Posted: 1/19/2014 5:30:47 PM EDT
| I was using a standard set of cheaper non electronic muffs at the range today. Was still way too loud for me. Are the electronic ones any better? Or are they just better are amplifying regular talking voice levels? What's my best route? Doubling up with the inner ears and then using the muffs on top? I for sure won't be able to hear a damn thing regular noise level then? |
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You want these. I love mine as does everyone else that tries them on. |
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Quoted: I was using a standard set of cheaper non electronic muffs at the range today. Was still way too loud for me. Are the electronic ones any better? Or are they just better are amplifying regular talking voice levels? What's my best route? Doubling up with the inner ears and then using the muffs on top? I for sure won't be able to hear a damn thing regular noise level then? |
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Yep, these.. ^^ I think I'd still double up at an indoor range though. Outdoors they're fantastic. |
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I was using a standard set of cheaper non electronic muffs at the range today. Was still way too loud for me. Are the electronic ones any better? Or are they just better are amplifying regular talking voice levels? What's my best route? Doubling up with the inner ears and then using the muffs on top? I for sure won't be able to hear a damn thing regular noise level then? The electronics are nice and I have completely switched to them. Before that I was using a set of surefires , they are nice and really comfortable |
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Use those + use ear plugs and turn the volume up to max. Using both the muffs and the internal block a lot, max volume returns normal hearing over the ear plugs. |
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Quoted: Yep, these.. ^^ I think I'd still double up at an indoor range though. Outdoors they're fantastic. Quoted: I think I'd still double up at an indoor range though. Outdoors they're fantastic. It's not too bad without plugs....but then again I'm already deaf as hell  |
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Use those + use ear plugs and turn the volume up to max. Using both the muffs and the internal block a lot, max volume returns normal hearing over the ear plugs. Quoted:
Use those + use ear plugs and turn the volume up to max. Using both the muffs and the internal block a lot, max volume returns normal hearing over the ear plugs. I do the same. If I am shooting by myself with just some x39 or 5.56 I wear them by themselves, but if I am shooting or around other shooting big stuff I do exactly that with the plugs and crank up the volume. |
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This. I have 2 of these (one for me + guest at the range) and they are excellent. Being able to actually hear things in between shots is great; never had any problem with them not providing enough protection even with people shooting shotguns / rifles next to me at an indoor range, and certainly not outdoor. I have a DPRNJ compatible rifle with pre-ban style barrel (no flash suppressor etc.) so it's super loud. |
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Quoted: With the gel inserts. I still double up when shooting my SBR or indoors. Quoted: Quoted: MSA Sordin Pro X FTW With the gel inserts. I still double up when shooting my SBR or indoors. The Gel is very important. I had Peltors before and still spent the money to upgrade. |
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MSA Sordin Pro X FTW Negative GhostRider. The battery box contacts that Sordin uses were designed by the same assholes that designed the original EoTech battery boxes. After 1-3 years the contacts loose tension and contact with the batteries and you have a very expensive and heavy pair of regular non electronic ear muffs. MSA wants a ridiculously high amount of money to attempt to repair them, as in for $25 more you can just buy a new pair. TCI DEHP's sound better and use a TCI designed battery box that doesn't go bad like the MSA Sordin battery box. TCI buys the empty earmuff shells from MSA. The electronics and all the important bits are made in house by TCI. They ain't cheap but the won't leave you hanging. TCI will convert them to single or two radio version Liberators for a reasonable amount. |
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Yep, these.. ^^ I think I'd still double up at an indoor range though. Outdoors they're fantastic. Quoted:
Yep, these.. ^^ I think I'd still double up at an indoor range though. Outdoors they're fantastic. +1 |
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Quoted: Negative GhostRider. The battery box contacts that Sordin uses were designed by the same assholes that designed the original EoTech battery boxes. After 1-3 years the contacts loose tension and contact with the batteries and you have a very expensive and heavy pair of regular non electronic ear muffs. MSA wants a ridiculously high amount of money to attempt to repair them, as in for $25 more you can just buy a new pair. TCI DEHP's sound better and use a TCI designed battery box that doesn't go bad like the MSA Sordin battery box. TCI buys the empty earmuff shells from MSA. The electronics and all the important bits are made in house by TCI. They ain't cheap but the won't leave you hanging. TCI will convert them to single or two radio version Liberators for a reasonable amount. Quoted: Quoted: MSA Sordin Pro X FTW Negative GhostRider. The battery box contacts that Sordin uses were designed by the same assholes that designed the original EoTech battery boxes. After 1-3 years the contacts loose tension and contact with the batteries and you have a very expensive and heavy pair of regular non electronic ear muffs. MSA wants a ridiculously high amount of money to attempt to repair them, as in for $25 more you can just buy a new pair. TCI DEHP's sound better and use a TCI designed battery box that doesn't go bad like the MSA Sordin battery box. TCI buys the empty earmuff shells from MSA. The electronics and all the important bits are made in house by TCI. They ain't cheap but the won't leave you hanging. TCI will convert them to single or two radio version Liberators for a reasonable amount. I could be wrong. |
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They have a 5 year warranty. My entire shooting group uses these and none of us have had an issue, some of these guys have been running them much longer than 1-3. Its not that I don't believe you, its just that I think this is a case of people overestimating how much of an issue this actually is. I could be wrong. Quoted:
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MSA Sordin Pro X FTW Negative GhostRider. The battery box contacts that Sordin uses were designed by the same assholes that designed the original EoTech battery boxes. After 1-3 years the contacts loose tension and contact with the batteries and you have a very expensive and heavy pair of regular non electronic ear muffs. MSA wants a ridiculously high amount of money to attempt to repair them, as in for $25 more you can just buy a new pair. TCI DEHP's sound better and use a TCI designed battery box that doesn't go bad like the MSA Sordin battery box. TCI buys the empty earmuff shells from MSA. The electronics and all the important bits are made in house by TCI. They ain't cheap but the won't leave you hanging. TCI will convert them to single or two radio version Liberators for a reasonable amount. I could be wrong. I believe older generations of Sordins had the issue. I do believe the Pro-X's have changed the design. |
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I read lots of good comments on these, but personally, I'd rather have a pair with a higher NRR, like 30 or greater. Maybe it's because my hearing is getting worse and I want the most protection I can get. ..."Automatically blocks noise above 82 dB, noise reduction rating: NRR 22"... |
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Another +1 for these Same here. Makes range time much more enjoyable when you don't have to pull ear pro back to talk. |
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Another +1 for these NRR 22? Only if you're wearing plugs underneath, and even then it's questionable. Electronic muffs generally suck at noise reduction. If you don't NEED the electronic portion for ambient sound, just use a very good pair of standard hearing protection, I'd suggest the Leightning L3 for example. Indoors doubling up with plugs is also recommended. Also make sure you're getting a good seal with the earmuffs over earpieces for glasses etc. |
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Quoted: NRR 22? Only if you're wearing plugs underneath, and even then it's questionable. Electronic muffs generally suck at noise reduction. If you don't NEED the electronic portion for ambient sound, just use a very good pair of standard hearing protection, I'd suggest the Leightning L3 for example. Indoors doubling up with plugs is also recommended. Also make sure you're getting a good seal with the earmuffs over earpieces for glasses etc. Quoted: Quoted: NRR 22? Only if you're wearing plugs underneath, and even then it's questionable. Electronic muffs generally suck at noise reduction. If you don't NEED the electronic portion for ambient sound, just use a very good pair of standard hearing protection, I'd suggest the Leightning L3 for example. Indoors doubling up with plugs is also recommended. Also make sure you're getting a good seal with the earmuffs over earpieces for glasses etc. Uh...What? Cite?  |
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Another +1 for these NRR 22? Only if you're wearing plugs underneath, and even then it's questionable. Electronic muffs generally suck at noise reduction. If you don't NEED the electronic portion for ambient sound, just use a very good pair of standard hearing protection, I'd suggest the Leightning L3 for example. Indoors doubling up with plugs is also recommended. Also make sure you're getting a good seal with the earmuffs over earpieces for glasses etc. Uh...What? Cite?
It's right there on the page that was linked: noise reduction rating: NRR 22 |
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I never got those to fit right, the gap between the muffs and the arms of my ear protection cause too much sound to get in. |
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NRR 22? Only if you're wearing plugs underneath, and even then it's questionable. Electronic muffs generally suck at noise reduction. If you don't NEED the electronic portion for ambient sound, just use a very good pair of standard hearing protection, I'd suggest the Leightning L3 for example. Indoors doubling up with plugs is also recommended. Also make sure you're getting a good seal with the earmuffs over earpieces for glasses etc. Uh...What? Cite?
It's right there on the page that was linked: noise reduction rating: NRR 22 You said the NRR 22 was false. |
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MSA Sordin Pro X FTW Can these be worn with the strap going around the back of the head? I have found that on my range days I always move the strap to the back vs having it going over the top, as people traditionally wear headphones/earpro. Right now my setup is a cheap pair of non-electronic muffs (just about cheaper than a pie at your local pizza shop) in addition to Surefire's SonicDefenders. I am in the market for a nice pair of electronics. Has anyone worn these for an 8 hour range session? How long are you getting between battery changes? |
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I've been shooting high power competition for 40 years. Over that time my ears started to ring. Now I ALWAYS use double protection. Inside the ear canal and muffs. It's the ONLY way to be sure of proper protection if you do a lot of shooting. This actually works reasonably well with electronic muffs. Crank the volume up on the electronics to help you overcome the plugs so you can hear range commands and the like. Howard Leight has a set of electronic muffs that are rated for like 28dB, I am thinking about getting a pair of those. Although the Peltors I tried at the shot show had much better sound quality. |
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Same here. Makes range time much more enjoyable when you don't have to pull ear pro back to talk. Quoted:
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Another +1 for these Same here. Makes range time much more enjoyable when you don't have to pull ear pro back to talk. bingo... last range trip I forgot my electronics was talking to my wife so I pulled my ear pro to hear her... looked down loading a mag and BOOM guy was shooting just down from us. paid for it for the rest of the day 
ETA: thread reminded me, I have a pile of surefire ear pros that are MIA |