[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Blog. Putin is a pretty class act (Page 1 of 2)
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TL;DR. Cliffs? Basically, Putin's a class act because Crimea joined Russia under minimal bloodshed. |
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TL;DR. Cliffs? Really? |
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Really? Sorry, my Fuckup. When I tried to read it I scrolled to fast when I was in the middle of something else and it looked like it was a 20 minute read. 
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You know it's okay to not be obtuse and just say that you're giddy Putin stuck a finger in America's eye.
It's also OK to admit that you had to reach really far and hard on the Gitmo comparison mainly because the US did not send hundreds of thousands of Cubans into exile at the conclusion of the Spanish American War,repopulate it with Americans,give Cuba back to Spain and be OK with the status quo whilst Spain was a puppet but then re-occupy the entirety of Cuba when Spain had a revolution. Why is Putin ending up with the billion $? Sorry, 0/10 and you still win 0 brownie points from Putin. He doesn't care what you think anyway, America is an enemy for internal consumption. This Putin love is as idiotic as the overcharge button in thinking it will influence his actions. He wants the Cold War again whether you want it or not. Did you get a vote when a bully decided to pick on you? |
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You might have a point if this wasn't the second time in less than a decade he invaded a sovereign nation. Then there is the shit going on in Cuba that has been left out of the headlines. Putin is a real tyrant trying to restart the USSR.
Edited to add: You should probably be congratulating Obama too because it is likely he this very thing is what he was whispering to Putin about being more open to in his second term. |
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You might have a point if this wasn't the second time in less than a decade he invaded a sovereign nation. Then there is the shit going on in Cuba that has been left out of the headlines. Putin is a real tyrant trying to restart the USSR. I assume you are talking about Georgia, you might want to read up on what happened, Russia did not invade. |
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Internet discussions are great have nothing to add or a rebuttal just post an image and think you are witty and smart. |
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You know it's okay to not be obtuse and just say that you're giddy Putin stuck a finger in America's eye. Actually I am not giddy about it. It's a disgrace. Every time we turn around we get to see Putin humiliate President Obama. I wonder how this would have played out if the man in the White House was a reincarnate of Ronald Reagan. |
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Actually I am not giddy about it. It's a disgrace. Every time we turn around we get to see Putin humiliate President Obama. I wonder how this would have played out if the man in the White House was a reincarnate of Ronald Reagan. Quoted:
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You know it's okay to not be obtuse and just say that you're giddy Putin stuck a finger in America's eye. Actually I am not giddy about it. It's a disgrace. Every time we turn around we get to see Putin humiliate President Obama. I wonder how this would have played out if the man in the White House was a reincarnate of Ronald Reagan. WE would have witty speeches and more gun control measures? |
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Actually I am not giddy about it. It's a disgrace. Every time we turn around we get to see Putin humiliate President Obama. I wonder how this would have played out if the man in the White House was a reincarnate of Ronald Reagan. Quoted:
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You know it's okay to not be obtuse and just say that you're giddy Putin stuck a finger in America's eye. Actually I am not giddy about it. It's a disgrace. Every time we turn around we get to see Putin humiliate President Obama. I wonder how this would have played out if the man in the White House was a reincarnate of Ronald Reagan. Last paragraph you misspelled humiliated.
Basically agree, though not with the words. Wouldn't call him a class act so much as showing finesse with foreign policy - something O is not capable of. |
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I assume you are talking about Georgia, you might want to read up on what happened, Russia did not invade. Quoted:
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You might have a point if this wasn't the second time in less than a decade he invaded a sovereign nation. Then there is the shit going on in Cuba that has been left out of the headlines. Putin is a real tyrant trying to restart the USSR. I assume you are talking about Georgia, you might want to read up on what happened, Russia did not invade. So Russian troops(not even so called peace keepers) never entered Georgian soil and haven't had a hand in the conflict since at least the beginning of this century? |
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Internet discussions are great have nothing to add or a rebuttal just post an image and think you are witty and smart. Quoted:
Internet discussions are great have nothing to add or a rebuttal just post an image and think you are witty and smart. What I think about you and the OP is a violation of the CoC. I do what I can. |
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Hey Pic, as we've discussed before, I always enjoy your blog, don't always agree but respect your opinions even when you're advocating banishing me to the political netherworlds. Got to agree with you this time, any who believe the Age of Empire is over are kidding themselves, although empire may be more hegemony these days. Putin looked out for his country's best interests, that's his job.
A while back there was a thread asking which group on this site gets the most butt-hurt. I didn't read it but evidently the answer was Obama's boys. |
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I can't agree that sinking a ship in the mouth of the harbor was a class act. To me, Putin looks more like a scary megalomaniac every day. The Cold War isn't dead; it's just been asleep for 25 years, like Rip Van Winkle.
BTW Piccolo: thanks for the great card! I'm only sorry BFE doesn't count toward DXCC. |
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Quoted: You know it's okay to not be obtuse and just say that you're giddy Putin stuck a finger in America's eye. It's also OK to admit that you had to reach really far and hard on the Gitmo comparison mainly because the US did not send hundreds of thousands of Cubans into exile at the conclusion of the Spanish American War,repopulate it with Americans,give Cuba back to Spain and be OK with the status quo whilst Spain was a puppet but then re-occupy the entirety of Cuba when Spain had a revolution. Why is Putin ending up with the billion $? Sorry, 0/10 and you still win 0 brownie points from Putin. He doesn't care what you think anyway, America is an enemy for internal consumption. This Putin love is as idiotic as the overcharge button in thinking it will influence his actions. He wants the Cold War again whether you want it or not. Did you get a vote when a bully decided to pick on you? Pic is correct. Russia will get the billion that Obama's sending over. Putin may not be a good man, but he is a leader. All those staged photos of Putin riding horses, Taekwondo, alligator wrestling... are simply intended to make him look tough. I'll bet the Russians love him. |
Yeah, a class act, no doubt ... 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances A pretty class act that couldn't even wait 20 years to renege on a pretty critical agreement that transferred the world's third largest nuclear arsenal. His actions have now given a sovereign nation a profoundly just reason from withdrawing from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. One could argue that the Ukraine should have their weapons returned to them, or at least their fissile components; I believe the latter is still technically possible. This starts to get a little messy, because this complicates our literal compliance with the PMDA, and other agreements that we have signed with Russia regarding the transfer and use of HEU. But, you know, it seems these agreements can now be broken; a madman could have a lot of fun with this. |
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Pic is correct. Russia will get the billion that Obama's sending over. Putin may not be a good man, but he is a leader. All those staged photos of Putin riding horses, Taekwondo, alligator wrestling... are simply intended to make him look tough. I'll bet the Russians love him. Quoted:
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You know it's okay to not be obtuse and just say that you're giddy Putin stuck a finger in America's eye. It's also OK to admit that you had to reach really far and hard on the Gitmo comparison mainly because the US did not send hundreds of thousands of Cubans into exile at the conclusion of the Spanish American War,repopulate it with Americans,give Cuba back to Spain and be OK with the status quo whilst Spain was a puppet but then re-occupy the entirety of Cuba when Spain had a revolution. Why is Putin ending up with the billion $? Sorry, 0/10 and you still win 0 brownie points from Putin. He doesn't care what you think anyway, America is an enemy for internal consumption. This Putin love is as idiotic as the overcharge button in thinking it will influence his actions. He wants the Cold War again whether you want it or not. Did you get a vote when a bully decided to pick on you? Pic is correct. Russia will get the billion that Obama's sending over. Putin may not be a good man, but he is a leader. All those staged photos of Putin riding horses, Taekwondo, alligator wrestling... are simply intended to make him look tough. I'll bet the Russians love him. The same could be said about Hitler. Before the end of WW2, a lot of Americans said the same kinds of things about him. If you haven't read about support for Hitler by some pretty important Americans, then you should read up on it. It's interesting stuff. History is painted with a broad brush and written by the winners. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Yeah, a class act, no doubt ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons_and_Ukraine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances A pretty class act that couldn't even wait 20 years to renege on a pretty critical agreement that transferred the world's third largest nuclear arsenal. His actions have now given a sovereign nation a profoundly just reason from withdrawing from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. One could argue that the Ukraine should have their weapons returned to them, or at least their fissile components; I believe the latter is still technically possible. This starts to get a little messy, because this complicates our literal compliance with the PMDA, and other agreements that we have signed with Russia regarding the transfer and use of HEU. But, you know, it seems these agreements can now be broken; a madman could have a lot of fun with this. I would call Putin's actions effective but NOT classy. He's basically a thug in a suit with a lot of power. Son of a bitch wants to come off as a mob boss but ends up looking like a Bond villain. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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] Pic is correct. Russia will get the billion that Obama's sending over. Putin may not be a good man, but he is a leader. All those staged photos of Putin riding horses, Taekwondo, alligator wrestling... are simply intended to make him look tough. I'll bet the Russians love him. I have a crewman that spends time in Russia. He has family there. The Russians DO love Putin. My crewman explained it to me that Putin is pretty much the JFK of Russia. He has the charisma and the Russkis look to him for leadership. The man, like him or not, IS a leader. Which sadly is more than we have. What we have now is closer to being Santa Claus, just giving the treasury away faster than the rest of us working stiffs can replace it. About the meanest, baddest thing Obama seems to be able to do to Putin is unfriend him on Facebook.
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The blog below this one dealing in Las Vegas and porn anyone who says "I am not too big on porn" means they have the largest porn collection you have ever seen FWIW I''m also not too big on gambling, drugs, prostitution either. Still, I think they ought to be at least decriminalized. I also think abortion is a pretty rotten thing to do but I don't think it is any of the governments business. |
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I have a crewman that spends time in Russia. He has family there. The Russians DO love Putin. My crewman explained it to me that Putin is pretty much the JFK of Russia. He has the charisma and the Russkis look to him for leadership. The man, like him or not, IS a leader. And lots of Germans loved Hitler for making Germany strong again and making them proud to be Germans again. So what? I have personal experience with what's going on in UKR that I think will make you reconsider today's blog when it plays out, if it ever gets covered. |
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And lots of Germans loved Hitler for making Germany strong again and making them proud to be Germans again. So what? I have personal experience with what's going on in UKR that I think will make you reconsider today's blog when it plays out, if it ever gets covered. Quoted:
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I have a crewman that spends time in Russia. He has family there. The Russians DO love Putin. My crewman explained it to me that Putin is pretty much the JFK of Russia. He has the charisma and the Russkis look to him for leadership. The man, like him or not, IS a leader. And lots of Germans loved Hitler for making Germany strong again and making them proud to be Germans again. So what? I have personal experience with what's going on in UKR that I think will make you reconsider today's blog when it plays out, if it ever gets covered. If he can't see reality amidst what's already known, he never will. To even suggest the US has ever done anything on par with this is beyond derp. In the name of protecting civilians, Putin has engineered a chaotic, lawless situation in which reporters and diplomats are intimidated, and all efforts to get to the facts are obstructed. There was nothing threatening the security of the Crimean people until this move. In fact, their future was looking bright for the first time in years. Now, they can only look forward to the long slog associated with living in one of Russia's artificial "frozen conflicts" as pawns for Russia's foreign policy manipulation. |
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Quoted: I have a crewman that spends time in Russia. He has family there. The Russians DO love Putin. My crewman explained it to me that Putin is pretty much the JFK of Russia. He has the charisma and the Russkis look to him for leadership. The man, like him or not, IS a leader. Which sadly is more than we have. What we have now is closer to being Santa Claus, just giving the treasury away faster than the rest of us working stiffs can replace it. About the meanest, baddest thing Obama seems to be able to do to Putin is unfriend him on Facebook. Quoted: Quoted: ] Pic is correct. Russia will get the billion that Obama's sending over. Putin may not be a good man, but he is a leader. All those staged photos of Putin riding horses, Taekwondo, alligator wrestling... are simply intended to make him look tough. I'll bet the Russians love him. I have a crewman that spends time in Russia. He has family there. The Russians DO love Putin. My crewman explained it to me that Putin is pretty much the JFK of Russia. He has the charisma and the Russkis look to him for leadership. The man, like him or not, IS a leader. Which sadly is more than we have. What we have now is closer to being Santa Claus, just giving the treasury away faster than the rest of us working stiffs can replace it. About the meanest, baddest thing Obama seems to be able to do to Putin is unfriend him on Facebook. I disagree. The Russians I know and work with don't seem such fans. Perhaps it's the same as with our fearless leader here. The people looking for feel-good charisma support him blindly, yet the critical thinkers don't.
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I actually somewhat agree with the blog, we would do the same to protect our bases. However we in doing so would not foment a change in regional alliance of an already recognized democratic country and political regional boundries. And we sure as fuck wouldn't lie about it, and obstruct efforts for neutral parties to investigate allegations of squirrelly shit. |
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Quoted: And lots of Germans loved Hitler for making Germany strong again and making them proud to be Germans again. So what? I have personal experience with what's going on in UKR that I think will make you reconsider today's blog when it plays out, if it ever gets covered. Quoted: Quoted: I have a crewman that spends time in Russia. He has family there. The Russians DO love Putin. My crewman explained it to me that Putin is pretty much the JFK of Russia. He has the charisma and the Russkis look to him for leadership. The man, like him or not, IS a leader. And lots of Germans loved Hitler for making Germany strong again and making them proud to be Germans again. So what? I have personal experience with what's going on in UKR that I think will make you reconsider today's blog when it plays out, if it ever gets covered. Share your experience please!
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Quoted: And we sure as fuck wouldn't lie about it, and obstruct efforts for neutral parties to investigate allegations of squirrelly shit. Quoted: Quoted: I actually somewhat agree with the blog, we would do the same to protect our bases. However we in doing so would not foment a change in regional alliance of an already recognized democratic country and political regional boundries. And we sure as fuck wouldn't lie about it, and obstruct efforts for neutral parties to investigate allegations of squirrelly shit. |
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I actually somewhat agree with the blog, we would do the same to protect our bases. However we in doing so would not foment a change in regional alliance of an already recognized democratic country and political regional boundries. Teddy Roosevelt and the Panama Canal, perhaps? (Which Carter gave away )
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Quoted: Teddy Roosevelt and the Panama Canal, perhaps? (Which Carter gave away ) Quoted: Quoted: I actually somewhat agree with the blog, we would do the same to protect our bases. However we in doing so would not foment a change in regional alliance of an already recognized democratic country and political regional boundries. Teddy Roosevelt and the Panama Canal, perhaps? (Which Carter gave away ) |
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That is different, we took it over and paid to have it finished, we built it we owned it, but we didn't annex Panama as a state. No.We stirred up a revolution. The original canal was owned by Colombia and we stirred up a revolution to create Panama. We supported this with a naval blockade to keep Colombia from coming in. Afterwards we signed a treaty with the new Panamanian government for 10,000, 000 outright and 250,000 a year thereafter. |
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Quoted: No.We stirred up a revolution. The original canal was owned by Colombia and we stirred up a revolution to create Panama. We supported this with a naval blockade to keep Colombia from coming in. Afterwards we signed a treaty with the new Panamanian government for 10,000, 000 outright and 250,000 a year thereafter. Quoted: Quoted: That is different, we took it over and paid to have it finished, we built it we owned it, but we didn't annex Panama as a state. No.We stirred up a revolution. The original canal was owned by Colombia and we stirred up a revolution to create Panama. We supported this with a naval blockade to keep Colombia from coming in. Afterwards we signed a treaty with the new Panamanian government for 10,000, 000 outright and 250,000 a year thereafter. I understand why Russia wants to keep their ports in the black sea same as their port in Syria. We have the same in Guantanamo. |
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You are obviously more well versed than I on Panama so I won't argue your points. I thought it was another foreign government that initially tried to build the canal and failed and then we stepped in. Point being we paid for it we had a right to ownership of it. That point is we didn't take ownership of the entire region. I understand why Russia wants to keep their ports in the black sea same as their port in Syria. We have the same in Guantanamo. Quoted:
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That is different, we took it over and paid to have it finished, we built it we owned it, but we didn't annex Panama as a state. No.We stirred up a revolution. The original canal was owned by Colombia and we stirred up a revolution to create Panama. We supported this with a naval blockade to keep Colombia from coming in. Afterwards we signed a treaty with the new Panamanian government for 10,000, 000 outright and 250,000 a year thereafter. I understand why Russia wants to keep their ports in the black sea same as their port in Syria. We have the same in Guantanamo. The 19th century and early 20th century was a different time, and the world played by different rules. Putin wants to play by those old rules, while playing his Eddie Haskel game and leveraging his useful idiots to suggest otherwise. But, the rest of us saw where that has led in the past. A few of us still do. |
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Quoted: The 19th century and early 20th century was a different time, and the world played by different rules. Putin wants to play by those old rules, while playing his Eddie Haskel game and leveraging his useful idiots to suggest otherwise. But, the rest of us saw where that has led in the past. A few of us still do. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That is different, we took it over and paid to have it finished, we built it we owned it, but we didn't annex Panama as a state. No.We stirred up a revolution. The original canal was owned by Colombia and we stirred up a revolution to create Panama. We supported this with a naval blockade to keep Colombia from coming in. Afterwards we signed a treaty with the new Panamanian government for 10,000, 000 outright and 250,000 a year thereafter. I understand why Russia wants to keep their ports in the black sea same as their port in Syria. We have the same in Guantanamo. The 19th century and early 20th century was a different time, and the world played by different rules. Putin wants to play by those old rules, while playing his Eddie Haskel game and leveraging his useful idiots to suggest otherwise. But, the rest of us saw where that has led in the past. A few of us still do. |
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Quoted: If he can't see reality amidst what's already known, he never will. To even suggest the US has ever done anything on par with this is beyond derp. In the name of protecting civilians, Putin has engineered a chaotic, lawless situation in which reporters and diplomats are intimidated, and all efforts to get to the facts are obstructed. There was nothing threatening the security of the Crimean people until this move. In fact, their future was looking bright for the first time in years. Now, they can only look forward to the long slog associated with living in one of Russia's artificial "frozen conflicts" as pawns for Russia's foreign policy manipulation. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a crewman that spends time in Russia. He has family there. The Russians DO love Putin. My crewman explained it to me that Putin is pretty much the JFK of Russia. He has the charisma and the Russkis look to him for leadership. The man, like him or not, IS a leader. And lots of Germans loved Hitler for making Germany strong again and making them proud to be Germans again. So what? I have personal experience with what's going on in UKR that I think will make you reconsider today's blog when it plays out, if it ever gets covered. If he can't see reality amidst what's already known, he never will. To even suggest the US has ever done anything on par with this is beyond derp. In the name of protecting civilians, Putin has engineered a chaotic, lawless situation in which reporters and diplomats are intimidated, and all efforts to get to the facts are obstructed. There was nothing threatening the security of the Crimean people until this move. In fact, their future was looking bright for the first time in years. Now, they can only look forward to the long slog associated with living in one of Russia's artificial "frozen conflicts" as pawns for Russia's foreign policy manipulation. Honestly the false moral equivalency is something I associate with people like Noam Chomsky. ETA: And the Crimeans don't want to be turned into Transdnester with beaches. |
| The logic here is clear. The EU is the one being threatened. Ukraine turned down a chance at NATO membership. Putin needs the cash from oil and gas exports to EU. It is an EU problem let them pickup their own trash. We have done all the heavy lifting for over half a century the Europeans need to step up or suffer. We are BROKE we have no more MONEY. |
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You can repeat that Ukraine turned down the offer to join NATO but all that does is confirm that you don't understand how membership works.
Because of the Russian population and pressure from Russia,support for joining NATO was low. Far more importantly, much like the case of Georgia, many western European countries did and do not want either to join. Tymoshenko did not want to antagonize Russia and end up with dioxin soup. She also wanted the gas deals and thought Ukraine could exist between the EU and Russia.Of course Yanukovych didn't want to join NATO,they didn't make him a billionaire. The crux of the matter is that either joining NATO would have antagonized Russia and increased the paranoia that the US and EU are trying to abuse poor Russia. Furthermore,and more importantly, NATO failing to unanimously accept either would make the alliance appear fractured and weak and would make countries with much more to offer such as Sweden,Finland and Austria go from the possible NATO candidates to why bother. Furthermore,NATO membership is not immediate. Do you really think that Russia would permit Crimea to be part of NATO? Of course not, the base there is not Kaliningrad. Planned entry into NATO would have caused the exact same reaction on the same auspices. |
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You can repeat that Ukraine turned down the offer to join NATO but all that does is confirm that you don't understand how membership works. Because of the Russian population and pressure from Russia,support for joining NATO was low. Far more importantly, much like the case of Georgia, many western European countries did and do not want either to join. Tymoshenko did not want to antagonize Russia and end up with dioxin soup. She also wanted the gas deals and thought Ukraine could exist between the EU and Russia.Of course Yanukovych didn't want to join NATO,they didn't make him a billionaire. The crux of the matter is that either joining NATO would have antagonized Russia and increased the paranoia that the US and EU are trying to abuse poor Russia. Furthermore,and more importantly, NATO failing to unanimously accept either would make the alliance appear fractured and weak and would make countries with much more to offer such as Sweden,Finland and Austria go from the possible NATO candidates to why bother. Furthermore,NATO membership is not immediate. Do you really think that Russia would permit Crimea to be part of NATO? Of course not, the base there is not Kaliningrad. Planned entry into NATO would have caused the exact same reaction on the same auspices. Quoted:
You can repeat that Ukraine turned down the offer to join NATO but all that does is confirm that you don't understand how membership works. Because of the Russian population and pressure from Russia,support for joining NATO was low. Far more importantly, much like the case of Georgia, many western European countries did and do not want either to join. Tymoshenko did not want to antagonize Russia and end up with dioxin soup. She also wanted the gas deals and thought Ukraine could exist between the EU and Russia.Of course Yanukovych didn't want to join NATO,they didn't make him a billionaire. The crux of the matter is that either joining NATO would have antagonized Russia and increased the paranoia that the US and EU are trying to abuse poor Russia. Furthermore,and more importantly, NATO failing to unanimously accept either would make the alliance appear fractured and weak and would make countries with much more to offer such as Sweden,Finland and Austria go from the possible NATO candidates to why bother. Furthermore,NATO membership is not immediate. Do you really think that Russia would permit Crimea to be part of NATO? Of course not, the base there is not Kaliningrad. Planned entry into NATO would have caused the exact same reaction on the same auspices. That last point is huge, many people don't seem to understand the timing of the Russian foray into Georgia as it related to NATO accession for both countries. http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/official_texts_8443.htm NATO welcomes Ukraine’s and Georgia’s Euro-Atlantic aspirations for membership in NATO. We agreed today that these countries will become members of NATO. Both nations have made valuable contributions to Alliance operations. We welcome the democratic reforms in Ukraine and Georgia and look forward to free and fair parliamentary elections in Georgia in May. MAP is the next step for Ukraine and Georgia on their direct way to membership. Today we make clear that we support these countries’ applications for MAP. Therefore we will now begin a period of intensive engagement with both at a high political level to address the questions still outstanding pertaining to their MAP applications. We have asked Foreign Ministers to make a first assessment of progress at their December 2008 meeting. Foreign Ministers have the authority to decide on the MAP applications of Ukraine and Georgia. |