[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Their Baaaaaaack!!!!!! (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 11/11/2002 8:54:15 AM EDT
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Damn!!!! Last night I took out the garbage, 2 90 gal cans. Within 5 minutes a herd of about 10 javalina knocked them over and trashed my whole friggin driveway! I'm so pissed![pissed] I've lived in this house for almost 26 years and this only started last fall. And there isn't a damn thing I can do about it! I need to take the trash down to the street on Sunday nights because of pickup after I go to work Monday mornings. I'd dealry love to go at em with a 12 gauge or AR, but it's a $3000 per pig fine and jail. I can build an enclosure for the cans for during the week, but that doesn't help me on Sunday night and these smelly critters know exactly when Sunday rolls around. By the way, last fall I tried throwing rocks at em and I nearly had to shoot a big sow in self defense. She stopped about 2 foot away with my .45 aimed at her ugly face. I've thought of getting a crossbow so it would be quiet, but if I get caught I'd be in big trouble. If anyone in Tucson wants some free bacon, come by on Sunday night and I promise I sure as hell won't tell. Oh, and firecrackers don't work, and they don't even feel a pellet gun pumped up 10 times. Like a mosquito to those thick hided monsters. Any suggestions greatly appreciated. DEATH TO SMELLY PIG LIKE BEASTS!!! [50] |
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Just a word of advise on the crossbow thing. The crossbow is pretty quiet, but the pig screaming it's head off for 20 minutes when you shoot it isn't! Could you maybe talk to the trash guys and tell them the situation and see if they have any solutions? could you build a small enclosure at the end of the drive, again explaining to the trash guys why it's necessary? |
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you can make a 2' high box of angle iron or 2x4 to wheel your trash can into. build it so that the vertical iron bars can stick down in the dirt or be set in a concrete footing. make one side of the box a door with hinges and a bolt so the trash can may be wheeled into it. the walls of the box should be short enough to allow the arm of the garbage truck to raise the can above the walls before it begins to tip the can. leave plenty of room so the arm can easily replace the can. decorate with claymore mines and Razor ribbon around the box as needed. you can also make a little 1' high electrified fence with a solar charger that may do the same thing. |
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Could you maybe talk to the trash guys and tell them the situation and see if they have any solutions? could you build a small enclosure at the end of the drive, again explaining to the trash guys why it's necessary? Wouldn't work, the trash truck just drives up and grabs the cans with one of those mechanical arms. If the cans were inside something they'd just leave em there. What really pisses me off is that some moron in the neighborhood is probably feeding them and that's what took their fear of humans away. Like I said, for the last 26 years javalinas, coyotes or any other critters would not dare to pull this stuff. Then last fall all of a sudden the javalina got real brave. It's a good thing my wife has a calming influence on me because I was so mad last night I was going to nail em with my suppressed .45 or MP5SD or both! I really do need to think of something that will scare em away for good, but not get me into trouble. |
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Quoted: You have an MP5SD and you think you have a PROBLEM? Hell, I'm thinking AR15.com pig roast! Hey, believe me I'd have no moral qualms about it. But using a gun worth thousands, and risk loosing it and my FFL and my freedom, well that's what the wife's cool head is for. I do have access to a 37 mikemike launcher and a few airmunition practice rounds. One of these would knock one of these buggers over. They have a range of around 100 yards. But I'd have to find the blue plastic round after it bounced off the pig and that would be tough in the dark. It wouldn't break the skin and the pig would definatly have a major side ache for a long long time if not internal injuries. I just shot one right through a 1/2 inch piece of plywood at 20 yards. Made a nice perfect round hole. [}:D] |
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This is SO easy to deal with... Those javalinas probably get thirsty, so set out a nice big pan of fresh clean antifreeze for them to wash down the garbage with. They will die. Most assuredly, they will die. Their kidneys will shut down and unless there's a free piggy dialysis service, they'll be dead long before the next garbage day. But keep a close watch out and keep any "good" animals like tagged dogs away from it. (You may notice I didn't mention cats... [:D] ) May I assume that you are NOT living in a rural area? It'd be so much simpler if you did...bang bang bang! CJ |
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Quoted: I'm thinking Bulldog... Unless they're tiny javelinas, I'd say bulldog vs. pack of javelina = dead bulldog. Javelina'a are mean little bastards (at least the ones down in S. Texas are). I wouldn't want my dog to tangle with a pack of them. You in the city limits? (does it even matter in AZ?) Kill 'em. I hear that even though they're stinky, nasty animals that they make GREAT tamales. -Gloftoe |
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Quoted: Quoted: You have an MP5SD and you think you have a PROBLEM? Hell, I'm thinking AR15.com pig roast! Hey, believe me I'd have no moral qualms about it. But using a gun worth thousands, and risk loosing it and my FFL and my freedom, well that's what the wife's cool head is for. I do have access to a 37 mikemike launcher and a few airmunition practice rounds. One of these would knock one of these buggers over. They have a range of around 100 yards. But I'd have to find the blue plastic round after it bounced off the pig and that would be tough in the dark. It wouldn't break the skin and the pig would definatly have a major side ache for a long long time if not internal injuries. I just shot one right through a 1/2 inch piece of plywood at 20 yards. Made a nice perfect round hole. [}:D] seems like thiers a place that sales 37mm bird bombs and 37mm flash bombs (bird bomb with firework flash) ill look around for the place. nehow that would be your best bet to scare em off. |
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Quoted: This won't be as much fun, but why don't you just wake up 5 minutes earlier on Monday morning and put the cans in their place right before you go to work? True, but them I have to build an enclosure for the ret of the week. I'd really like to scare em off for good. They aren't stupid, just smelly and messy. Solution needs to be 1. quiet 2. non-lethal (remember $3000 fine for killing each pig plus jail time 3. scare and or sting them enough so they don't come back. |
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You're screwed I think. Now that the reward (all that yummy trash) is well known by the pack, they will keep coming back until there is no reward or they're all dead. Prevent access, or it'll keep happening. As you said, they're not stupid. Probably brighter than the city officials you're going to have to deal with to help you. Why isn't this a city taking care of this? I'd get on the phone and make it their problem. Make it known these wild animals are creating a public health problem, and you worry for the safety of the children in the neighborhood, you just don't know WHAT you would do if one got run over in the dark or something, whatever it takes. That, or start putting your trash can in front of the hated neighbor's house. [:D] |
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Quoted: This won't be as much fun, but why don't you just wake up 5 minutes earlier on Monday morning and put the cans in their place right before you go to work? This was my first thought. I don't put mine out the night before because of dogs and birds (I put out bags). |
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Quoted: my advice would be to call animal control and find out what your legal options are. i believe you do have some options when dealing with habitual animals that are deamed a nusiance. ian Ian is right on the money here. When wild animals become destructive or threatening (health hazard, in this case) the regular rules go out the window, and other measures are allowed. Make nice with the animal control people, and you will find a solution. |
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I agree with the previous posters that say your long term option is to call animal control/city officials and start screaming about it. Hey you may even get a depredation permit from the game department. In the SHORT term though, I can think of three good options that won't get you in trouble. First would be .22 Super Colibri's like a previous poster mentioned. They are quiet as a pellet rifle, 20 grains at about 500 fps. I can't think of any animal alive that wouldn't notice one in the ass. Or a pellet gun. Not a pneumatic pellet gun ala crossman, but a single stroke piston gun like an RWS, Beeman or Chinese takeoff. I've got a .22 cal chinese copy that shoots about 800 fps and they would certainly notice that. I've used it to put bulls off fences before. Use flats if you don't want it to stick and beeman silver jets if you want to leave a lasting reminder. Last option would be either a paintball gun (fun as heck) or one of those bear pepper spray guns. If it were me, I'd take my screens out and just hit them with a pellet from my air rifle *every* time I saw them. They'll either learn or die slowly of lead poisoning far from your place..... [xx(] |
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[b] Quoted: I nearly had to shoot a big sow in self defense. [50] The answer is in the original post and I couldn't believe no one sees it.[:D] SELF-DEFENSE!!!! 1 vs. 10 freedom-loving, family-man, law-abing-citizen az-larry vs. 10 badassas, mean, smelly, tough mofo. javalinas. I said it's self defense in the court of law. It's your words vs. death javalinas. Who is the court, and the jury panel to believe?[:D][:D] On the serious note: I think you need to call animal control department, like some of the members suggest. Edit to add: Baxx was 3 min. before me. |
| Assuming G&F won't help, can anyone recommend a good .22 wheel gun for the .22 Super Colibri's? I was looking for an excuse for a wheel gun anyway! Need a long barrel because of low light, must be a wheel gun since I don't think Colibri's will eject out of my Buckmark. |
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Is someone who buys Colibri by the case. (Have my 22 bullet traps next to the TV's) I don't think that is going to even break the skin, but if it does and the animal is found wounded there will be hell (and fines) to pay. I think chemical or drugs is the way to go. If there was some fast acting knockout stuff in there, then you could drag there sleeping pig butts into your garage and work from there. "Porky want a rufy cocktail?" |
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Quoted: az_larry, is .22 is enough? With its tough, thick skin, do you think .22 would kill them instantly? I don't know, that's why I ask. You don't want the wounded javalinas run around the neighborhood screaming and japping, do you? The Colibri won't kill or even wound from what I gather, just sting like hell. The object is just to scare them off. If I was going to kill them, I'd not screw around and use 12 gauge slugs. |