Posted: 12/31/2013 8:30:11 AM EDT
| Do we have any vendors on here that sell these and give an arcom discount? Im wanting one with the ADM attachment, but am having a hard swallowing the $280 + ship price. |
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Just save a few bucks and get 2 Harris bipods, so you can't brag about owning an overpriced bipod, big deal. Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate shooting for me as well. For f-class TR I'd use a Atlas for sure. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. With those rifles I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. .223/5.56 ARs dont recoil enough to matter. For some kind of 3 gun stage the harris wins for sure. I also use one primarily for 'tactical precision rifle' matches due to stage time constraints. |
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Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate for me as well. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. Quoted:
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Just save a few bucks and get 2 Harris bipods, so you can't brag about owning an overpriced bipod, big deal. Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate for me as well. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. Look at something like the 2013 Sniper's Hide cup where some equipment data is available. Why do you figure it is that the top shooters, who can use any gear they want, all (at least 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 6th... 2nd and 5th didn't report gear) use Harris bipods? In fact it seems that at any of the real big matches you see a real tendency towards Harris bipods at the top of the standings. |
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Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate shooting for me as well. For f-class TR I'd use a Atlas for sure. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. For some kind of 3 gun stage the harris wins for sure. I also use one primarily for 'tactical precision rifle' matches due to stage time constraints. Quoted:
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Just save a few bucks and get 2 Harris bipods, so you can't brag about owning an overpriced bipod, big deal. Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate shooting for me as well. For f-class TR I'd use a Atlas for sure. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. For some kind of 3 gun stage the harris wins for sure. I also use one primarily for 'tactical precision rifle' matches due to stage time constraints. Harris loads just fine. |
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Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate shooting for me as well. For f-class TR I'd use a Atlas for sure. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. For some kind of 3 gun stage the harris wins for sure. I also use one primarily for 'tactical precision rifle' matches due to stage time constraints. Quoted:
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Just save a few bucks and get 2 Harris bipods, so you can't brag about owning an overpriced bipod, big deal. Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate shooting for me as well. For f-class TR I'd use a Atlas for sure. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. For some kind of 3 gun stage the harris wins for sure. I also use one primarily for 'tactical precision rifle' matches due to stage time constraints. I found the Atlas to be slow, wobbly and expensive.... for Precision Rifle.... My Atlas took a solid quarter minute rifle and turned it instantly into half minute. Wish I'd tried one first. Expensive lesson. Love my Harris' OP... try one first if you can. John |
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Just save a few bucks and get 2 Harris bipods, so you can't brag about owning an overpriced bipod, big deal. Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate shooting for me as well. For f-class TR I'd use a Atlas for sure. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. For some kind of 3 gun stage the harris wins for sure. I also use one primarily for 'tactical precision rifle' matches due to stage time constraints. Harris loads just fine. It does. But in my opinion not as well as the Atlas... To me.. when you load the Atlas you get a few noticeable degrees of forward lean on the legs. During recoil the rifle is driven back and that little bit of forward and rearward lean creates a hinge to allow the rifle to recoil on. As a result it helps a less then perfect position suppress any bipod hop. Especially with heavier recoiling rifles on low grip surfaces like concrete as the harris as a tendency for me to just slide forward when I try to load it up. Quoted:
I found the Atlas to be slow, wobbly and expensive.... for Precision Rifle.... My Atlas took a solid quarter minute rifle and turned it instantly into half minute. Wish I'd tried one first. Expensive lesson. Love my Harris' OP... try one first if you can. John Hmm, mine with the tension knob for the AI spigot mount as solid with the friction set high was not loose at all. The only play was the forward and rearward sway which was negated as it was always pressed into the limit of the forward play... |
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It does. But in my opinion not as well as the Atlas... To me.. when you load the Atlas you get a few noticeable degrees of forward lean on the legs. During recoil the rifle is driven back and that little bit of forward and rearward lean creates a hinge to allow the rifle to recoil on. As a result it helps a less then perfect position suppress any bipod hop. Especially with heavier recoiling rifles on low grip surfaces like concrete as the harris as a tendency for me to just slide forward when I try to load it up. Hmm, mine with the tension knob for the AI spigot mount as solid with the friction set high was not loose at all. The only play was the forward and rearward sway which was negated as it was always pressed into the limit of the forward play... Does the rifle really need so much preloading to shoot well? What happens when you're in a position where you can't use the Atlas to lean into the rifle with all your might? |
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It does. But in my opinion not as well as the Atlas... To me.. when you load the Atlas you get a few noticeable degrees of forward lean on the legs. During recoil the rifle is driven back and that little bit of forward and rearward lean (a desirable slop really) creates a hinge to allow the rifle to recoil on. As a result it helps a less then perfect position suppress any bipod hop. Especially with heavier recoiling rifles on low grip surfaces like concrete as the harris as a tendency for me to just slide forward when I try to load it up. Quoted:
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Just save a few bucks and get 2 Harris bipods, so you can't brag about owning an overpriced bipod, big deal. Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate shooting for me as well. For f-class TR I'd use a Atlas for sure. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. For some kind of 3 gun stage the harris wins for sure. I also use one primarily for 'tactical precision rifle' matches due to stage time constraints. Harris loads just fine. It does. But in my opinion not as well as the Atlas... To me.. when you load the Atlas you get a few noticeable degrees of forward lean on the legs. During recoil the rifle is driven back and that little bit of forward and rearward lean (a desirable slop really) creates a hinge to allow the rifle to recoil on. As a result it helps a less then perfect position suppress any bipod hop. Especially with heavier recoiling rifles on low grip surfaces like concrete as the harris as a tendency for me to just slide forward when I try to load it up. Yeah I have trouble loading my Harris on smooth surfaces unless I can find a seam or crack to hook the feet on or set it on a $1 towel that is in my range bag. I am normally shooting on the ground, often uneven so the swivel and 9-13" extension is nice. |
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Look at something like the 2013 Sniper's Hide cup where some equipment data is available. Why do you figure it is that the top shooters, who can use any gear they want, all (at least 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 6th... 2nd and 5th didn't report gear) use Harris bipods? In fact it seems that at any of the real big matches you see a real tendency towards Harris bipods at the top of the standings. Quoted:
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Just save a few bucks and get 2 Harris bipods, so you can't brag about owning an overpriced bipod, big deal. Bro, do you even precision rifle? They take longer to set up but in my experience they have been easier for me to pre-load vs the harris (due to the little bit of forward and rearward play in the legs). Overall they have been more conducive to accurate for me as well. The harris on the other hand was easier to set up quickly and, if my position is carefully taken behind it, just as capable of providing a solid platform as the atlas. Pre-load is only really an issue on this bipod for me with lighter .308 and larger rifles. I have to be much more careful on being straight behind the rifle for sure. Look at something like the 2013 Sniper's Hide cup where some equipment data is available. Why do you figure it is that the top shooters, who can use any gear they want, all (at least 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 6th... 2nd and 5th didn't report gear) use Harris bipods? In fact it seems that at any of the real big matches you see a real tendency towards Harris bipods at the top of the standings. That's what happened with the guys I shoot with. Atlas came out, everyone had to have the new and shiny... a few months later, Harris was back on their rifle. |
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Does the rifle really need so much preloading to shoot well? What happens when you're in a position where you can't use the Atlas to lean into the rifle with all your might? Quoted:
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It does. But in my opinion not as well as the Atlas... To me.. when you load the Atlas you get a few noticeable degrees of forward lean on the legs. During recoil the rifle is driven back and that little bit of forward and rearward lean creates a hinge to allow the rifle to recoil on. As a result it helps a less then perfect position suppress any bipod hop. Especially with heavier recoiling rifles on low grip surfaces like concrete as the harris as a tendency for me to just slide forward when I try to load it up. Hmm, mine with the tension knob for the AI spigot mount as solid with the friction set high was not loose at all. The only play was the forward and rearward sway which was negated as it was always pressed into the limit of the forward play... Does the rifle really need so much preloading to shoot well? What happens when you're in a position where you can't use the Atlas to lean into the rifle with all your might? No, it doesnt. :) I shot a 20" .308 with a plain muzzle for a while that had a fair amount of recoil due to a somewhat low weight. It needed a much different approach to shooting position then my suppressed 6.5creedmoor I now shoot. The creed can be practically free-recoiled and still produce a good group where the .308 almost demanded to be "hard-held." Just sharing my experience with these.. Dont get me wrong I've owned own both (atlas with spigot, atlas with adm mount + accushot AI spigot rail adapter, and larue harris brm + Ai spigot) but have settled into just using the harris. I use it more often in matches so I prefer to practice and play with it more to help my usually shitty match performance. Quoted:
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Look at something like the 2013 Sniper's Hide cup where some equipment data is available. Why do you figure it is that the top shooters, who can use any gear they want, all (at least 1st, 3rd, 4th, and 6th... 2nd and 5th didn't report gear) use Harris bipods? In fact it seems that at any of the real big matches you see a real tendency towards Harris bipods at the top of the standings. That's what happened with the guys I shoot with. Atlas came out, everyone had to have the new and shiny... a few months later, Harris was back on their rifle. It was the 2011 or 2012 AZ TPRC that did it for me... Way too many obstacles that required bipod folding and adjustment for the Atlas and way too little static belly shooting for it to really shine for me. |
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No, it doesnt. :) I shot a 20" .308 with a plain muzzle for a while that had a fair amount of recoil due to a somewhat low weight. It needed a much different approach to shooting position then my suppressed 6.5creedmoor I now shoot. The creed can be practically free-recoiled and still produce a good group where the .308 almost demanded to be "hard-held." Just sharing my experience with these.. Dont get me wrong I've owned own both (atlas with spigot, atlas with adm mount + accushot AI spigot rail adapter, and larue harris brm + Ai spigot) but have settled into just using the harris. I use it more often in matches so I prefer to practice and play with it more to help my usually shitty match performance. Quoted:
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It does. But in my opinion not as well as the Atlas... To me.. when you load the Atlas you get a few noticeable degrees of forward lean on the legs. During recoil the rifle is driven back and that little bit of forward and rearward lean creates a hinge to allow the rifle to recoil on. As a result it helps a less then perfect position suppress any bipod hop. Especially with heavier recoiling rifles on low grip surfaces like concrete as the harris as a tendency for me to just slide forward when I try to load it up. Hmm, mine with the tension knob for the AI spigot mount as solid with the friction set high was not loose at all. The only play was the forward and rearward sway which was negated as it was always pressed into the limit of the forward play... Does the rifle really need so much preloading to shoot well? What happens when you're in a position where you can't use the Atlas to lean into the rifle with all your might? No, it doesnt. :) I shot a 20" .308 with a plain muzzle for a while that had a fair amount of recoil due to a somewhat low weight. It needed a much different approach to shooting position then my suppressed 6.5creedmoor I now shoot. The creed can be practically free-recoiled and still produce a good group where the .308 almost demanded to be "hard-held." Just sharing my experience with these.. Dont get me wrong I've owned own both (atlas with spigot, atlas with adm mount + accushot AI spigot rail adapter, and larue harris brm + Ai spigot) but have settled into just using the harris. I use it more often in matches so I prefer to practice and play with it more to help my usually shitty match performance. Fair enough. Last year I had a .260 rifle I used in matches that for some reason really wanted to be pre-loaded, I wasn't a big fan. This year I moved to a 6XC and it can be shot free recoil off my Harris with no ill effects, I like it a hell of a lot more for matches, especially when shooting off barricades or other non-prone positions. |
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Fair enough. Last year I had a .260 rifle I used in matches that for some reason really wanted to be pre-loaded, I wasn't a big fan. This year I moved to a 6XC and it can be shot free recoil off my Harris with no ill effects, I like it a hell of a lot more for matches, especially when shooting off barricades or other non-prone positions. Quoted:
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It does. But in my opinion not as well as the Atlas... To me.. when you load the Atlas you get a few noticeable degrees of forward lean on the legs. During recoil the rifle is driven back and that little bit of forward and rearward lean creates a hinge to allow the rifle to recoil on. As a result it helps a less then perfect position suppress any bipod hop. Especially with heavier recoiling rifles on low grip surfaces like concrete as the harris as a tendency for me to just slide forward when I try to load it up. Hmm, mine with the tension knob for the AI spigot mount as solid with the friction set high was not loose at all. The only play was the forward and rearward sway which was negated as it was always pressed into the limit of the forward play... Does the rifle really need so much preloading to shoot well? What happens when you're in a position where you can't use the Atlas to lean into the rifle with all your might? No, it doesnt. :) I shot a 20" .308 with a plain muzzle for a while that had a fair amount of recoil due to a somewhat low weight. It needed a much different approach to shooting position then my suppressed 6.5creedmoor I now shoot. The creed can be practically free-recoiled and still produce a good group where the .308 almost demanded to be "hard-held." Just sharing my experience with these.. Dont get me wrong I've owned own both (atlas with spigot, atlas with adm mount + accushot AI spigot rail adapter, and larue harris brm + Ai spigot) but have settled into just using the harris. I use it more often in matches so I prefer to practice and play with it more to help my usually shitty match performance. Fair enough. Last year I had a .260 rifle I used in matches that for some reason really wanted to be pre-loaded, I wasn't a big fan. This year I moved to a 6XC and it can be shot free recoil off my Harris with no ill effects, I like it a hell of a lot more for matches, especially when shooting off barricades or other non-prone positions. I loved the XC I ran last year for the same reason! "Hey sprint over here then over there then over here and then shoot sub-moa from a cable reel laying at an angle" (NorCal Surefire match had an evil stage like this)... I just brought the stuff to rest the rifle on and let it free recoil on the bipod and bag. |
| For me, the Atlas doesn't lock up as solid. I have a tendency to free recoil everything and i really need the gun to not twist. The Harris with a pod lock works much better for that, as the Atlas won't lock down nearly as tightly. Maybe it is just a flaw in my shooting style, but my match results would indicate that it is not too much of a flaw. |
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I like the one I have on my .308 AR. It has a ball and socket pivot point so it pans and tilts left to right. The articulation is stiff right out of the box so you should exersice it some to loosen it up. Don't give into the temptation to lube it or else it will make it too loose.
After practicing with it a bit you can deploy it about 2 seconds slower than a Harris. Setting the legs at an angle can help on slick surfaces and takes the play out of the legs. Or just set the legs straight and preload. |