Posted: 9/4/2013 6:25:58 AM EDT
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I was not a Boy Scout
I do not volunteer to work with boy scouts but I have a question why is being gay or not being gay even coming up?... I would think that as an Adult if I was a volunteer for the Boy Scouts and was at an event with a large group of boys between the ages of 11-18 why would I even ask or care if they were Hetero or Homo how has this become an issue... a Scout master should not know or care if about a teenage boys sexual preference..... So these People that want to remove the tax exempt status and/or boycott the Scouts should not have a leg to stand on. Help me out here what am I missing? |
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Because when your son is raped what was done to protect him? Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... there are lots of Hetero Rapist out there... also proper supervision guidelines give a large safety margin...always more than one adult present with a scout... I do not support homosexuals nor do I seek out their eradication...but I think that we are giving them too many outs in areas where sex and sexual preference should not even be a consideration... |
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Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... Quoted:
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It's not about the scout, it's about the leader. Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... It should when you're talking about youth safety and protection. The fact is that the Boy Scouts had a HUGE problem with leader-on-Scout abuse and sexual assault before that rule was instituted. The problem got much smaller afterwards. |
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It should when you're talking about youth safety and protection. The fact is that the Boy Scouts had a HUGE problem with leader-on-Scout abuse and sexual assault before that rule was instituted. The problem got much smaller afterwards. Quoted:
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It's not about the scout, it's about the leader. Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... It should when you're talking about youth safety and protection. The fact is that the Boy Scouts had a HUGE problem with leader-on-Scout abuse and sexual assault before that rule was instituted. The problem got much smaller afterwards. I did not know this... |
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I've been a scoutmaster and am an Eagle scout. It should have never come up. We had gay boys in my troop. Everyone knew they were gay. Scouts don't spend time talking about sex no matter who they get hard ons for. They are too busy shooting guns, making catapults, paddling canoes, or something else productive. This is all a result of outside meddling by the same people that don't give their child a gender until the child decides to be a boy or a girl. As for leadership the scouts had a rampant problem with homosexuals abusing boys and I agree with the no gay males as leaders policy. |
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Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... . Quoted:
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Because when your son is raped what was done to protect him? Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... . Non-sequitur. The fact is that the Boy Scouts would be a prime target-rich environment for a homosexual predator. Just because MOST homosexuals aren't rapists doesn't mean ALL homosexual's aren't rapists. You have to protect against the 10%. |
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It shouldn't.
But as a SM, it does raise certain logistical concerns if it does come up. If Johnny is 17 and openly gay, do I still tent him with a 11 yo who doesn't even know what "gay" means? Would that be irresponsible of me as a leader? I think so. Does Johnny get to tent by himself? Does he get separate facilities like we do on co-ed camp outs? It raises a lot of questions, which so far, the National Council has given no guidance on yet. 
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Non-sequitur. The fact is that the Boy Scouts would be a prime target-rich environment for a homosexual predator. Just because MOST homosexuals aren't rapists doesn't mean ALL homosexual's aren't rapists. You have to protect against the 10%. Quoted:
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Because when your son is raped what was done to protect him? Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... . Non-sequitur. The fact is that the Boy Scouts would be a prime target-rich environment for a homosexual predator. Just because MOST homosexuals aren't rapists doesn't mean ALL homosexual's aren't rapists. You have to protect against the 10%. I agree... |
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It's not about the scout, it's about the leader. Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... It should when you're talking about youth safety and protection. The fact is that the Boy Scouts had a HUGE problem with leader-on-Scout abuse and sexual assault before that rule was instituted. The problem got much smaller afterwards. I did not know this... I volunteered for one of the Jamboree's a few years back and they made you take an online safety course in order to get a safety card that would allow you to be a volunteer. The entire course was basically rules of behavior that try to make it impossible for a pederast to victimize a scout, or for false accusations to occur. They've been doing a lot of damage control over the years. |
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I volunteered for one of the Jamboree's a few years back and they made you take an online safety course in order to get a safety card that would allow you to be a volunteer. The entire course was basically rules of behavior that try to make it impossible for a pederast to victimize a scout, or for false accusations to occur. They've been doing a lot of damage control over the years. Quoted:
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It's not about the scout, it's about the leader. Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... It should when you're talking about youth safety and protection. The fact is that the Boy Scouts had a HUGE problem with leader-on-Scout abuse and sexual assault before that rule was instituted. The problem got much smaller afterwards. I did not know this... I volunteered for one of the Jamboree's a few years back and they made you take an online safety course in order to get a safety card that would allow you to be a volunteer. The entire course was basically rules of behavior that try to make it impossible for a pederast to victimize a scout, or for false accusations to occur. They've been doing a lot of damage control over the years. well that is good news |
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Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... there are lots of Hetero Rapist out there... also proper supervision guidelines give a large safety margin...always more than one adult present with a scout... I do not support homosexuals nor do I seek out their eradication...but I think that we are giving them too many outs in areas where sex and sexual preference should not even be a consideration... Quoted:
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Because when your son is raped what was done to protect him? Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... there are lots of Hetero Rapist out there... also proper supervision guidelines give a large safety margin...always more than one adult present with a scout... I do not support homosexuals nor do I seek out their eradication...but I think that we are giving them too many outs in areas where sex and sexual preference should not even be a consideration... No it does not. However, if a man openly confess his attraction to the male sex, should one question his motivations for wanting to go camping with a bunch of teenage boys? Perhaps, he has the purest of intentions and simply loves the outdoors as much as the next guy. Or perhaps not. The National Council is not in a position to evaluate every single leader, so they simple need some rule to protect themselves against those with not-so-pure motives. |
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I've been a scoutmaster and am an Eagle scout. It should have never come up. We had gay boys in my troop. Everyone knew they were gay. Scouts don't spend time talking about sex no matter who they get hard ons for. They are too busy shooting guns, making catapults, paddling canoes, or something else productive. This is all a result of outside meddling by the same people that don't give their child a gender until the child decides to be a boy or a girl. As for leadership the scouts had a rampant problem with homosexuals abusing boys and I agree with the no gay males as leaders policy. We did all that, but we also spent a fair amount of time, especially at night around the fire discussing how certain girls at school were (ahem) developing  (that's what jr. hi boys do)
Of course, back then homosexuality was taboo and anyone suspected of being one would not have had a real good time in our troop. |
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No it does not. However, if a man openly confess his attraction to the male sex, should one question his motivations for wanting to go camping with a bunch of teenage boys? Perhaps, he has the purest of intentions and simply loves the outdoors as much as the next guy. Or perhaps not. The National Council is not in a position to evaluate every single leader, so they simple need some rule to protect themselves against those with not-so-pure motives. Quoted:
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Because when your son is raped what was done to protect him? Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... there are lots of Hetero Rapist out there... also proper supervision guidelines give a large safety margin...always more than one adult present with a scout... I do not support homosexuals nor do I seek out their eradication...but I think that we are giving them too many outs in areas where sex and sexual preference should not even be a consideration... No it does not. However, if a man openly confess his attraction to the male sex, should one question his motivations for wanting to go camping with a bunch of teenage boys? Perhaps, he has the purest of intentions and simply loves the outdoors as much as the next guy. Or perhaps not. The National Council is not in a position to evaluate every single leader, so they simple need some rule to protect themselves against those with not-so-pure motives. see I came into this question all wrong I thought the ban was on Scout members being gay. And never thought of it from the Scout masters being gay side... and all the arguments against gay scout masters do in fact make sense... I guess I am a Hetero Heathen |
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I volunteered for one of the Jamboree's a few years back and they made you take an online safety course in order to get a safety card that would allow you to be a volunteer. The entire course was basically rules of behavior that try to make it impossible for a pederast to victimize a scout, or for false accusations to occur. They've been doing a lot of damage control over the years. Quoted:
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It's not about the scout, it's about the leader. Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... It should when you're talking about youth safety and protection. The fact is that the Boy Scouts had a HUGE problem with leader-on-Scout abuse and sexual assault before that rule was instituted. The problem got much smaller afterwards. I did not know this... I volunteered for one of the Jamboree's a few years back and they made you take an online safety course in order to get a safety card that would allow you to be a volunteer. The entire course was basically rules of behavior that try to make it impossible for a pederast to victimize a scout, or for false accusations to occur. They've been doing a lot of damage control over the years. One-on-one contact between adults and youth members prohibited. This is the one rule that could prevent nearly every possible problem of abuse. However, it is also widely broken, innocently enough but it is. |
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Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... Quoted:
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It's not about the scout, it's about the leader. Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... So would you let your daughters run off into the woods with a male leader? of course not. Not that all guys will rape girls ht you take away the chance of it. Humans have separated men and women from certain activists since.. forever.. When you add gays into the mix it causes some issues. You basically have a personal who is sexualy attracted to the parts on the people your trying to protect. It's too big of a temptation and not worth rolling g the dice. |
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Non-sequitur. The fact is that the Boy Scouts would be a prime target-rich environment for a homosexual predator. Just because MOST homosexuals aren't rapists doesn't mean ALL homosexual's aren't rapists. You have to protect against the 10%. Quoted:
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Because when your son is raped what was done to protect him? Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... . Non-sequitur. The fact is that the Boy Scouts would be a prime target-rich environment for a homosexual predator. Just because MOST homosexuals aren't rapists doesn't mean ALL homosexual's aren't rapists. You have to protect against the 10%. This is whatI was trying to get at,. |
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So would you let your daughters run off into the woods with a male leader? of course not. Not that all guys will rape girls ht you take away the chance of it. Humans have separated men and women from certain activists since.. forever.. When you add gays into the mix it causes some issues. You basically have a personal who is sexualy attracted to the parts on the people your trying to protect. It's too big of a temptation and not worth rolling g the dice. Quoted:
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It's not about the scout, it's about the leader. Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... So would you let your daughters run off into the woods with a male leader? of course not. Not that all guys will rape girls ht you take away the chance of it. Humans have separated men and women from certain activists since.. forever.. When you add gays into the mix it causes some issues. You basically have a personal who is sexualy attracted to the parts on the people your trying to protect. It's too big of a temptation and not worth rolling g the dice. sometimes I have to be reminded of the evils of man.... |
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Quoted: We did all that, but we also spent a fair amount of time, especially at night around the fire discussing how certain girls at school were (ahem) developing (that's what jr. hi boys do)Of course, back then homosexuality was taboo and anyone suspected of being one would not have had a real good time in our troop. Quoted: Quoted: I've been a scoutmaster and am an Eagle scout. It should have never come up. We had gay boys in my troop. Everyone knew they were gay. Scouts don't spend time talking about sex no matter who they get hard ons for. They are too busy shooting guns, making catapults, paddling canoes, or something else productive. This is all a result of outside meddling by the same people that don't give their child a gender until the child decides to be a boy or a girl. As for leadership the scouts had a rampant problem with homosexuals abusing boys and I agree with the no gay males as leaders policy. We did all that, but we also spent a fair amount of time, especially at night around the fire discussing how certain girls at school were (ahem) developing (that's what jr. hi boys do)Of course, back then homosexuality was taboo and anyone suspected of being one would not have had a real good time in our troop. |
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Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... Quoted:
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It's not about the scout, it's about the leader. Ok even more so...sexuality should never ever come up... Really? Why would a gay guy want to be Boy Scout leader. Is it: - To recruit more gay Boy Scouts - To find vulnerable Boy Scout so they can exploit and molest them - They are just good people and want to be a good Boy Scout leader 2 out of 3, no way. Let them find someone else to molest. My .02. |
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I was always under the impression that the Boy Scouts was an organization that boys joined to be guided, mentored, and learn "manly" ways about things and life in general. It doesn't seem to me that being surrounded by gays would fulfill that mission. I have nothing against gays as long as they don't try to impose themselves or lifestyle on me, but, It doesn't seem like the Boy Scouts is a place for gays. I say: let the gay community start their own organization. They can have their own club, have their "non-manly" agenda and activities, and learn about stuff that may help them along in their life. If someday the gays did actually start their own organization how many heteros would be crying to get into it? This kind of reminds me of the women that sued to gain admittance to the Citadel. I believe that the only reason they wanted in was because they were not allowed. The preceding is only my opinion of which you have an absolute right to hear. |
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see I came into this question all wrong I thought the ban was on Scout members being gay. And never thought of it from the Scout masters being gay side... and all the arguments against gay scout masters do in fact make sense... I guess I am a Hetero Heathen Quoted:
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Because when your son is raped what was done to protect him? Sexual Affiliation does not make you a rapist.... there are lots of Hetero Rapist out there... also proper supervision guidelines give a large safety margin...always more than one adult present with a scout... I do not support homosexuals nor do I seek out their eradication...but I think that we are giving them too many outs in areas where sex and sexual preference should not even be a consideration... No it does not. However, if a man openly confess his attraction to the male sex, should one question his motivations for wanting to go camping with a bunch of teenage boys? Perhaps, he has the purest of intentions and simply loves the outdoors as much as the next guy. Or perhaps not. The National Council is not in a position to evaluate every single leader, so they simple need some rule to protect themselves against those with not-so-pure motives. see I came into this question all wrong I thought the ban was on Scout members being gay. And never thought of it from the Scout masters being gay side... and all the arguments against gay scout masters do in fact make sense... I guess I am a Hetero Heathen Now extend the argument to the Scouts themselves. Scouts are, by design, boy led, adult guided. That means your mature 17yo HS senior is the senior patrol leader. I as the Scoutmaster will be telling him what to do, he's going to be making it happen. That means the sexually aware senior Scouts are in a position of authority over the younger, more naive and sexually UN-aware junior scouts. Who they are potentially going to be sharing a tent with all weekend. If a predatory Scoutmaster in charge of a bunch of impressionable, naive and unaware Scouts is a bad thing, is a homosexual predatory Scout not potentially a fox in the henhouse? |
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Quoted: I was always under the impression that the Boy Scouts was an organization that boys joined to be guided, mentored, and learn "manly" ways about things and life in general. It doesn't seem to me that being surrounded by gays would fulfill that mission. I have nothing against gays as long as they don't try to impose themselves or lifestyle on me, but, It doesn't seem like the Boy Scouts is a place for gays. I say: let the gay community start their own organization. They can have their own club, have their "non-manly" agenda and activities, and learn about stuff that may help them along in their life. If someday the gays did actually start their own organization how many heteros would be crying to get into it? This kind of reminds me of the women that sued to gain admittance to the Citadel. I believe that the only reason they wanted in was because they were not allowed. The preceding is only my opinion of which you have an absolute right to hear. |
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Lets think logically about sexual predators: they have absolutely ZERO incentive to admit to being homosexuals if they're even remotely tempted to molest people of the same gender. Likewise, the best camouflage for a hetrosexual predator would be to claim they were gay.
If you're planning or even slightly inclined to molest boys, do you think you'd try to hide and deflect suspicion? You'd have ZERO interest in letting people know you were homosexual. Most of the infamous child molesters in BSA were married, publicly religious men: James Molyneaux, Gary Wade Brown, Joe Gibson. |
