[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Point shooting (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/2/2013 9:41:47 PM EDT
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Does the military really teach this? ETA: Some guy in tech forms keeps claiming to just point shoot within 10 yards so I searched it up if anyone actually tried teaching this, and what do you know.
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Does the military really teach this? ETA: Some guy in tech forms keeps claiming to just point shoot within 10 yards so I searched it up if anyone actually tried teaching this, and what do you know.  http://youtu.be/4qS69Cn6NE4
Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro? |
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Quoted: Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro? Quoted: Quoted: Does the military really teach this? ETA: Some guy in tech forms keeps claiming to just point shoot within 10 yards so I searched it up if anyone actually tried teaching this, and what do you know. http://youtu.be/4qS69Cn6NE4Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro?  |
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Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro? Quoted:
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Does the military really teach this? ETA: Some guy in tech forms keeps claiming to just point shoot within 10 yards so I searched it up if anyone actually tried teaching this, and what do you know. http://youtu.be/4qS69Cn6NE4
Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro?  Here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about.
There are no 'person sized targets'. Your enemy will be hiding behind things. Guess what I do in CQB? I use my fucking sights. |
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Quoted: "Quick kill" has been around for a LONG time, and rehashed from time to time. It seems that as soon as it fades in the Military, somebody digs it back up and tweaks it a bit. It wouldn't surprise me to see it popping up again. I am interested in learning more about this now.
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Here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about.
There are no 'person sized targets'. Your enemy will be hiding behind things. Guess what I do in CQB? I use my fucking sights. Quoted:
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Does the military really teach this? ETA: Some guy in tech forms keeps claiming to just point shoot within 10 yards so I searched it up if anyone actually tried teaching this, and what do you know. http://youtu.be/4qS69Cn6NE4
Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro? Here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about.
There are no 'person sized targets'. Your enemy will be hiding behind things. Guess what I do in CQB? I use my fucking sights. I didnt say anything about anyone hiding behind anything nor did I say I agree with the technique. I said if you cannot hit a person at inside 10 yards like described in the video by point shooting you fail at life. but hey this is GD after all and reading is for faggots. 
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Quoted: I remember vaguely being taught that. But with the rise of the PEQ-15/16, the visible laser comes in handy in room clearing. I was also told that if your butt stock is muddy and the hole is covered in mud (the hole from the buffer tube), your gun will blow up  |
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Next range trip I am going to point shoot and see how well I do at 10 yards. Quoted:
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I remember vaguely being taught that. But with the rise of the PEQ-15/16, the visible laser comes in handy in room clearing. I was also told that if your butt stock is muddy and the hole is covered in mud (the hole from the buffer tube), your gun will blow up There are some techniques that help - but 99% of the time it is preferable to use your sights. |
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I remember vaguely being taught that. But with the rise of the PEQ-15/16, the visible laser comes in handy in room clearing. I was also told that if your butt stock is muddy and the hole is covered in mud (the hole from the buffer tube), your gun will blow up No. |
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Quoted: There are some techniques that help - but 99% of the time it is preferable to use your sights. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I remember vaguely being taught that. But with the rise of the PEQ-15/16, the visible laser comes in handy in room clearing. I was also told that if your butt stock is muddy and the hole is covered in mud (the hole from the buffer tube), your gun will blow up There are some techniques that help - but 99% of the time it is preferable to use your sights. As of right now I don't think I can go any faster that that.
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I remember vaguely being taught that. But with the rise of the PEQ-15/16, the visible laser comes in handy in room clearing. I was also told that if your butt stock is muddy and the hole is covered in mud (the hole from the buffer tube), your gun will blow up No. Yes |
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I remember vaguely being taught that. But with the rise of the PEQ-15/16, the visible laser comes in handy in room clearing. I was also told that if your butt stock is muddy and the hole is covered in mud (the hole from the buffer tube), your gun will blow up No. Yes No. I can't imagine a visible laser being useful in room clearing. |
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snip No. I can't imagine a visible laser being useful in room clearing. I can. Are you using VAT's in the particular situation? I have used the visible laser on the PEQ inside buildings and find that I can get on target pretty fast. But that's the only time I have used it except for zeroing it to my ACOG. I mostly uses the PEQs IR laser, but some instances, red laser helps get on target in close environments. |
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Quoted: I have used the visible laser on the PEQ inside buildings and find that I can get on target pretty fast. But that's the only time I have used it except for zeroing it to my ACOG. I mostly uses the PEQs IR laser, but some instances, red laser helps get on target in close environments. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: snip No. I can't imagine a visible laser being useful in room clearing. I can. Are you using VAT's in the particular situation? I have used the visible laser on the PEQ inside buildings and find that I can get on target pretty fast. But that's the only time I have used it except for zeroing it to my ACOG. I mostly uses the PEQs IR laser, but some instances, red laser helps get on target in close environments. |
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I have used the visible laser on the PEQ inside buildings and find that I can get on target pretty fast. But that's the only time I have used it except for zeroing it to my ACOG. I mostly uses the PEQs IR laser, but some instances, red laser helps get on target in close environments. Quoted:
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snip No. I can't imagine a visible laser being useful in room clearing. I can. Are you using VAT's in the particular situation? I have used the visible laser on the PEQ inside buildings and find that I can get on target pretty fast. But that's the only time I have used it except for zeroing it to my ACOG. I mostly uses the PEQs IR laser, but some instances, red laser helps get on target in close environments. We'll agree to disagree. If you had positive experience with it I'll accept that. For me, we went IR until we took a compound, then went white light. With your experience, why are you working retail bro? |
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when using the laser to you still cheek your carbine? Quoted:
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snip No. I can't imagine a visible laser being useful in room clearing. I can. Are you using VAT's in the particular situation? I have used the visible laser on the PEQ inside buildings and find that I can get on target pretty fast. But that's the only time I have used it except for zeroing it to my ACOG. I mostly uses the PEQs IR laser, but some instances, red laser helps get on target in close environments. I shoulder it. In whatever the case I may need the ACOG, it's only a head tilt away. |
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snip With your experience, why are you working retail bro? Waiting for a Firefighter position to open up 
To reiterate my use of the red laser, I used it on knocks where lights/lanterns/candles were on. Only a few times did we make entry into a completely dark building while they were sleeping where the IR laser was used. |
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R Lee Ermey hip shooting an M16:
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Quoted: Interesting that he didn't emphasize that it is important to have your head at 12 o'clock, above the rifle. IIRC, It is a technique originally crafted for using with the Thompson for trench clearing. |
Marine Corps Cadre taught us to do that within 10 yards with a M9, and just about any range with the M500, still reflexively do it during my quarterly qualifications with my HK 
EDIT: As far as accuracy goes, I can keep it within the 9 ring out to about 7 yards with 2-3 rounds at a time, as 5 yards I can do "body armor drills" (2 chest 1 head) on 2 seperate side-by-side targets without missing, out to 10yards it goes into the 8 and drops off from there sharply. I'm not incapable of using the sights mind you, but I'm stupidly faster with point shooting. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Interesting that he didn't emphasize that it is important to have your head at 12 o'clock, above the rifle. IIRC, It is a technique originally crafted for using with the Thompson for trench clearing. Literally, you point that finger at what you want to hit for quick shots. |
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Thanks for the info. I am interested in learning more about this now. Quoted:
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"Quick kill" has been around for a LONG time, and rehashed from time to time. It seems that as soon as it fades in the Military, somebody digs it back up and tweaks it a bit. It wouldn't surprise me to see it popping up again. I am interested in learning more about this now. Back in the day. Viet Nam era Army Pubs TT 23-71-1. Lots of interesting claims as to effectiveness and ineffectiveness can be found, and it is quite controversial still. Just Google it, and grab a bag of munchies. You'll be reading for a while. |
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The military looked the same from like 1985 to 2001.
I have a Picture from USMC SOI where you literally, can't date the picture. There is not a single piece of gear that can narrow it down. 
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Was that filmed in the '80's?
I have a Picture from USMC SOI where you literally, can't date the picture. There is not a single piece of gear that can narrow it down.
Post ITS is a start. Pre-Jungle boot re-issue, or floppy heel cadillac replacement fiasco period? Post 88-92 would be tough, but once the MOLLE shit started to show up it would be easy again. 
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Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro? Quoted:
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Does the military really teach this? ETA: Some guy in tech forms keeps claiming to just point shoot within 10 yards so I searched it up if anyone actually tried teaching this, and what do you know. http://youtu.be/4qS69Cn6NE4
Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro? they did when i was in. it works. this isn't for distance or room clearing in general. it is for close just outside contact distance rapid fire on target. |
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Here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about.
There are no 'person sized targets'. Your enemy will be hiding behind things. Guess what I do in CQB? I use my fucking sights. Quoted:
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Does the military really teach this? ETA: Some guy in tech forms keeps claiming to just point shoot within 10 yards so I searched it up if anyone actually tried teaching this, and what do you know. http://youtu.be/4qS69Cn6NE4
Yes they do and if you cant hit a person sized target by "point shooting" in a CQB environment you fail at life. Granted his technique looks a little odd since he is just standing there and not even squared up with his target it looks a bit different when you arent static and actually moving around. Do you even bullet button bro? Here's how I know you don't know what you're talking about.
There are no 'person sized targets'. Your enemy will be hiding behind things. Guess what I do in CQB? I use my fucking sights. Bingo. |
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