[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why does GD hate open carry? (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 10/2/2013 9:47:40 AM EDT
| Let me clarify the question - I'm not asking whether or not someone should carry a Draco or an AR pistol, or whether someone should act like a retard while carrying (a certain Tennessean who is banned from here being the perfect example), I'm just curious as to why a well dressed person going about their normal business should have to conceal carry if they are in an open carry permitted state? |
| In my opinion, a good number of the ones I've read about open carrying appeared to be trying to get someone to confront them about carrying, so it's almost like they had a chip on their shoulder to begin with. The people who don't know much about guns see this and it can sour them on gun owners overall. |
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Because many of the times has been someone on an "agenda" doing it. And they carry that agenda in a way that portrays an image for other gun owners that is unfavorable. Like walking through Walmart JUST to walk through it. With their friends filming them. It's clearly done for attention.
People don't like attention whores. Well, the public sees it, and they say, "gun owners are attention whores." And that's just the tip of the iceberg. |
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The only time you should open carry, is hunting. Keep your CCW concealed until you have to use it.  Excellent example of an OC Fudd. Fudd: A gun owner who supports the 2nd amendment, but only as long as you own guns he approves of. OC Fudd: A gun owner who supports the 2nd amendment, but only as long as you carry guns the way he approves of. We won the war against the Fudds; we'll win the war against the OC Fudds. Don't be an OC Fudd. |
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Because many of the times has been someone on an "agenda" doing it. And they carry that agenda in a way that portrays an image for other gun owners that is unfavorable. Like walking through Walmart JUST to walk through it. With their friends filming them. It's clearly done for attention. People don't like attention whores. Well, the public sees it, and they say, "gun owners are attention whores." And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So where do you stand on the guy who OC's in Walmart while picking up a few things, no on filming, and doesn't make a scene? |
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Well, since this has only been covered in dozens of threads and not one person changed their mind I suppose it's time for another thread.
First off, your entire premise is flawed. Some of GD dislikes the idiots that act like children getting away with something or act as obnoxious as possible about it to "preserve freedom" by annoying everyone they possibly can. I don't think anyone really cares about someone going about their daily lives while OC'ing. The other part of GD will call people fascists and freedom-haters for asking people to act like adults. |
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Never understood that myself, but surprise surprise, different areas have different cultures regarding guns. When I lived in NoVA, I OC'd all the time. Walmart, grocery store, whatever. Nobody gave me, a tall-ish, average white guy, a second glance. Didn't understand the ARF OC hate then, still don't now.
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Let me clarify the question - I'm not asking whether or not someone should carry a Draco or an AR pistol, or whether someone should act like a retard while carrying (a certain Tennessean who is banned from here being the perfect example), I'm just curious as to why a well dressed person going about their normal business should have to conceal carry if they are in an open carry permitted state? I have no problems with people exercising their rights in a responsible manner. I have no time for idiots that through their actions cast all gun owners in a bad light. Responsible open carry? Your good with me. Act like an irresponsible idiot and don't be shocked if I call you one. ETA - just to be especially clear, I continue to support the right of open carry no mater what the actions of the person doing it, but just don't expect me to be a cheerleader for the idiots. |
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We don't, we just hate the attention whoring idiots that open carry. The ones that turn public opinion against gun owners which ends up with the public electing more anti-gun legislators. This include the "It is my right, they (the public and government) just has to accept it" crowd. No they don't have to accept it, in fact the Constitution gives them the right to hate it, protest it, and pass laws to restrict it. Of course those people can't see past their own self-centered self-interest and are shocked when their rights get restricted.
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We don't hate open carry per se. We hate people who look like white trash meth addicts finger fucking their AR15 rifles at Star Bucks. Where I'm from, open carry is fairly normal and socially acceptable. However, walking around looking like a white trash slob with a meth habit while carrying an evil looking rifle makes us all look white trash slobs who have a meth habit, and the rest of us don't like that one bit. |
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Well, since this has only been covered in dozens of threads and not one person changed their mind I suppose it's time for another thread. First off, your entire premise is flawed. Some of GD dislikes the idiots that act like children getting away with something or act as obnoxious as possible about it to "preserve freedom" by annoying everyone they possibly can. I don't think anyone really cares about someone going about their daily lives while OC'ing. The other part of GD will call people fascists and freedom-haters for asking people to act like adults. THIS ^ |
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GD confuses the issue. There is a difference between walking into a 711 to get a Slurpee with a Glock 21 and spare mag on your belt and walking into Starbucks with an AR15 at "battle-ready" One is an attention whore asshole, the other is just some dude trying to go about his business with a tasty beverage. Those that fail to see the difference are the problem. |
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Because of the OC asshattery that some people insist on. I don't like OC as a political statement and I certainly don't like those who insist that they are doing the rest of us a favor by doing it.
OC attention whoring pisses me off and if someone's reason for OC is "so people will see me carrying a gun", I'm inclined to assume that he is a total douchebag. |
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I used to only CC, and then I tried OC... no one was frightened. Hardly anyone noticed.
Then I was informed by a CC'er that my 'element of surprise' would be gone... and I thought about that. Wouldn't I already be at a disadvantage, and reactive if a criminal were to target me? Logically it means that they have the 'element of surprise' and I do not. How do I avoid that? How do I not become a target in the first place? Open carry. The bad guys KNOW that I am not an 'easy' target. Wait.. won't I be "the first one shot" ? Not according to the last 20 years of FBI Uniform Crime reports. Statistically, I'm much less likely to be a victim of crime as an open carrier, than I would be as a concealed carrier. I live in a state that has no requirements other than being aged 18 to open carry a handgun. Open carry is as natural as free speech, and should be as vehemently guarded. Hiding your firearms, in my humble opinion, is the same thing as not speaking out against something that goes against what you believe in. A right exercised is a right lost. |
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The attention seeking whore aspect of it and the videos on line are the issue.
We are an open carry friendly state, and I hardly get a second glance by carrying my sidearm almost anywhere. I would expect to attract attention if I carry my AR15 on my shoulder, and would expect that to piss off other open carry, ccw, or gun-friendly persons who are not trying to draw excess attention to themselves. If EBT were cut off and I was out buying groceries, I would carry a carbine, extra mags, and expect to see others doing the same. Those who want to pontificate that it should be OK to carry your rifle anywhere just need to look at all the good it did for those in Kalifornistan. |
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I don't hate open carry, I just prefer concealed carry and find it better solution for the widest variety of situations This. The only time I OC is when I'm in the woods. I don't care what others do, as long as they aren't being morons about it. I can think of several towns in my state who have either banned OC or considered it because of someone acting the fool. |
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We don't all hate it, it's just that some of us think there is such thing as "Too much freedom" I'm going with this. Or...... I can't do it, so I hate it. I'm scared to do it, so I hate it. I'm jealous, so I hate it. But the best reason is....... Arfcom told me to hate it, so I hate it. EDIT: But..... The guy with the shotgun in Starbucks who's picture is all over the web, should have an ND to the back of the head. He's an asshole who might could very well be charged with brandishing. |
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Quoted: Hypocrisy. The same people who complain about anti's wanting to take our arms will try to tell you how you can bear yours. So you have no understanding of public opinion or realize that public votes based on public opinion? The biggest problem is the "It is my right, they (the public and government) just has to accept it" crowd. No they don't have to accept it, in fact the Constitution gives them the right to hate it, protest it, and pass laws to restrict it. Of course those people can't see past their own self-centered self-interest and are shocked when their rights get restricted. Public opinion matters and when people have the attitude of "I'll do whatever I want and don't care what the fall out is" they hurt all us. Piss off the public and they will take your rights away. Just ask the California open carry idiots.
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This,and it's just that simple folks.
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GD confuses the issue. There is a difference between walking into a 711 to get a Slurpee with a Glock 21 and spare mag on your belt and walking into Starbucks with an AR15 at "battle-ready" One is an attention whore asshole, the other is just some dude trying to go about his business with a tasty beverage. Those that fail to see the difference are the problem. |
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So where do you stand on the guy who OC's in Walmart while picking up a few things, no on filming, and doesn't make a scene? Quoted:
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Because many of the times has been someone on an "agenda" doing it. And they carry that agenda in a way that portrays an image for other gun owners that is unfavorable. Like walking through Walmart JUST to walk through it. With their friends filming them. It's clearly done for attention. People don't like attention whores. Well, the public sees it, and they say, "gun owners are attention whores." And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So where do you stand on the guy who OC's in Walmart while picking up a few things, no on filming, and doesn't make a scene? Tip of the iceberg. If he does it and acts normal it's fine. But if it's like he walks with his hip and gun leading the way and clearly wants you to focus on it, then it's more mouth-breathing retard. |
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I dont hate open carry.
I hate the in your face ,fuck you,showmanship attitude, that alot of OC'ers emit. I grew up in AZ where OC'ing was the mandatory way of carrying a firearm,except back then people were not ass holes about it.Nowadays it seems that Oc'ers revel in the shock that some people get when seeing a civilian with a firearm on there hip. Personally I like to be the gray man and not draw attention to myself but YMMV. |
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So where do you stand on the guy who OC's in Walmart while picking up a few things, no on filming, and doesn't make a scene? Quoted:
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Because many of the times has been someone on an "agenda" doing it. And they carry that agenda in a way that portrays an image for other gun owners that is unfavorable. Like walking through Walmart JUST to walk through it. With their friends filming them. It's clearly done for attention. People don't like attention whores. Well, the public sees it, and they say, "gun owners are attention whores." And that's just the tip of the iceberg. So where do you stand on the guy who OC's in Walmart while picking up a few things, no on filming, and doesn't make a scene? I personally have no problems with that at all. I might give them a double-take because around here OC doesn't happen very often. I have been known to strike up a conversation if they are carrying something interesting, but otherwise it's no big deal. |
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We don't hate open carry per se. We hate people who look like white trash meth addicts finger fucking their AR15 rifles at Star Bucks. Where I'm from, open carry is fairly normal and socially acceptable. However, walking around looking like a white trash slob with a meth habit while carrying an evil looking rifle makes us all look white trash slobs who have a meth habit, and the rest of us don't like that one bit. So instead of sitting on your rear and complaining, put on your tux, sling your AR, and counter the 'meth addict' look with one of a daper, well spoken gentleman, that happens to be exercising his rights.  The more people open carrying, the more 'normalized' it becomes.
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Quoted: so posting on the internet is clearly out then? I mean you could say anything. Quoted: Quoted: We don't all hate it, it's just that some of us think there is such thing as "Too much freedom" so posting on the internet is clearly out then? I mean you could say anything. That's different. "Everybody" agrees with the First Amendment. Not everybody, even the hardcore, card carrying NRA members, agrees with the Second Amendment. They are afraid somebody will get offended if we exercise our rights.
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I used to only CC, and then I tried OC... no one was frightened. Hardly anyone noticed. Then I was informed by a CC'er that my 'element of surprise' would be gone... and I thought about that. Wouldn't I already be at a disadvantage, and reactive if a criminal were to target me? Logically it means that they have the 'element of surprise' and I do not. How do I avoid that? How do I not become a target in the first place? Open carry. The bad guys KNOW that I am not an 'easy' target. Wait.. won't I be "the first one shot" ? Not according to the last 20 years of FBI Uniform Crime reports. Statistically, I'm much less likely to be a victim of crime as an open carrier, than I would be as a concealed carrier. I live in a state that has no requirements other than being aged 18 to open carry a handgun. Open carry is as natural as free speech, and should be as vehemently guarded. Hiding your firearms, in my humble opinion, is the same thing as not speaking out against something that goes against what you believe in. A right exercised is a right lost. That element of surprise argument makes as much sense as gun free zones. Projecting power to deter an attack beats reacting to the attack. |
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From what I have seen a majority of people in GD are ok with it if it is done tastefully, but hate it when people that look like scumbags walk around with long guns at the low ready, making people who don't have a dog in the fight think that a lot of gun owners are just people with a blood lust who wish they were in a war zone.
Wear nice clothes, be a gentelment and carry your weapon tastefully? Cool. Have on your punisher tshirt with a backwards hat, your ar at the LR with 4 extra mags on you...not only do you look like a tool but you make the rest of us look bad. |
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So you have no understanding of public opinion or realize that public votes based on public opinion? The biggest problem is the "It is my right, they (the public and government) just has to accept it" crowd. No they don't have to accept it, in fact the Constitution gives them the right to hate it, protest it, and pass laws to restrict it. Of course those people can't see past their own self-centered self-interest and are shocked when their rights get restricted. Public opinion matters and when people have the attitude of "I'll do whatever I want and don't care what the fall out is" they hurt all us. Piss off the public and they will take your rights away. Just ask the California open carry idiots. Quoted:
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Hypocrisy. The same people who complain about anti's wanting to take our arms will try to tell you how you can bear yours. So you have no understanding of public opinion or realize that public votes based on public opinion? The biggest problem is the "It is my right, they (the public and government) just has to accept it" crowd. No they don't have to accept it, in fact the Constitution gives them the right to hate it, protest it, and pass laws to restrict it. Of course those people can't see past their own self-centered self-interest and are shocked when their rights get restricted. Public opinion matters and when people have the attitude of "I'll do whatever I want and don't care what the fall out is" they hurt all us. Piss off the public and they will take your rights away. Just ask the California open carry idiots. Sigh. |
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We don't, we just hate the attention whoring idiots that open carry. The ones that turn public opinion against gun owners which ends up with the public electing more anti-gun legislators. This include the "It is my right, they (the public and government) just has to accept it" crowd. No they don't have to accept it, in fact the Constitution gives them the right to hate it, protest it, and pass laws to restrict it. Of course those people can't see past their own self-centered self-interest and are shocked when their rights get restricted. FAIL |