[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Top Gun question (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/24/2013 11:09:22 AM EDT
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For some reason, the gay Alan Turing thread made me think of Top Gun. One of the obvious plot holes in that movie is the hearing for Maverick. He wrecks the plane and his RIO dies. Five minutes later the board says it's not his fault, go back to flying.
What really happens in such a case, especially if the wreck happens at something like the Top Gun school? How long do they take to investigate the crash, and what happens to the crew, whether it is ruled their fault or not? Does the pilot go back and complete the school, or complete it while they investigate? Assume he suffers no major injury, of course. |
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. Usually true but in one of my units we had a mid air between two of our planes. One went down and pilot ejected, the other made it back to base with a hole in its side and missing the canopy. Both pilots sat it out for a while but eventually flew again. |
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Several of the pilots that were advisors said it was a constant battle to keep some form of accuracy, but Simpson and Bruckheimer basically wanted the Navy's super cool shit, not their opinion. Quoted:
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. Several of the pilots that were advisors said it was a constant battle to keep some form of accuracy, but Simpson and Bruckheimer basically wanted the Navy's super cool shit, not their opinion. You mean the Navy pilots don't actually go to the beach where there are a million hot women in bikinis and have a boys-only volleyball game? |
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The weirdest thing to me about that movie was the ending, where Maverick gets out and is being greeted as a hero, and then all of a sudden there is Tim Robbins as a pilot alongside Tom Cruise. 
Tim Robbins hadn't been in one scene before that... Tim Robbins is Merlin. He was Cougar's RIO at the very beginning of the movie, and was Maverick's RIO at the end. |
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The only jet my unit lost (engine failure) when I was active duty USAF was ruled a mechanical failure. Pilot ejected safely, was treated for minor riser burn, and RTD the next day. He didn't fly again until the investigation was complete, but IIRC it was less than a month.
A sister squadron lost one to GLOC: that pilot was able to eject at the last second and suffered so many injuries on landing that he never returned to flight status. Each incident is different and the investigations will vary based on the nature of the loss and the available evidence. I would guess that a NFWS student cleared of fault in a mishap would most likely have to cycle in with another class at the conclusion of the board. You don't just graduate based on "points;" you need to complete the entire curriculum in order to take what you've learned back to your unit. |
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. But shooting down a friendly isn't. 
http://nation.time.com/2012/02/17/navy-pilot-who-shot-down-u-s-plane-makes-admiral/ |
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Quoted: You mean the Navy pilots don't actually go to the beach where there are a million hot women in bikinis and have a boys-only volleyball game? Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. Several of the pilots that were advisors said it was a constant battle to keep some form of accuracy, but Simpson and Bruckheimer basically wanted the Navy's super cool shit, not their opinion. You mean the Navy pilots don't actually go to the beach where there are a million hot women in bikinis and have a boys-only volleyball game? |
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Tim Robbins is Merlin. He was Cougar's RIO at the very beginning of the movie, and was Maverick's RIO at the end. Quoted:
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The weirdest thing to me about that movie was the ending, where Maverick gets out and is being greeted as a hero, and then all of a sudden there is Tim Robbins as a pilot alongside Tom Cruise.
Tim Robbins hadn't been in one scene before that... Tim Robbins is Merlin. He was Cougar's RIO at the very beginning of the movie, and was Maverick's RIO at the end. Right, but he is not shown (his face) before that scene, iirc. And he only had one scene with Maverick before that point, and his helmet was on, obv. |
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You mean the Navy pilots don't actually go to the beach where there are a million hot women in bikinis and have a boys-only volleyball game? Quoted:
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. Several of the pilots that were advisors said it was a constant battle to keep some form of accuracy, but Simpson and Bruckheimer basically wanted the Navy's super cool shit, not their opinion. You mean the Navy pilots don't actually go to the beach where there are a million hot women in bikinis and have a boys-only volleyball game? Usually when us squids go to a beach, it is known as a sausage fest. |
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Quoted: I remember when the movie came out actual aviators were saying Maverick would have lost his wings for the tower buzzing.... Off on a tangent... I read the autobiography of the pilot of the Memphis Bell. When the Belle returned to the US to start the bond raising tour, Gen Arnold gave the pilot permission to buzz any place where it was safe to do so. A few times complaints were filed by officers and each time they were told the Belle was acting under the direct order of Arnold. |
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5 minutes movie time = 1 month real time? I don't know how long the school lasts, or if they'd sit the pilot and let him join the next class if the investigation exonerated him. DrFeelgood cited a case that I assume was a fairly obvious mechanical failure, since the pilot returned to flight status in one month. I don't think the Top Gun school lasted very long, and the crash happened near the end of it. Besides, since it wasn't a mechanical failure, I was wondering how much of an investigation would be required to conclude that the pilot was not at fault in that incident. |
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Not true, it completely depends on the circumstance of the crash. Quoted:
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. Not true, it completely depends on the circumstance of the crash. This is true. I was referring to accidents that were caused by pilot error or accidents caused by a total disregard of safety regulations. |
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Not true, it completely depends on the circumstance of the crash. Quoted:
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. Not true, it completely depends on the circumstance of the crash. Yup. I knew a couple of pilots who had bailed out and eventually made it back to flight status. |
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. LoL, <Yoda> Talking out your ass you are 13'er> My father and his fellow Navy/Marine Aviators would disagree. Grounding a warship/Submarine, certainly, crashing an airplane in absence of intentionally reckless behavior or pure incompetence not an issue. I know an Admiral (now retired) who is twice a member of the Caterpillar Club. |
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LoL, <Yoda> Talking out your ass you are 13'er> My father and his fellow Navy/Marine Aviators would disagree. Grounding a warship/Submarine, certainly, crashing an airplane in absence of intentionally reckless behavior or pure incompetence not an issue. I know an Admiral (now retired) who is twice a member of the Caterpillar Club. Quoted:
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. LoL, <Yoda> Talking out your ass you are 13'er> My father and his fellow Navy/Marine Aviators would disagree. Grounding a warship/Submarine, certainly, crashing an airplane in absence of intentionally reckless behavior or pure incompetence not an issue. I know an Admiral (now retired) who is twice a member of the Caterpillar Club. Were you in the Navy? |
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http://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/milpersman/1000/1600Performance/Documents/1610-020.pdf
FNAEB = Field Naval Aviator Evaluation Board Maverick would have gone before one of these for buzzing the tower and for disobeying lawful orders while acting as a flight crew member of a Naval Aircraft. I have known 6 pilots who "crashed" Naval aircraft for various reasons including the death of a military member and two foreign nationals (non-combat related). All went before a FNAEB, all were cleared to go flying again. I know two guys who were sent to FNAEB's, one guy was medically disqualified (he passed out while acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on two separate occasions). His FNAEB had no impact on his career, he retired as a Captain in the Navy. Another guy landed at the wrong airport AFTER his Enlisted crew told him he was landing at the wrong airport. The airport he was supposed to land at was in the USA, the airport he landed at was in Canada. He lost his flight status (but not his wings) and retired as a LCDR without ever screening for a department head tour. |
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I cant remember when I read it, but sometime after the movie came out, an officer wrote an Approach (U.S. Navy Safety Center publication for pilots and aircrew) article on the Maverick character. It was pretty damn good, and basically said that he would have never made it to the boat for his first cruise. Still, the officer went on to say that while a single Maverick may not exist in the Navy, most folks could relate to someone, even themselves, who did really dumb shit in the drivers seat once or maybe even twice and probably got away with it, but in truth nobody likes "that guy" on their team.
Wish I had saved it. |
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Tim Robbins is Merlin. He was Cougar's RIO at the very beginning of the movie, and was Maverick's RIO at the end. Quoted:
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The weirdest thing to me about that movie was the ending, where Maverick gets out and is being greeted as a hero, and then all of a sudden there is Tim Robbins as a pilot alongside Tom Cruise.
Tim Robbins hadn't been in one scene before that... Tim Robbins is Merlin. He was Cougar's RIO at the very beginning of the movie, and was Maverick's RIO at the end. Yep. Go back and rewatch. He had his mask on in all his scenes at the beginning as Couger's RIO, so it was hard to tell it was him, but it was. |
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Never saw the movie. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_FEkxtl1-FKs/TJHSj7YI8AI/AAAAAAAAAv4/xhPdTDJSfJw/s1600/You+know+how+I+know+you%E2%80%99re+gay.jpg 
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The only jet my unit lost (engine failure) when I was active duty USAF was ruled a mechanical failure. Pilot ejected safely, was treated for minor riser burn, and RTD the next day. He didn't fly again until the investigation was complete, but IIRC it was less than a month. A sister squadron lost one to GLOC: that pilot was able to eject at the last second and suffered so many injuries on landing that he never returned to flight status. Each incident is different and the investigations will vary based on the nature of the loss and the available evidence. I would guess that a NFWS student cleared of fault in a mishap would most likely have to cycle in with another class at the conclusion of the board. You don't just graduate based on "points;" you need to complete the entire curriculum in order to take what you've learned back to your unit. Damn! Kboom take out an engine or something? |
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Holy crap I can not un see.
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OMG...a woman got older and is now no longer attractive?  
Whodda thunk it? she might was well be dead right?  Quoted:
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Thread needs moar poll: Kelly McGillis or Meg Ryan ?? 
(warning, do NOT google Kelly McGillis now)  OMG...a woman got older and is now no longer attractive?
Whodda thunk it? she might was well be dead right? |
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I was a projectionist on the old reel-to-reel multi-projector equipment when this movie came out
the trailer reel was in non-scoped lens, so I had to stick the scope lens on for the second reel and then try to focus the projector while jets were zooming around |
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The weirdest thing to me about that movie was the ending, where Maverick gets out and is being greeted as a hero, and then all of a sudden there is Tim Robbins as a pilot alongside Tom Cruise.
Tim Robbins hadn't been in one scene before that... Yes he was. He was Cougar's RIO at the begining of the movie. He was then Mavericks RIO for the final dogfight. The part that they had to fly Maveric, Hollywood, Wolfman, Slider, and Iceman to the crisis was idiotic. Made it seem like none of the F-14 crews already onboard were capable of handling the crisis. 
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Losing an aircraft is usually a career ender. http://thereaganwing.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/mccain-laughing-close.jpg Ya know, as much as I despise his politics...being shot down in a combat zone [then held for years as a POW] is an entirely different situation. |