Posted: 8/26/2013 5:30:17 PM EDT
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I have noticed in a lot of videos lately that Syrian tanks are outfitted with jury rigged steel mesh welded to the sides and turret.
This is supposedly to detonate RPG rounds before they could penetrate the tanks armor. I recall seeing a documentary that the Russians tried the same thing during the battle for Berlin to defeat the German Panzerfaust with less than satisfactory results. Does this mean the Syrians have not learned from history, or does the Panzerfaust have something over the RPG that makes it a better anti tank system? |
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Good enough for the US Army, good enough for the Syrians http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o156/JCANTON/Album%203/BuffaloMRAP.jpg http://www.murdoconline.net/pics/strykercage.jpg How about a net? http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/060/1/e/new_atv_mrap_by_slasinth-d4rd2fe.jpg http://www.tacomlcmccommunityreport.com/galleries/news/feb12newsarticle2.jpg /thread Everybody uses that stuff. |
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I have noticed in a lot of videos lately that Syrian tanks are outfitted with jury rigged steel mesh welded to the sides and turret. This is supposedly to detonate RPG rounds before they could penetrate the tanks armor. I recall seeing a documentary that the Russians tried the same thing during the battle for Berlin to defeat the German Panzerfaust with less than satisfactory results. Does this mean the Syrians have not learned from history, or does the Panzerfaust have something over the RPG that makes it a better anti tank system? I thought it had to do with the optimal distance away from the target the warhead requires to penetrate armor. The warhead is more like a cone lined with copper so the optimal distance has to do with the radius/length of that cone. RPG's are made so that if the tip of the warhead is against the target, it is at the optimal distance from the target. A wire/net causes the warhead to detonate too far from the target, and it wont get adequate penetration. Maybe the problem with the panzerfaust was that the net was at the wrong distance from the target or it was designed to catch the ordinance instead of set it off at a distance greater than optimum and that didn't work???? |
| Not only is it done on tanks but I'm pretty sure the British army did the same for a lot of the military facilities in N. Ireland. Hopefully the RPG hits the chain link fencing and either detonates away from the building or gets caught in the fence and does not detonate at all. It seems to be done often enough and by enough different people that there is likely something to it. |
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Those that shoot first...live to shoot last..
Syrian rebel killed by tank (note the M-16 carried by the second "camera man) |
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Those that shoot first...live to shoot last.. Syrian rebel killed by tank (note the M-16 carried by the second "camera man) RPG-29 dual warhead  OUCH
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I thought it had to do with the optimal distance away from the target the warhead requires to penetrate armor. The warhead is more like a cone lined with copper so the optimal distance has to do with the radius/length of that cone. RPG's are made so that if the tip of the warhead is against the target, it is at the optimal distance from the target. A wire/net causes the warhead to detonate too far from the target, and it wont get adequate penetration. Maybe the problem with the panzerfaust was that the net was at the wrong distance from the target or it was designed to catch the ordinance instead of set it off at a distance greater than optimum and that didn't work???? Quoted:
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I have noticed in a lot of videos lately that Syrian tanks are outfitted with jury rigged steel mesh welded to the sides and turret. This is supposedly to detonate RPG rounds before they could penetrate the tanks armor. I recall seeing a documentary that the Russians tried the same thing during the battle for Berlin to defeat the German Panzerfaust with less than satisfactory results. Does this mean the Syrians have not learned from history, or does the Panzerfaust have something over the RPG that makes it a better anti tank system? I thought it had to do with the optimal distance away from the target the warhead requires to penetrate armor. The warhead is more like a cone lined with copper so the optimal distance has to do with the radius/length of that cone. RPG's are made so that if the tip of the warhead is against the target, it is at the optimal distance from the target. A wire/net causes the warhead to detonate too far from the target, and it wont get adequate penetration. Maybe the problem with the panzerfaust was that the net was at the wrong distance from the target or it was designed to catch the ordinance instead of set it off at a distance greater than optimum and that didn't work???? This is correct. Shaped charges (HEAT) require the correct standoff distance to penetrate effectively. Explosively Formed Penetrators (EFP's) are somewhat less sensitive to this phenomenon, and are often equipped with tandem charges that clear away things like spaced armor, reactive armor, etc. Tandem charges are present on a number of HEAT rounds as well, such as the RPG-29 and Javelin system. |
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Quoted: Those that shoot first...live to shoot last.. Syrian rebel killed by tank (note the M-16 carried by the second "camera man) If he would have just shot the damn thing instead of spending all that time reciting things like allah snackbar he would have been in the clear. Shoot and scoot, words to live longer by. |