[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Thanks, Boehner... (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 4/4/2014 1:56:15 AM EDT
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"There’s no question that those with mental health issues should be prevented from owning weapons or being able to purchase weapons." Those suffering the same diagnosed illnesses as the shooter — depression and anxiety — might be surprised by Boehner's willingness to take away their Second Amendment rights. I'm not surprised at all...  |
| I think both parties are going to be extremely sorry when this shit reaches its boiling point.. It's been brewing for a while now. And though I don't want to hop on the bandwagon some posters have been riding the past 1.5-2 years now but; I think we will see another revolution if things go further than they have. |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP.
The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. 
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. Depression makes sense but anxiety? |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. Lol. What does "mental issue" mean to you? Anxiety? Sleeplessness? PTSD? Or is it something more? |
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Quoted: Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. What is 'mental illness?' How do you define a condition that will put someone on a list of prohibited persons. (Also, I know this is GD, but really? You suggest that I'm mentally ill for posting this? Really? What's wrong with you, man?) |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. In |
| This last fort hood shooting won't make it long in this media cycle. Now that it is known he was a cop it pretty much kills the liberal argument of only cops and soldiers should have guns. In 6 months to a year when something else big happens and they are calling for only police and soldiers to have guns they don't want people remembering the fort hood shooter was both a cop and soldier. |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. Wait until someone wants to classify you as having mental issues because of your fill in the blank experience yesterday. Categorizing mental issues, as what is or is not acceptable, is the definition of a slippery slope. Don't fall for the media claims of what's acceptable to take away your rights. |
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What do you define as being mentally ill? For example would a person that lost a spouse and was prescribed a anti-depressant for a few months would be disqualified from ever owning a firearm? What about a person what was given a script for anxiety meds for use when flying? And just for the record I have not ever had either of these situations happen to me, however I know people that have had and they are some of the sanest people I know.
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. |
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Wait until someone wants to classify you as having mental issues because of your fill in the balnk experience yesterday. Categorizing mental issues, as what is or is not acceptable, is the definition of a slippery slope. Don't fall for the media claims of what's acceptable to take away your rights. Quoted:
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. Wait until someone wants to classify you as having mental issues because of your fill in the balnk experience yesterday. Categorizing mental issues, as what is or is not acceptable, is the definition of a slippery slope. Don't fall for the media claims of what's acceptable to take away your rights. Agreed 100%. I don't want to defend Boner, but he was trying to mimic what the majority of guns rights activists have been saying after every "mass shooting". Mental issues is vague, but the left has really taken what he says and twisted it into "Boehner wants to disarm over 40 million Americans". He was actually trying to earn brownie points with us IMO and failed, as always. The left would love to have a vague law like that on the books and as they try to get more of a stranglehold on the healthcare industry in the future, it will be their call as to who is crazy. You want to own a gun to defend yourself  you're crazy, take away his guns.
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Well the NRA is going down the same road so I see where Boehner gets it from.
Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,” because “elimination of the instrument by which these crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of a psychotic murderer.”[1] More recently, the NRA has supported legislation to ensure that appropriate records of those who have been judged mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to mental institutions be made available for use in firearms transfer background checks. The NRA will support any reasonable step to fix America’s broken mental health system without intruding on the constitutional rights of Americans. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/mentalhealthandfirearms.aspx By what definition and who judges if someone is mentally incompetent? When you drive down the mental health road you had better wear chains. I for one would not care to have to sit in front of some libtard "mental health professional" with my 2A right on the line as the mental health angle is going to be used as a club. |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. "The problem of course is who gets to say what constitutes mentally ill and who gets to determine who is and isn't mentally ill?? This is just a recipe for guilty until proven innocent. I prefer the model set forth in the constitution. That we are innocent until PROVEN GUILTY.. And that no one may be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law.." |
| There already is a legal process for this. It is called adjudicating someone mentally incompetent. If a person is so mentally disturbed that they can't be trusted w/ firearms; I don't want them sharing the road w/ me or my kids, and they probably shouldn't have access to pointy things, heavy blunt objects, various flammable or toxic chemicals, or cordage. Neither should they be able to serve in any legislative, regulatory, or enforcement capacity w/in govt. |
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There already is a legal process for this. It is called abjudicating someone mentally incompetent. If a person is so mentally disturbed that they can't be trusted w/ firearms; I don't want them sharing the road w/ me or my kids, and they probably shouldn't have access to pointy things, heavy blunt objects, various flammable or toxic chemicals, or cordage. Neither should they be able to serve in any legislative, regulatory, or enforcement capacity w/in govt. The problem is when the adjudicating part gets watered down. You know that is what they want. They want some mental health professional to be able to say you are a nut job and that be good enough to get you on "the list" for not being able to own a gun without having to go to court to prove it.
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There already is a legal process for this. It is called abjudicating someone mentally incompetent. If a person is so mentally disturbed that they can't be trusted w/ firearms; I don't want them sharing the road w/ me or my kids, and they probably shouldn't have access to pointy things, heavy blunt objects, various flammable or toxic chemicals, or cordage. Neither should they be able to serve in any legislative, regulatory, or enforcement capacity w/in govt. Abjudicating - that's adjudicating while doing sit-ups. |
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The problem is when the adjudicating part gets watered down. You know that is what they want. They want some mental health professional to be able to say you are a nut job and that be good enough to get you on "the list" for not being able to own a gun without having to go to court to prove it.
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There already is a legal process for this. It is called adjudicating someone mentally incompetent. If a person is so mentally disturbed that they can't be trusted w/ firearms; I don't want them sharing the road w/ me or my kids, and they probably shouldn't have access to pointy things, heavy blunt objects, various flammable or toxic chemicals, or cordage. Neither should they be able to serve in any legislative, regulatory, or enforcement capacity w/in govt. The problem is when the adjudicating part gets watered down. You know that is what they want. They want some mental health professional to be able to say you are a nut job and that be good enough to get you on "the list" for not being able to own a gun without having to go to court to prove it.
That is why the original law had competent or not, and why it needs to stay that way. Probably w/ some additional enforcement, but not w/ legislators or some bureaucrat splitting things up into prohibited and allowed based on abstract definitions or political concerns. We also don't want medical professionals responsible for making legal judgements. |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. Mental illness like being gay? What about being pregnant? |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. Mr. Caveman.....If you have never been made aware of it there is a book called the DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual)....I think they are at version 5 now. TL;DR version: WE ARE ALL FUCKIN NUTS. |
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And of course there are numerous qualifiers to Mental Illness: Acute, Chronic, Situational, Biological just to name a few. Almost every Psychiatrist I work with now prescribes an anti-psychotic with their goto anti-depressant. This not a can of worms being opened, it is a shipping container of worms, and it is packed full!!! |
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Obviously Boner belongs in that category, as emotional as he is........
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"There’s no question that those with mental health issues should be prevented from owning weapons or being able to purchase weapons." Those suffering the same diagnosed illnesses as the shooter — depression and anxiety — might be surprised by Boehner's willingness to take away their Second Amendment rights. I'm not surprised at all... https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/P58sSwVQowfF7XqVCk05TA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTM5MztweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz02NzU-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/theatlanticwire/Why_Does_John_Boehner_Want-1aefa35aa4731b863f924b08775b359c |
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There is no solution. There are no means to police someone's state of mind. It will always be after the fact as hindsight is 20/20.
Sure harmful tools can be taken, drugs can cure certain issues but its not a catch all. Perhaps friends and families should pay more attention to each other. But to suggest a law will fix something there is no control over is delusional at best. Warming signs are not always present, noticed, understood. |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. So you're comfortable with a leftist government being the ones defining what "mental problems" are? Knowing that they consider honor, morals, ethics, and demands to obey the Constitution as "mental problems" and "extremist behavior"? Really? 
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Agreed 100%. I don't want to defend Boner, but he was trying to mimic what the majority of guns rights activists have been saying after every "mass shooting". Mental issues is vague, but the left has really taken what he says and twisted it into "Boehner wants to disarm over 40 million Americans". He was actually trying to earn brownie points with us IMO and failed, as always. The left would love to have a vague law like that on the books and as they try to get more of a stranglehold on the healthcare industry in the future, it will be their call as to who is crazy. You want to own a gun to defend yourself you're crazy, take away his guns.Quoted:
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. Wait until someone wants to classify you as having mental issues because of your fill in the balnk experience yesterday. Categorizing mental issues, as what is or is not acceptable, is the definition of a slippery slope. Don't fall for the media claims of what's acceptable to take away your rights. Agreed 100%. I don't want to defend Boner, but he was trying to mimic what the majority of guns rights activists have been saying after every "mass shooting". Mental issues is vague, but the left has really taken what he says and twisted it into "Boehner wants to disarm over 40 million Americans". He was actually trying to earn brownie points with us IMO and failed, as always. The left would love to have a vague law like that on the books and as they try to get more of a stranglehold on the healthcare industry in the future, it will be their call as to who is crazy. You want to own a gun to defend yourself you're crazy, take away his guns.Yup. Like OP. Not surprising coming from him. |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. Dying to hear more about THIS one... |
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Well the NRA is going down the same road so I see where Boehner gets it from.
Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,” because “elimination of the instrument by which these crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of a psychotic murderer.”[1] More recently, the NRA has supported legislation to ensure that appropriate records of those who have been judged mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to mental institutions be made available for use in firearms transfer background checks. The NRA will support any reasonable step to fix America’s broken mental health system without intruding on the constitutional rights of Americans. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/mentalhealthandfirearms.aspx By what definition and who judges if someone is mentally incompetent? When you drive down the mental health road you had better wear chains. I for one would not care to have to sit in front of some libtard "mental health professional" with my 2A right on the line as the mental health angle is going to be used as a club. "who judges if someone is mentally incompetent?" A Judge. Psychiatrists, psychologists or other mental health professionals are expert witnesses. |
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"who judges if someone is mentally incompetent?" A Judge. Psychiatrists, psychologists or other mental health professionals are expert witnesses. Quoted:
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Well the NRA is going down the same road so I see where Boehner gets it from.
Since 1966, the National Rifle Association has urged the federal government to address the problem of mental illness and violence. As we noted then, “the time is at hand to seek means by which society can identify, treat and temporarily isolate such individuals,” because “elimination of the instrument by which these crimes are committed cannot arrest the ravages of a psychotic murderer.”[1] More recently, the NRA has supported legislation to ensure that appropriate records of those who have been judged mentally incompetent or involuntarily committed to mental institutions be made available for use in firearms transfer background checks. The NRA will support any reasonable step to fix America’s broken mental health system without intruding on the constitutional rights of Americans. http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/fact-sheets/2013/mentalhealthandfirearms.aspx By what definition and who judges if someone is mentally incompetent? When you drive down the mental health road you had better wear chains. I for one would not care to have to sit in front of some libtard "mental health professional" with my 2A right on the line as the mental health angle is going to be used as a club. "who judges if someone is mentally incompetent?" A Judge. Psychiatrists, psychologists or other mental health professionals are expert witnesses. Currently that is the case but the push is to water that down. If you can't see that coming you are not looking hard enough. Vets will be the first victims unless I miss my guess. IMHO a gun .org should only comment on mental health as it pertains to 2A when there are proposed laws that water down what the current standard is. |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. You really can't see this being abused? |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. In for the dog pile. Brace yourself, CAPT. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. 1. Who determines the definition of "mental issues," or what level of "mental issues" are significant enough to be denied 2A rights? 2. Liberals believe the desire to own multiple guns is itself a mental issue. |
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. So people with OCD and folks with arachnaphobia shouldn't own guns? How about folks with ADHD, and the lady that just lost her husband who is mildly depressed? Let's not forget the parents who lose children, take away their guns fast. |
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"There’s no question that those with mental health issues should be prevented from owning weapons or being able to purchase weapons." Those suffering the same diagnosed illnesses as the shooter — depression and anxiety — might be surprised by Boehner's willingness to take away their Second Amendment rights. I'm not surprised at all... https://s.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/P58sSwVQowfF7XqVCk05TA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTM5MztweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz02NzU-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/theatlanticwire/Why_Does_John_Boehner_Want-1aefa35aa4731b863f924b08775b359c And this. THIS WORTHLESS BACKSTABBING MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKER, is only HALF of the reason I'm not likely to vote GOP again any time soon.
And yet, he'll get re-elected because enough idiots will decide he's more pro gun than the communist that runs against him from the ass party. 
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Years ago I warned those on this site that it wasn't smart to air the fact that they were on anti depressants, had ptsd etc for this very reason.
All I got was the typical chest thumping they won't do shit to me because my medical records are private, the 2nd trumps everything, come and get them etc. edited to acknowledge the prophet above me. 
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So people with OCD and folks with arachnaphobia shouldn't own guns? How about folks with ADHD, and the lady that just lost her husband who is mildly depressed? Let's not forget the parents who lose children, take away their guns fast. Quoted:
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. So people with OCD and folks with arachnaphobia shouldn't own guns? How about folks with ADHD, and the lady that just lost her husband who is mildly depressed? Let's not forget the parents who lose children, take away their guns fast. Oh anyone with anxiety...... Or anyone that we think is a tin foil hatter......or is a bit non standard politically.......You know they might pop. Don't forget the folks that live off the grid. They're Schizoid personality types, wanting to be on their own that much. That's not normal. In fact, anyone that's not a Democrat. Yeah. That'll do it. They're already disarmed for the most part. |
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Years ago I warned those on this site that it wasn't smart to air the fact that they were on anti depressants, had ptsd etc for this very reason. All I got was the typical chest thumping they won't do shit to me because my medical records are private, the 2nd trumps everything, come and get them etc. Remember HIPPA? The second P is imaginary. There's a reason they wanted all the medical records tabulated and on line. It's so they can mine em for dissenters if needed. |
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Oh anyone with anxiety...... Or anyone that we think is a tin foil hatter......or is a bit non standard politically.......You know they might pop. Don't forget the folks that live off the grid. They're Schizoid personality types, wanting to be on their own that much. That's not normal. In fact, anyone that's not a Democrat. Yeah. That'll do it. They're already disarmed for the most part. Quoted:
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Whats the problem? People with mental issues shouldn't own guns, even if it just temporarily until they get help. Sorry if that's you OP. The problem I see is that the only ones it will affect are the people who were responsible and got help, along with people who should get help but wont because they think they'll lose their guns. So people with OCD and folks with arachnaphobia shouldn't own guns? How about folks with ADHD, and the lady that just lost her husband who is mildly depressed? Let's not forget the parents who lose children, take away their guns fast. Oh anyone with anxiety...... Or anyone that we think is a tin foil hatter......or is a bit non standard politically.......You know they might pop. Don't forget the folks that live off the grid. They're Schizoid personality types, wanting to be on their own that much. That's not normal. In fact, anyone that's not a Democrat. Yeah. That'll do it. They're already disarmed for the most part. What about the "no beans in chili" crowd? |
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The problem is when the adjudicating part gets watered down. You know that is what they want. They want some mental health professional to be able to say you are a nut job and that be good enough to get you on "the list" for not being able to own a gun without having to go to court to prove it. Go in for a routine physical and some anti gets wind you own a firearm and Pouft! One call and the man shows up at your door. I am not afraid of a bona fide medical diagnosis as I am terrified of an MD with a political agenda. |