Posted: 3/14/2014 2:59:59 PM EDT
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Obamacare requires that health insurance companies must offer free contraceptive coverage to members. Could a new law be passed requiring abortion providers to give this service away for free too?
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Quoted: Obamacare requires that health insurance companies must offer free contraceptive coverage to members. Could a new law be passed requiring abortion providers to give this service away for free too? They did that in China, and even made it compulsory in some cases. |
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I have to say that I think this question is sort of a trap. Abortion clinics are not going to be mandated in anyway, you and I both know this.
When you say "abortion providers" what do you mean? Do you mean any establishment that provides abortions? There are many places that provide abortions. I'm pretty sure they will give you free condoms currently. When you say contraceptives do you mean condoms, spermasides, morning after pill ect. ect. I assume the clinics will not be mandated by obama non-care. When you say "could a new law be passed" I say that yes there could be a new law passed but it depends on who is in office. Do you want abortion facilities to be forced to give away free condoms? I'm guessing that you think that abortion / baby killing factories don't offer contraceptives. |
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I think Planned Parenthood would love to do this as long as they got federal funding to do so. I swear they must be run by a decedent of Pol Pot. PO8 finished the rest of my rant. Take away tax payer funding of these death zones and they will go away on their own. I'll be damned if I work hard every day so some of my money goes to the death of innocent children. I guess I'm currently damned. 
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I have to say that I think this question is sort of a trap. Abortion clinics are not going to be mandated in anyway, you and I both know this. When you say "abortion providers" what do you mean? Do you mean any establishment that provides abortions? There are many places that provide abortions. I'm pretty sure they will give you free condoms currently. When you say contraceptives do you mean condoms, spermasides, morning after pill ect. ect. I assume the clinics will not be mandated by obama non-care. When you say "could a new law be passed" I say that yes there could be a new law passed but it depends on who is in office. Do you want abortion facilities to be forced to give away free condoms? I'm guessing that you think that abortion / baby killing factories don't offer contraceptives. Just thinking that currently abortion is a for profit business. If providers had to give it away for free would it impact the number of abortions performed per year? Would the rate go up or would providers close shop and abortions go down? |
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Insurance companies aren't being mandated to give things away, strictly speaking, either. They're required to provide contraception at no additional cost beyond premium to their members. That is, the cost of the premium is supposed to cover it*. If you don't have insurance, you can't go to the pharmacy and make BCBS or United Healthcare pay for your birth control.
So it's the insurance companies that would have to compensate the abortion clinics for it to be no cost above premium. Unless you mean, to make abortion clinics give away condoms, the pill, etc. In which case, a lot of them while maybe not giving stuff away do offer services to get people these things at low cost. They prefer a woman to not get pregnant than to abort. *Whether it does or not depends on price of premium, other expenses covered by insurance, prescribed BC, etc., and this is of course one reason why premiums have gone up insanely |
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Just thinking that currently abortion is a for profit business. If providers had to give it away for free would it impact the number of abortions performed per year? Would the rate go up or would providers close shop and abortions go down? Quoted:
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I have to say that I think this question is sort of a trap. Abortion clinics are not going to be mandated in anyway, you and I both know this. When you say "abortion providers" what do you mean? Do you mean any establishment that provides abortions? There are many places that provide abortions. I'm pretty sure they will give you free condoms currently. When you say contraceptives do you mean condoms, spermasides, morning after pill ect. ect. I assume the clinics will not be mandated by obama non-care. When you say "could a new law be passed" I say that yes there could be a new law passed but it depends on who is in office. Do you want abortion facilities to be forced to give away free condoms? I'm guessing that you think that abortion / baby killing factories don't offer contraceptives. Just thinking that currently abortion is a for profit business. If providers had to give it away for free would it impact the number of abortions performed per year? Would the rate go up or would providers close shop and abortions go down? So sorry to say, abortion is not for profit. It is most usually tax payer funded. That is the sad and terrorfiying truth. I don't really know what else to say. Murder really is a touchy subject. 
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Abortion prevents two people's lives from being ruined at the cost of one clump of lifeless cells and some money. I'd think they'd be willing to pay cash for that personally. Beats the hell out of buying 18 years worth of shit for a kid.  I'll bite. "A clump of lifeless cells" Are you saying that cells are not alive? Are you saying that your bank account is more important that the life that you created? That is so sic I can't really relate and I'm not the most moral person in the world. What ever the case you will do what you want and believe. If you think those cells in you're brain should be killed because you can't afford them, I'll be the last to disagree conciddering your apparent view on a fetus that has a heart beat. 
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Insurance companies aren't being mandated to give things away, strictly speaking, either. They're required to provide contraception at no additional cost beyond premium to their members. That is, the cost of the premium is supposed to cover it*. If you don't have insurance, you can't go to the pharmacy and make BCBS or United Healthcare pay for your birth control. So it's the insurance companies that would have to compensate the abortion clinics for it to be no cost above premium. Unless you mean, to make abortion clinics give away condoms, the pill, etc. In which case, a lot of them while maybe not giving stuff away do offer services to get people these things at low cost. They prefer a woman to not get pregnant than to abort. *Whether it does or not depends on price of premium, other expenses covered by insurance, prescribed BC, etc., and this is of course one reason why premiums have gone up insanely 100% incorrect. If a company objects to paying for contraception that company downloads a waiver from CMS and gives it to the insurance company. The insurance company must AT THEIR OWN COST provide a free individual policy that covers contraceptives. The member will get a separate ID card and can use it to cover contraception costs. There is no out of pocket cost to the member. |
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So sorry to say, abortion is not for profit. It is most usually tax payer funded. That is the sad and terrorfiying truth. I don't really know what else to say. Murder really is a touchy subject.
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I have to say that I think this question is sort of a trap. Abortion clinics are not going to be mandated in anyway, you and I both know this. When you say "abortion providers" what do you mean? Do you mean any establishment that provides abortions? There are many places that provide abortions. I'm pretty sure they will give you free condoms currently. When you say contraceptives do you mean condoms, spermasides, morning after pill ect. ect. I assume the clinics will not be mandated by obama non-care. When you say "could a new law be passed" I say that yes there could be a new law passed but it depends on who is in office. Do you want abortion facilities to be forced to give away free condoms? I'm guessing that you think that abortion / baby killing factories don't offer contraceptives. Just thinking that currently abortion is a for profit business. If providers had to give it away for free would it impact the number of abortions performed per year? Would the rate go up or would providers close shop and abortions go down? So sorry to say, abortion is not for profit. It is most usually tax payer funded. That is the sad and terrorfiying truth. I don't really know what else to say. Murder really is a touchy subject.
So tax payers pay the abortion providers. I am sure doctors are getting paid so that by definition makes it for profit. It doesn't make a difference if it is the tax payer or the woman who wants the abortion paying. |
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Obamacare requires that health insurance companies must offer free contraceptive coverage to members. Could a new law be passed requiring abortion providers to give this service away for free too? Sure. The precedent is established that the government can require a company to provide a service. Then again, insurance companies are compensated for providing "free" contraceptives through increasing premiums, which of course can't be only applied to the women who use that benefit so it is shared by everybody. Essentially it's a tax in that all are required to pay for it by the government, but the middleman (the government) is cut out of the redistribution scheme. If anything it would be much more likely that abortion would be required to be paid for by insurance companies. I don't even want to know if its possible for the Health and Human Services secretary to declare this a "vital medical condition" or some such horseshit because after seeing how Obama granted himself the powers to exempt any and everybody from the law the he saw pay donations fit I wouldn't be surprised if they just add whatever they want to the list of things that have to be covered. I'm sure abortions and sex changes are just around the corner. Not funded by taxpayers of course, just funded by private insurance payers---who have no choice but to pay private insurance via government mandates. Sigh. |
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I hate to break this too you anti abortion nuts but the government has been paying for abortions for years. Many states have some kind of medicaid for poor people or those with disabilities etc... In the fine print I usually covers abortions. If there were no profit in it do you think doctors would still do them? |
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I hate to break this too you anti abortion nuts but the government has been paying for abortions for years. Many states have some kind of medicaid for poor people or those with disabilities etc... In the fine print I usually covers abortions. If there were no profit in it do you think doctors would still do them? Some would, but much fewer. It's a badge of honor for a radical fringe leftists and some Somalians. |
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I hate to break this too you anti abortion nuts but the government has been paying for abortions for years. Many states have some kind of medicaid for poor people or those with disabilities etc... In the fine print I usually covers abortions. You can't really be so stupid that you didn't think the anti abortion "nuts" don't know that the government funds it. They mooch off of society like members of internet forums who won't pony up for a membership
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Morning after pill was switched to a contraceptive. Not far fetched that the abortion pill could be next. The morning after pill just stops the release of the eggs...after sex the sperm has to fertilize the egg at a certain point, USUALLY, if the morning after pill is taken the flow of eggs is cut off before the flow of sperm reaches the right places so conception can't happen. I am completely against abortion, the morning after pill is perfectly fine. It won't even harm a fertilized egg or prevent implantation into the uterus if fertilization already happened. Good stuff. RU-486 is completely different. That causes an abortion. |
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Obamacare requires that health insurance companies must offer free contraceptive coverage to members. Could a new law be passed requiring abortion providers to give this service away for free too? By that logic, the insurance companies would be required to provide abortion coverage, not the abortion providers. |
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By that logic, the insurance companies would be required to provide abortion coverage, not the abortion providers. Quoted:
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Obamacare requires that health insurance companies must offer free contraceptive coverage to members. Could a new law be passed requiring abortion providers to give this service away for free too? By that logic, the insurance companies would be required to provide abortion coverage, not the abortion providers. Yeah but at the rate we are going the insurance companies will be out of business long before the abortion providers. What happens when we are on single payer? |
