he get free ammo for life.
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I once had a PA Game Commission db give me hard time for shooting a semi auto pistol on a pistol range once, because the range was not designed to take semi auto.
I was firing .40 Short & Weak He then told me that I had to leave because the state police were coming to practice. Uh, what do they carry???? I guess the state boys carry weaker semi autos that are easier on the backstop dirt... He then told me that it was against game commission rules to fire semi on game land ranges, wrong again. So he tried to say that the last mag that my gf shot had more than the allowable 6 rounds, uh nope, we saw them watching and were damned sure of our round count. JBT wanna be assholes. Took my picture and info and said I would be getting a citation in the mail, never got one, guessing they realized they were completely wrong. |
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All the range officer had to say "You need to take it to the rifle range, while its classified as a pistol it shoots a rifle cartridge making it unsafe to shoot at the pistol range"
How the range officer handled it was being an asshat. The shooter should've got clarification before he went shooting. The question is would the range officer have the same complaint if he was shooting a .50 AE or .500 S&W? |