Posted: 12/22/2002 8:27:23 AM EDT
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Okay, here's what happened. It's a beautiful sunny Sunday morning here in California. I decided to go for my normal morning walk. Along the way I decide to buy the family some donuts...hell, it's Christmas right?? Anyways, I start walking home and decide to eat a Carmel Bar on the way home. Two Sacramento City Police drive by and stop at the corner in front of me. As I approach the corner both LEOs step out of their cars and confront me! They ask me where I am going and for my ID. While one officer is running my DL number the other asks me if I have been drinking or doing any drugs!! WTF??? I answer "no". The officer then asks why do I have a "glazed" look on my face. At this point I am getting pretty pissed and start to walk away. That's when the officer grabs me and the box of dozen donuts drops to the ground. The box opens and I here the first LEO say: "Well, what do we have here...." Next thing I know they are inspecting the donuts and telling me I am in violation of the new Sacramento City "Glaze" ordinance!! WTF???? The first LEO picked up my apple fritter and claimed there was "extra" dough which allowed "the attachment of auxilary donut hole glaze power"!!! Long story short, the damn LEOs took my freaking donuts claiming they needed them for "evidence". I am so freaking pissed right now!! Now I have to have fruit for breakfast!!! Sgtar15 |
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Out of curiosity.......Why did you give them your DL? Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself. Obviously not giving them the info they want will probably piss them off or provoke them to find something but giving them info may have the same effect. |
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Its not like you were walking down the street with a combat assault shotgun slung over your shoulder - you were carrying DONUTS!!! Man! You gotta be more careful. Personally, I've gotten my CCD (Carry of Concealed Donut) issued from the state, so I don't worry much. If I were you, I'd seriously look into getting a CCD. And why, may I ask, were you not in possession of your passport? Some guys are just asking for trouble. |
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Kalifonication has a law that requires all subjects and visitors from Free America to submit to identity verification. He is lucky they didn't hold him down for a stool sample... Quoted: Out of curiosity.......Why did you give them your DL? Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself. |
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Quoted: your kidding right? cops shaking down people for donuts.. One LEO actually grabbed my apple fritter and asked what it was. When I told him it was an apple fritter he claimed that sounded French and it may be a illegally imported donut! I go to court in January[:(] Sgtar15 |
| Now look, you really have nothing to gripe about you were clearly and knowingly acting in a suspicious manner. Obviously you know this or you would be griping about the stop itself and not the loss of pastry. Noone, but noone walks in California. The states motto is if you can't fly drive, and if you can't drive there, don't go. |
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Quoted: Out of curiosity.......Why did you give them your DL? Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself. Depends on why you were stopped. If its a consensual encounter you dont have to say a word and are free to walk away. But if its a ped stop for some violation of law; Jaywalking/Cross against a steady red dont walk signal/Pedestrian in Bike lane/Drunk in public/Tresspassing....Then you gotta ID yourself. |
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The trick is they take your ID first, so you'll be too afraid to report them. No one deserves to be victimized, but you should use more common sense. This is like saying "I am so surprised I was attaked by sharks. I was just swimming along with a few armloads of decomposing bloody fish and then out of the blue came these obnoxious predators" |
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Quoted: Quoted: Out of curiosity.......Why did you give them your DL? Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself. Depends on why you were stopped. If its a consensual encounter you dont have to say a word and are free to walk away. But if its a ped stop for some violation of law; Jaywalking/Cross against a steady red dont walk signal/Pedestrian in Bike lane/Drunk in public/Tresspassing....Then you gotta ID yourself. Clarification on my original comment: Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself unless you are being charged with something. If they attempt to pat you down because they feel you have a dangerous item even though they are not charging you with anything you can inform them that "you do not consent to a search" and allow them to execute the search. If they didn't have probable cause and/or didn't charge you, you do have recourse. I haven't read the whole "Patriot Act" but that probably throws all of our rights in the trash anyway. They will probably want to get a print of my zero. |
| The "glazed" look must be in your [b]eyes[/b]. Obviously you have been molested on improper grounds, a "glazed" face. Be sure and sue the donut manufacturer for too much glaze while you're at it. The law to sue under would be the UCL. Any shitty lawyer will take the case. |
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If they were baked fresh this morning, they would not qualify for Pre-Ban Status. A bearclaw in the bunch would be considered an un-registered assualt doughnut. Looks like you were lucky to get off with mere confication. The alternative could have been a heavy fine and mandatory jail term. You could also loose your right to ever have another doughnut. Don't screw around with this. Next time have them delivered and be sure to fill out the proper transfer forms. Just think what might have happened if you had any Class III doughnuts. [:D] |
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Help me out with this one guys. Is jelly filling considered a propellant or explosive? Do donut holes require a Short Doughed Pastry Stamp? What about sprinkles and icing? Do these things fulfill the legal definition of "Evil Features found on Assault Pastries"? All these rules and regulations from the [b]B[/b]ureau of [b]A[/b]pple [b]T[/b]oasted [b]F[/b]ritters are confusing the hell out of me! [>:/] [:D] EDITED FOR TYPOGRAPHICAL ERRORS |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Out of curiosity.......Why did you give them your DL? Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself. Depends on why you were stopped. If its a consensual encounter you dont have to say a word and are free to walk away. But if its a ped stop for some violation of law; Jaywalking/Cross against a steady red dont walk signal/Pedestrian in Bike lane/Drunk in public/Tresspassing....Then you gotta ID yourself. Clarification on my original comment: Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself unless you are being charged with something. If they attempt to pat you down because they feel you have a dangerous item even though they are not charging you with anything you can inform them that "you do not consent to a search" and allow them to execute the search. If they didn't have probable cause and/or didn't charge you, you do have recourse. I haven't read the whole "Patriot Act" but that probably throws all of our rights in the trash anyway. They will probably want to get a print of my zero. Terry v Ohio. The police can stop you if they have areasonable articulable suspicion, that you have just commited, are committing, or about to commit a crime. You ain't free to go and you ain't under arrest. If the questioning doesn't dissipate their suspicions, yes you can be required to give your name. If the have R-A-S, that you have, will, or are commiting a crime, and have a R-A-S that you are armed, you can be frisked. The Constitution protects you against UNREASONABLE searches. Not ALL searches. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Out of curiosity.......Why did you give them your DL? Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself. Depends on why you were stopped. If its a consensual encounter you dont have to say a word and are free to walk away. But if its a ped stop for some violation of law; Jaywalking/Cross against a steady red dont walk signal/Pedestrian in Bike lane/Drunk in public/Tresspassing....Then you gotta ID yourself. Clarification on my original comment: Someone correct me if I am wrong but you don't even have to verbally identify yourself unless you are being charged with something. If they attempt to pat you down because they feel you have a dangerous item even though they are not charging you with anything you can inform them that "you do not consent to a search" and allow them to execute the search. If they didn't have probable cause and/or didn't charge you, you do have recourse. I haven't read the whole "Patriot Act" but that probably throws all of our rights in the trash anyway. They will probably want to get a print of my zero. Terry v Ohio. The police can stop you if they have areasonable articulable suspicion, that you have just commited, are committing, or about to commit a crime. You ain't free to go and you ain't under arrest. If the questioning doesn't dissipate their suspicions, yes you can be required to give your name. If the have R-A-S, that you have, will, or are commiting a crime, and have a R-A-S that you are armed, you can be frisked. The Constitution protects you against UNREASONABLE searches. Not ALL searches. Hmmmm. Any law against pissing your pants while they frisk you? |
| I have to ask you one thing, did you have any evil "banned" feature's on them like high compacity jelly you know more than 10oz of jelly. did you have any evil powder coating on them. did you have a folding fritter. you know those pistol grip beagels are a big no! no! |
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Quoted: Hmmmm. Any law against pissing your pants while they frisk you? Most juristictions have a law against urinating in public. Plus if the officer believed you were pissing your pants in an attempt to resist/obstruct/delay him, it would be a 148 charge. I have never had anyone piss themselves while being searched. More than a few have wet themselves in the back of the car. One sh!t himself when i was cuffing him. Several have Sh1t themselves in responce to a particulary hard blow while resisting arrest. |
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Quoted: And you just jelly-rolled over! You wimp! No resistance, and that's the problem with this contry. The Gov't will come for ALL our donuts, and pussies like you will hand-em over without a word. Sheeeeit! [stick] Scott Listen pal!! I have a wife and kids to think about!! Yeah, I willing gave up my Donuts, but I still had bran muffins at home! And I don't feel under feed with muffins. Unless you were in my shoes you can't really say what you would do. I am not willing to be a Donut test case. Sure, I could have fought them. But then I would run the risk of never owning [i[any[/i] type of breakfast food!! I have drawn my line in sand with lunch foods, until then I will continue fighting via Emails to my Senators while secretly stashing Pop-Tarts for when the BSHTF (Breakfast sausage hits the fan!) Sgtar15 |