Posted: 11/30/2002 1:11:28 PM EDT
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[url]http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=739859479[/url] The rarest of all M-16s...[rolleyes] |
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??? enfield of some sorts, I don't know what the hell that is sticking out of the stock right under the bbl. I think it was a spoof of sorts, it was canceled: The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available for sale. Someone probably 'educated' him if it in fact was an "honest" post (but I doubt it!) [:)] |
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Someone on DUh found it in grandpa's closet and decided to sell it. After all, aren't ALL rifles copis of the M-16, I mean, they are the ONLY rifles used in crime! (But if it gets me $30 dollars, I could care less what happens to all the innocent children the evil weapon will surely devour! Long live Al Gore!) |
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It may well be marked Mle 16 on it. It could very well be a Model 1916 long rifle cut down to fit a Carbine stock. This occured alot between the wars because, well, the long rifles were just to big. I hate to say, but technically, it could be an M-16, and it very well could be a Vietnam bring back as the French lost a lot of those over there. Without the paperwork its just a nice story. It pre-dates the Stoner design by about 40 years too. I also would like to point out that the French never lost because of their weapons (ok, well, may be they lost occasionaly because of the Chauchat). The French may have some funky looking guns, but it was their leadership, their training, and their lack of the will to fight that won them the well deserved title of wine swilling surrender monkeys. There were Americans and Brits that were issued M.15 and M.16 Berthiers in Flanders during WWI and they did just fine with them. The only real fault of the Berthier was its Mannlicher loading clip, and half the German army had that in their Gew88 commission rifles. I have both a Gew88 and a M.15 Berthier long-rifle, and so long as you have a steady supply of ammo, the rifles are perfectly effective and servicable weapons. With handloads the Gew88 is a slight bit more accurate, producing .75" groups at 100m, and the Berthier is right around an inch from the rests. The carbine pictured there however is a real shoulder-beater, right up there with the M.59 Mosins, the No5 Jungle Carbines, and the Breda Carcano 8mm Short Rifles. WHAM. |
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Looks like an Enfield #6 Jungle carbine. Cleaning rod in the fore stock. French used them sometimes as well as captured or purchased via black market for the Viet Minh. Or, it could be a heavily modified M16 changed to bolt action with wood stocks, rechambered to .303 brit. Maybe corrosion got to it. It looks military, therefore it HAS to be military and aren't all of them M16's? |
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Its definitly NOT an Enfield. It IS definitly a Berthier. Completely, completely, completely different guns. And everyone used the Jungle Carbine, but officialy the only armies that used it in South East Asia were the British, Malay, and Indonesian. Its a Berthier carbine. I own one, and I'm going to try and one this one too, for $30 I can burn off the 1,100 rounds of 8x50R I have. |
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Quoted:... I also would like to point out that the French never lost because of their weapons (ok, well, may be they lost occasionaly because of the Chauchat). Of course, you can't have a FTF without pulling the trigger, either. The French may have some funky looking guns, but it was their leadership, their training, and their lack of the will to fight that won them the well deserved title of wine swilling surrender monkeys. wine swilling surrender monkeys...LMFAO!!! |
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Quoted: French eh? Wonder how many times it was dropped... Twice at the arsenal by the drunk plant foreman. 3 times by the drunk factory workers while trying to load it into the truck. Once by the drunk quartermaster. Once by the the infantryman after hearing someone say. "Hey look, Germans" Once by the German soldier after picking it up, looking back at his Mauser, then tossing it back to the ground. Once more by a French soldier after hearing someone say "Hey look, the natives are revolting." And finally one more time by the VC who tried to use it against the U.S. Marines armed with M14's. [:D] |
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Quoted: Quoted: French eh? Wonder how many times it was dropped... Twice at the arsenal by the drunk plant foreman. 3 times by the drunk factory workers while trying to load it into the truck. Once by the drunk quartermaster. Once by the the infantryman after hearing someone say. "Hey look, Germans" Once by the German soldier after picking it up, looking back at his Mauser, then tossing it back to the ground. Once more by a French soldier after hearing someone say "Hey look, the natives are revolting." And finally one more time by the VC who tried to use it against the U.S. Marines armed with M14's. [:D] LMAO. You should write "a German history of France" [>]:)] |
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(to the tune of "When Johnny Comes Marching Home) [b]The Nazi soldiers crossed the Rhine, taboo, taboo. The Nazi soldiers crossed the Rhine, taboo, taboo. The Nazi Soldiers crossed Rhine, they ravished the women and drank the wine, and they all sang 'seig heil, tickle my ass, taboo'[/b] My apologies for not being PC, but this was how we sung it in the Scouts when I was younger. There are something like 100 verses or more, but thats the original. |