Posted: 9/27/2013 5:45:56 AM EDT
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A friend of mine who is currently AD USAF said he heard, in a briefing about a possible government shutdown, that they would lose their base pay for the entire period of the gov't shutdown.
Back in 2010 or 2011 (can't remember which) we had a threat of a gov't shutdown while I was still AD. We were told that non-mil DoD employees would be furloughed (because they would not be paid during the shutdown, period), BUT AD mil will still be present for regular duties (because we would not be paid during the shutdown, BUT we would receive back-pay later that fully covered the shutdown period's absence of pay). Now the idea of "losing base pay" that my friend was told today clashes with us being told we'd get "deferred base pay" a couple years ago. Did the actual shutdown pay policy change in the last couple years? Is the guy who briefed my friend an idiot and/or just said "lose" when he meant "defer," or what? Anyone got accurate situational awareness on this? ETA: During the last gov't shutdown I know of that actually happened (under Clinton), the mil were "threatened" with not being paid, but were actually paid in the end. |
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I AM NOT SURE ABOUT ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY.
But civilian support got "back pay" last time. That is not guarenteed though. They can say, "Fuck it, you're not getting a check for that time". At least for civilians. IIRC, Congress and the President still get paid. So there's that. I have no accurate information because the last meeting I was in we got a long 15 minute explination that could've been summed up with "We have no idea what the fuck". |
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Quoted: I AM NOT SURE ABOUT ACTIVE DUTY MILITARY. But civilian support got "back pay" last time. That is not guarenteed though. They can say, "Fuck it, you're not getting a check for that time". At least for civilians. IIRC, Congress and the President still get paid. So there's that. I have no accurate information because the last meeting I was in we got a long 15 minute explination that could've been summed up with "We have no idea what the fuck". I heard AD would still get paid, just late. The above in bold boils my blood. If our troops don't get paid, those fuggers shouldn't get paid either; especially when you consider their salaries.
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Quoted: Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. Thanks, I'm all ready fired up about Congress and the POTUS getting paid. As for your budget comment, I thought we hadn't seen a budget passed from this Gov. since BHO took office?
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. The Senate has not passed a budget (resolution) since April 29, 2009. Care to clarify? |
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. but there hasn't been a budget passed in 4 years! |
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. So you wouldn't get back pay? wow, how much do you think you could get for an AH-64? 
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So you wouldn't get back pay? wow, how much do you think you could get for an AH-64? Quoted:
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. So you wouldn't get back pay? wow, how much do you think you could get for an AH-64? You get back pay if they attach it to the CR or budget. Otherwise no. Personally, I do a job and then I get paid. No payee, no workee. |
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You get back pay if they attach it to the CR or budget. Otherwise no. Personally, I do a job and then I get paid. No payee, no workee. Quoted:
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. So you wouldn't get back pay? wow, how much do you think you could get for an AH-64? You get back pay if they attach it to the CR or budget. Otherwise no. Personally, I do a job and then I get paid. No payee, no workee. We had briefings last time that you'd get in trouble and be considered AWOL if you don't show up to work even though they didn't want o pay you |
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The Senate has not passed a budget (resolution) since April 29, 2009. Care to clarify? Quoted:
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. The Senate has not passed a budget (resolution) since April 29, 2009. Care to clarify? They pass what is called a contiuing resolution which pays the bills for a specified period. but it doesn't last the entire fiscal year. so they will pass 3-4 CRs and we operate under a CRA CR authority. CRs are less expansive and may not fund major projects. |
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They pass what is called a contiuing resolution which pays the bills for a specified period. but it doesn't last the entire fiscal year. so they will pass 3-4 CRs and we operate under a CRA CR authority. CRs are less expansive and may not fund major projects. Quoted:
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. The Senate has not passed a budget (resolution) since April 29, 2009. Care to clarify? They pass what is called a contiuing resolution which pays the bills for a specified period. but it doesn't last the entire fiscal year. so they will pass 3-4 CRs and we operate under a CRA CR authority. CRs are less expansive and may not fund major projects. That's what I thought but I wanted to make sure we weren't talking past each other. 
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I would assume they would get back pay when the gov. gets rolling again. So to answer the question, ya the guy sounds like an idiot. That's a bit harsh. Watch the news, the same people that control it are in a postition to feed the rumor mills on a military base. I'd say he has heard a rumor that was started to try and cause panic among the military and their supporters of the "OMG, no pay for soldiers!!!! We have got to stop the shutdown!!!!" |
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. Murica! |
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. The DoD not getting paid wouldn't garner any sympathy from me, but soldiers, the front line guys, I think is bs. Any argument that could come from it..."Well Shaniqua would go starvin!" doesn't really mean shit compared to Jimmy might lose a limb and not get paid shit for it. |
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As I watched a Chief so eloquently tell the Wing CC last year, "Back pay doesn't put food on the table." Unfortunately that's a reality for a good portion of the young troops. While I agree with the sentiment, living paycheck-to-paycheck isn't living. I wouldn't take that as an excuse from someone who has wife/kids any more than I would from a single Airman living in the dorms and using a meal card. Yeah that sounds cold, but that's also the real world. 
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Here is a Facebook posts from a good friend. He is a honest hardworking American. I met him when he was president of our volunteer fire company and known in for quite a few years until he moved away 3 years ago.
"I DON'T POST MUCH BUT.......... Today I am very angry!!!! I just move d our family from San Diego, Ca to Sanford, ME cause my Beauitful wife got a change in her station assignment (military PCS move) to her new unit!!!! And we spent a large amount of our owm money to do so. While all this is going on in our personal life our leaders that we have elected to lead our country can not settle on a budget!!!! So yestereday my 6 month pregant wife was told on Tuesday Oct. 1st that she would still have to be at work even thou she will not be getting PAID!!!! I am so angry at All the goverment bull_____. So now not only does she not get her regular pay which is not that much, but also she will not get reinbursed for our move until me have a US budget approved. Which there is no real solution in sight. And my wifes command told her not to count on nothing for a while the way it looks!!!! WTF Really!!! what are these people Thinking!!! oh yea thats right there NOT!!!! In the mean time I have been looking for a job in our horriable economy!!! So I realize when we look around in life someone always has it worse off than ourselves and we should not complain. But today I am PISSED OFF!!! Our Senators & House members & President should NOT get PAID either if our military is not going to get paid!!!!!! If that was to happen I bet you they would pass a budget then!!!! Pissed off American!!!!!" He had just relocated within the last 2 weeks. The post is from today.... |
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Here is a Facebook posts from a good friend. He is a honest hardworking American. I met him when he was president of our volunteer fire company and known in for quite a few years until he moved away 3 years ago. "I DON'T POST MUCH BUT.......... Today I am very angry!!!! I just move d our family from San Diego, Ca to Sanford, ME cause my Beauitful wife got a change in her station assignment (military PCS move) to her new unit!!!! And we spent a large amount of our owm money to do so. While all this is going on in our personal life our leaders that we have elected to lead our country can not settle on a budget!!!! So yestereday my 6 month pregant wife was told on Tuesday Oct. 1st that she would still have to be at work even thou she will not be getting PAID!!!! I am so angry at All the goverment bull_____. So now not only does she not get her regular pay which is not that much, but also she will not get reinbursed for our move until me have a US budget approved. Which there is no real solution in sight. And my wifes command told her not to count on nothing for a while the way it looks!!!! WTF Really!!! what are these people Thinking!!! oh yea thats right there NOT!!!! In the mean time I have been looking for a job in our horriable economy!!! So I realize when we look around in life someone always has it worse off than ourselves and we should not complain. But today I am PISSED OFF!!! Our Senators & House members & President should NOT get PAID either if our military is not going to get paid!!!!!! If that was to happen I bet you they would pass a budget then!!!! Pissed off American!!!!!" He had just relocated within the last 2 weeks. The post is from today.... If you spent your own money in a military PCS move, you're doing something wrong. I've made money each time I've pcs'd. |
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Quoted: Yep. It doesn't really seem smart to not pay the people who have access to all of your military hardware. |
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He said it was an O-4 who told him, so in this day and age I wouldn't be surprised.  Quoted:
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I would assume they would get back pay when the gov. gets rolling again. So to answer the question, ya the guy sounds like an idiot. He said it was an O-4 who told him, so in this day and age I wouldn't be surprised. Even O-4s are capable of slinging the bull shit in order to get all of their subordinates to call Washington and demand that Congress pass a budget and to protect their status quo! I've seen a LOT of .gov cilvilian workers in this forum also crying that the sky is falling for the same reason! I went through several shutdowns when I was in .mil and we always got back pay after the spending bills were finally approved. It sucks to not get paid on time but everyone SHOULD have some kind of cash/income reserves, civilian and military alike. IF they don't it's their failure as a responsible person! |
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Thanks, I'm all ready fired up about Congress and the POTUS getting paid. As for your budget comment, I thought we hadn't seen a budget passed from this Gov. since BHO took office? Quoted:
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. Thanks, I'm all ready fired up about Congress and the POTUS getting paid. As for your budget comment, I thought we hadn't seen a budget passed from this Gov. since BHO took office? You're right, we haven't had a normal, year long budget for several years. What we've had are short term, temporary budgets of a couple of months at a time. |
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This needs to be very clear. There is no law that requires the military be paid in a government shutdown. They will not be paid and will be required to work. There is also no guarantee of back pay either. Any command that is telling their soldiers anything different than this is speculating based on precious gov shutdowns.
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If you spent your own money in a military PCS move, you're doing something wrong. I've made money each time I've pcs'd. Quoted:
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Here is a Facebook posts from a good friend. He is a honest hardworking American. I met him when he was president of our volunteer fire company and known in for quite a few years until he moved away 3 years ago. "I DON'T POST MUCH BUT.......... Today I am very angry!!!! I just move d our family from San Diego, Ca to Sanford, ME cause my Beauitful wife got a change in her station assignment (military PCS move) to her new unit!!!! And we spent a large amount of our owm money to do so. While all this is going on in our personal life our leaders that we have elected to lead our country can not settle on a budget!!!! So yestereday my 6 month pregant wife was told on Tuesday Oct. 1st that she would still have to be at work even thou she will not be getting PAID!!!! I am so angry at All the goverment bull_____. So now not only does she not get her regular pay which is not that much, but also she will not get reinbursed for our move until me have a US budget approved. Which there is no real solution in sight. And my wifes command told her not to count on nothing for a while the way it looks!!!! WTF Really!!! what are these people Thinking!!! oh yea thats right there NOT!!!! In the mean time I have been looking for a job in our horriable economy!!! So I realize when we look around in life someone always has it worse off than ourselves and we should not complain. But today I am PISSED OFF!!! Our Senators & House members & President should NOT get PAID either if our military is not going to get paid!!!!!! If that was to happen I bet you they would pass a budget then!!!! Pissed off American!!!!!" He had just relocated within the last 2 weeks. The post is from today.... If you spent your own money in a military PCS move, you're doing something wrong. I've made money each time I've pcs'd. In what I posted he said they are waiting for reimbursement for the move but won't get it until the budget is passed. Not sure if at a profit or loss. |
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That's a bit harsh. Watch the news, the same people that control it are in a postition to feed the rumor mills on a military base. I'd say he has heard a rumor that was started to try and cause panic among the military and their supporters of the "OMG, no pay for soldiers!!!! We have got to stop the shutdown!!!!" Quoted:
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I would assume they would get back pay when the gov. gets rolling again. So to answer the question, ya the guy sounds like an idiot. That's a bit harsh. Watch the news, the same people that control it are in a postition to feed the rumor mills on a military base. I'd say he has heard a rumor that was started to try and cause panic among the military and their supporters of the "OMG, no pay for soldiers!!!! We have got to stop the shutdown!!!!" This! They're spreading these types of rumors in an attempt to get everyone to complain to their Congress Critters and to persuade them to pass a budget (even if it's just a temporary one) and to give in and NOT fight to defund Obamacare. Short version: The Senate Dems are holding .mil paychecks (and other budget items) HOSTAGE to try and stop Republicans from defunding Obamacare. |
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This! They're spreading these types of rumors in an attempt to get everyone to complain to their Congress Critters and to persuade them to pass a budget (even if it's just a temporary one) and to give in and NOT fight to defund Obamacare. Short version: The Senate Dems are holding .mil paychecks (and other budget items) HOSTAGE to try and stop Republicans from defunding Obamacare. Quoted:
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I would assume they would get back pay when the gov. gets rolling again. So to answer the question, ya the guy sounds like an idiot. That's a bit harsh. Watch the news, the same people that control it are in a postition to feed the rumor mills on a military base. I'd say he has heard a rumor that was started to try and cause panic among the military and their supporters of the "OMG, no pay for soldiers!!!! We have got to stop the shutdown!!!!" This! They're spreading these types of rumors in an attempt to get everyone to complain to their Congress Critters and to persuade them to pass a budget (even if it's just a temporary one) and to give in and NOT fight to defund Obamacare. Short version: The Senate Dems are holding .mil paychecks (and other budget items) HOSTAGE to try and stop Republicans from defunding Obamacare. We also have a little hope in these 2 cases doing something yet 2 Court Cases That Would Hurt Ocare |
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As I watched a Chief so eloquently tell the Wing CC last year, "Back pay doesn't put food on the table." Unfortunately that's a reality for a good portion of the young troops. That's what the .mil has chow halls for! Yeah I know a lot of troops like to eat off base (Including my AD son who almost NEVER eats on base!) but starving isn't really in the cards for these guys and gals. And yes, they can bring families to chow halls too. At least you could when I was in. Meals were something like $.35 for breakfast and $1.20 for lunch or dinner but that was a long time ago. Still I'm sure chow hall is a LOT cheaper than eating off base! Anybody know what the standard rate for chow halls is now? |
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Just like the last time this happened, I've already made it known that I and others will ensure that nobody goes hungry or late on bills. Everyone will get paid eventually, so I don't see zero interest loans as a big risk, just a bit of hassle at most. Lots of people make noise about not coming in to work if they don't get paid....But everyone already knows, they'll come in unless we're talking a month or more. There will be no coup, no strikes, just a bunch of complaining and posturing in Congress. Contrast that to what would happen if you cut off social programs for even a few days. Guess why those bills get paid before ours do? |
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Ok. That makes more sense. I apologize, I should know better to read/post from a phone. Quoted:
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In what I posted he said they are waiting for reimbursement for the move but won't get it until the budget is passed. Not sure if at a profit or loss. Ok. That makes more sense. I apologize, I should know better to read/post from a phone. No problem. I've done the same a few times myself :-) |
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If you spent your own money in a military PCS move, you're doing something wrong. I've made money each time I've pcs'd. Quoted:
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Here is a Facebook posts from a good friend. He is a honest hardworking American. I met him when he was president of our volunteer fire company and known in for quite a few years until he moved away 3 years ago. "I DON'T POST MUCH BUT.......... Today I am very angry!!!! I just move d our family from San Diego, Ca to Sanford, ME cause my Beauitful wife got a change in her station assignment (military PCS move) to her new unit!!!! And we spent a large amount of our owm money to do so. While all this is going on in our personal life our leaders that we have elected to lead our country can not settle on a budget!!!! So yestereday my 6 month pregant wife was told on Tuesday Oct. 1st that she would still have to be at work even thou she will not be getting PAID!!!! I am so angry at All the goverment bull_____. So now not only does she not get her regular pay which is not that much, but also she will not get reinbursed for our move until me have a US budget approved. Which there is no real solution in sight. And my wifes command told her not to count on nothing for a while the way it looks!!!! WTF Really!!! what are these people Thinking!!! oh yea thats right there NOT!!!! In the mean time I have been looking for a job in our horriable economy!!! So I realize when we look around in life someone always has it worse off than ourselves and we should not complain. But today I am PISSED OFF!!! Our Senators & House members & President should NOT get PAID either if our military is not going to get paid!!!!!! If that was to happen I bet you they would pass a budget then!!!! Pissed off American!!!!!" He had just relocated within the last 2 weeks. The post is from today.... If you spent your own money in a military PCS move, you're doing something wrong. I've made money each time I've pcs'd. Same here. Most of my household items moved by the government at no expense to me and I had a fat CASH travel allowance in advance! I always had CASH left over after a move! OTOH I know some people just don't know how to manage their money! I HAVE seen people that moved and had a huge CASH advance ($12,000 in one case!) but they stopped in Nevada to gamble and some of them spent EVERYTHING and couldn't even get out of Los Vegas since they couldn't even buy gas! That's not my fault or the .govs fault! |
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That's what the .mil has chow halls for! Yeah I know a lot of troops like to eat off base (Including my AD son who almost NEVER eats on base!) but starving isn't really in the cards for these guys and gals. And yes, they can bring families to chow halls too. At least you could when I was in. Meals were something like $.35 for breakfast and $1.20 for lunch or dinner but that was a long time ago. Still I'm sure chow hall is a LOT cheaper than eating off base! Anybody know what the standard rate for chow halls is now? Quoted:
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As I watched a Chief so eloquently tell the Wing CC last year, "Back pay doesn't put food on the table." Unfortunately that's a reality for a good portion of the young troops. That's what the .mil has chow halls for! Yeah I know a lot of troops like to eat off base (Including my AD son who almost NEVER eats on base!) but starving isn't really in the cards for these guys and gals. And yes, they can bring families to chow halls too. At least you could when I was in. Meals were something like $.35 for breakfast and $1.20 for lunch or dinner but that was a long time ago. Still I'm sure chow hall is a LOT cheaper than eating off base! Anybody know what the standard rate for chow halls is now? It's on par with off base now |
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That's what the .mil has chow halls for! Yeah I know a lot of troops like to eat off base (Including my AD son who almost NEVER eats on base!) but starving isn't really in the cards for these guys and gals. And yes, they can bring families to chow halls too. At least you could when I was in. Meals were something like $.35 for breakfast and $1.20 for lunch or dinner but that was a long time ago. Still I'm sure chow hall is a LOT cheaper than eating off base! Anybody know what the standard rate for chow halls is now? Quoted:
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As I watched a Chief so eloquently tell the Wing CC last year, "Back pay doesn't put food on the table." Unfortunately that's a reality for a good portion of the young troops. That's what the .mil has chow halls for! Yeah I know a lot of troops like to eat off base (Including my AD son who almost NEVER eats on base!) but starving isn't really in the cards for these guys and gals. And yes, they can bring families to chow halls too. At least you could when I was in. Meals were something like $.35 for breakfast and $1.20 for lunch or dinner but that was a long time ago. Still I'm sure chow hall is a LOT cheaper than eating off base! Anybody know what the standard rate for chow halls is now? 
You think everyone should bring their dependents to the chow hall on base? That ain't gonna happen. The chow hall couldn't handle it. Where I'm at its 2.20 for breakfast and 3.85 for the other two I believe. |
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The Senate has not passed a budget (resolution) since April 29, 2009. Care to clarify? Quoted:
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Yes. Military pay is discretionary. we don't get paid if a budget isn't passed. but welfare, food stamps, social security section 8 housing and all the free shit the FSA enjoy is protected and will be paid without interuption. thats mandatory. The Senate has not passed a budget (resolution) since April 29, 2009. Care to clarify? We've been operating under Continuing Resolutions |