Posted: 7/16/2013 1:25:21 PM EDT
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Since this is a cross section of like minded individuals; ranging from the verge of PETA and others on the verge of animal cruelty.
I ponder what we think. Is love purely a human "emotion" Do animals have "emotion" How do we know if animals have emotions or not? We love our pets but do our pets "love" us? Look at the picture below carefully before going to the next and discuss. 
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I think animals have instinctive emotions like fear, panic, pleasure. I think their version of love (like in the motherly pictures above) is ingrained rather than developed through a want of caring. Some animals, cats in particular, will eat their babies.
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When I served in the King's African Rifles, the local Zambezi tribesman called human flesh "long pig." Never much cared for it. Quoted:
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I don't see the point of this post. I don't eat dog or monkey or baby human. When I served in the King's African Rifles, the local Zambezi tribesman called human flesh "long pig." Never much cared for it. OK Woodhouse. |
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Last picture is sad and reminds me of the video of the dog burying it's puppies. (more than likely to come back and eat later)
I think dogs feel attachment which is what humans feel is love, and humans take that attachment and translate it to love. But I will also point out how I have noticed that outside dogs kept in a pen wont have the same doe eyes towards their owner that a inside dog will. So people feel like their dogs love them because they love the dog. My dogs special though. It loves me. |
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I'll bite. I would say animals only have emotion. "Reason" is a trait unique to Humans. "Emotion" is simply our term for brain impulses rooted in instinct. I'd agree with this. With the qualifier that animal instincts are different than human. As one poster mentioned, quite a few animals eat their young. |
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Animals cannot reason.
An animal without reason will not have emotion. Simple enough. ETA: Well emotion is not based in reason as we see too often. The ability to reason gives us the ability to have emotion. It's the compliment of each other. You cannot have life without death, you cannot have emotion without reason. |
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Animals: bond created by instinct.
Humans: bond created by the mind based on individual desires. You love that color of the couch because that particular soothes you, but your dog could give a shit less about the color of the couch and just wants to piss on the leg of it to mark his territory. |
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I had a neurotic border collie as a kid. He was the most emo dog you've ever seen. If we'd yell at each other, he'd literally stand up on his back legs between us and push one person away. He couldn't take it if another of the animals died. We'd plant the dead thing in the garden and he'd lay down next to the hole and whine for the best part of a week.
The more he played with the critter the longer he'd mourn. He was a good dog. Wanted nothing more than to sit with his head on your knee and look adoringly at you while you scratched his ears. Kind of clingy that way, but if that's the worst behavior issue for a dog that smart you're ahead of the game. Cats are affectionate too, and not just for food. |
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Last two pictures are staged. Pup is to young to have come from the dead one. Animals have "emotion", as humans are animals. As for "love" of anything each person sees "love" differently. Your definition may not be the same as your spouses, parents, children or mine.
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Last two pictures are staged. Pup is to young to have come from the dead one. Animals have "emotion", as humans are animals. As for "love" of anything each person sees "love" differently. Your definition may not be the same as your spouses, parents, children or mine. This. That puppy would be dead long before the mama dog in the pic got that far decomposed. And if the carcass was eaten to that point what ever did the eating would have snacked on the pup too. |
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Quoted: Animals cannot reason. An animal without reason will not have emotion. Simple enough. ETA: Well emotion is not based in reason as we see too often. The ability to reason gives us the ability to have emotion. It's the compliment of each other. You cannot have life without death, you cannot have emotion without reason. Dr. Sue Savage-Rumbaugh is a researcher who strongly believes in the ability of primates to use language. One of her most impressive observations involved a bonobo chimpanzee named Kanzi. Savage-Rumbaugh tried to no avail to train Kanzi's adoptive mother to use a keyboard of symbols. The researchers were surprised to find that Kanzi had been eavesdropping on his mother's lessons and had acquired a substantial vocabulary. From then on, Kanzi was not given structured training like his mother, but was taught while walking through the forest with his trainers. By the age of 6, Kanzi had acquired a vocabulary of 200 words and was able to construct sentences by combining words with gestures or with other words. Kanzi's most notable accomplishment was captured on videotape: he was told, "Give the dog a shot," and he proceeded to inject his stuffed dog with a syringe. Savage-Rumbaugh argues that Kanzi's language was initially dependent upon contextual cues, but that once he mastered a substantial vocabulary, he could respond accurately to 70% of novel commands from a concealed speaker. Critics say that Kanzi's accomplishments are not proof of language ability in primates because the crucial element in language ability is production, not comprehension. I'm just sayin'.... 
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I don't see the point of this post. I don't eat dog or monkey or baby human. No point. Its just to see how we as humans think about the things around us and if "we" explore or just dismiss. If driven by hunger/starvation the human mind shuts down the capacity to reason; becomes primal and anything edible is fair game. "intelligent Zombies" if you will. Oh and thats an ape (Chimpanzee) not a monkey.
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No. When I was a kid I had 4 pet hampsters. One was a mother that gave birth to 3 kids. Went on a short vacation, came back and there was only 1 fat hampster and a few legs left. It was mommy. lol ... "It was Mommy" where would a hamster be in relation to a dog vs a chicken in the context of "emotion/instinct" |
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Dr. Sue Savage-Rumbaugh is a researcher who strongly believes in the ability of primates to use language. One of her most impressive observations involved a bonobo chimpanzee named Kanzi. Savage-Rumbaugh tried to no avail to train Kanzi's adoptive mother to use a keyboard of symbols. The researchers were surprised to find that Kanzi had been eavesdropping on his mother's lessons and had acquired a substantial vocabulary. From then on, Kanzi was not given structured training like his mother, but was taught while walking through the forest with his trainers. By the age of 6, Kanzi had acquired a vocabulary of 200 words and was able to construct sentences by combining words with gestures or with other words. Kanzi's most notable accomplishment was captured on videotape: he was told, "Give the dog a shot," and he proceeded to inject his stuffed dog with a syringe. Savage-Rumbaugh argues that Kanzi's language was initially dependent upon contextual cues, but that once he mastered a substantial vocabulary, he could respond accurately to 70% of novel commands from a concealed speaker. Critics say that Kanzi's accomplishments are not proof of language ability in primates because the crucial element in language ability is production, not comprehension. I'm just sayin'.... Quoted:
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Animals cannot reason. An animal without reason will not have emotion. Simple enough. ETA: Well emotion is not based in reason as we see too often. The ability to reason gives us the ability to have emotion. It's the compliment of each other. You cannot have life without death, you cannot have emotion without reason. Dr. Sue Savage-Rumbaugh is a researcher who strongly believes in the ability of primates to use language. One of her most impressive observations involved a bonobo chimpanzee named Kanzi. Savage-Rumbaugh tried to no avail to train Kanzi's adoptive mother to use a keyboard of symbols. The researchers were surprised to find that Kanzi had been eavesdropping on his mother's lessons and had acquired a substantial vocabulary. From then on, Kanzi was not given structured training like his mother, but was taught while walking through the forest with his trainers. By the age of 6, Kanzi had acquired a vocabulary of 200 words and was able to construct sentences by combining words with gestures or with other words. Kanzi's most notable accomplishment was captured on videotape: he was told, "Give the dog a shot," and he proceeded to inject his stuffed dog with a syringe. Savage-Rumbaugh argues that Kanzi's language was initially dependent upon contextual cues, but that once he mastered a substantial vocabulary, he could respond accurately to 70% of novel commands from a concealed speaker. Critics say that Kanzi's accomplishments are not proof of language ability in primates because the crucial element in language ability is production, not comprehension. I'm just sayin'.... I saw a gorrilla form a complete sentence with sign language after being asked a question on a documentary. I wouldn't hang out with one though he might get angry, rip my arm off and beat be with it. |