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6/19/2013 10:03:15 AM EDT
I'm doing some work on my house and noticed something odd last night.

When i flip the light switch in the bathroom my TV shuts off...

Now it just started doing this. It only shuts off for a second, kind of like it picked up a new video signal and is trying to switch to that then it comes back.

TV is on its own UPS, which does not trip.

bathroom and TV are on separate breakers.

I did just install a new light fixture in the bathroom. black on black, white on white and the ground from the house and the fixture are both tied into the mount of the fixture.

Distance from bathroom to TV is sub 20 feet.


thoughts?

PS. Am i going to get cancer?



ETA: this only occurs when i dont touch the light switch for a few minutes. Just flipping the switch back and forth does nothing.
6/19/2013 10:05:48 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere
6/19/2013 10:06:33 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?
6/19/2013 10:08:14 AM EDT
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6/19/2013 10:08:34 AM EDT
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Whats wrong with that? Looks legit.
6/19/2013 10:08:40 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere

Is that dutch for "Ground" ?



Red/Black = hot


White = neutral


Bare copper = ground








 
6/19/2013 10:09:16 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?

Red/Black = hot
White = neutral
Bare copper = ground

 


OK.. ill pull that fixture back off and check the connections.
6/19/2013 10:10:15 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring
6/19/2013 10:11:29 AM EDT
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Well, there's your problem...



 
6/19/2013 10:12:12 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.
6/19/2013 10:12:44 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


I thought maybe I spelled it wrong.  But your assessment is quite correct.



6/19/2013 10:14:00 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.


In automotive that's correct.
In houses it's not.
6/19/2013 10:14:23 AM EDT
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Your neighbor fucking with you has a TV remote and waits for your bathroom light to go on then he uses his remote to turn off your TV.
6/19/2013 10:14:26 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.




Please stay away from AC wiring before someone gets hurt.
6/19/2013 10:14:43 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<??- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.


Alternating current has no polarity in the way direct current does.  You are out of your depth and your post is derp.
6/19/2013 10:16:13 AM EDT
[#15]
it is not a negative  it is a Neutral      


 people more versed than myself can explain it better



be carefull you can kill yourself or somone else
6/19/2013 10:16:38 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.




Please stay away from AC wiring before someone gets hurt.


AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.
6/19/2013 10:17:17 AM EDT
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Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.





<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.






IN!



 
6/19/2013 10:17:46 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<??- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.


Alternating current has no polarity in the way direct current does.  You are out of your depth and your post is derp.


my mother fucking bad. i simply meant there are only three wires to the shit... Jesus mother fucking christ on a pogo stick


I'm gonna start calling mags clips and use the word bullet wrong and really stir up some shit.
6/19/2013 10:18:12 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.


Not quite
6/19/2013 10:18:37 AM EDT
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Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.



IN!
 

hang tight.. I'm lubing up now.. i have pissed off the electricians...
6/19/2013 10:19:14 AM EDT
[#21]
How many romex cables are in the J-box with the light fixture?
Does the new light fixture switch on and off with the light switch?
If you unplug your UPS at the TV does it duplicate the problem?

Make sure you don't have a romex wire returning to the fixture j-box from the light switch.  Wiring all whites together in this scenario usually trips the breaker!

6/19/2013 10:19:18 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Well, you do have to admit, your batting average doesn't qualify for Little League.  
6/19/2013 10:19:35 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.


AC doesn't have Negative
6/19/2013 10:19:58 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Not rocket science, but you can fuck it up.




6/19/2013 10:20:34 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Well, you do have to admit, your batting average doesn't qualify for Little League.  


True true...
6/19/2013 10:22:07 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Not rocket science, but you can fuck it up.


http://marianaesteves.wikispaces.com/file/view/Burning-House.jpg/198352816/422x280/Burning-House.jpg




I would fucking celebrate if that mother fucker burned to the ground.


but seriously. its a light fixture. its not like i'm trying to rewire the fuse box or what ever the hell the correct terminology is.
6/19/2013 10:22:18 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Not rocket science, but you can fuck it up.


http://marianaesteves.wikispaces.com/file/view/Burning-House.jpg/198352816/422x280/Burning-House.jpg



Cars don't do
6/19/2013 10:23:04 AM EDT
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LOL this is going well
6/19/2013 10:24:27 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Not rocket science, but you can fuck it up.


http://marianaesteves.wikispaces.com/file/view/Burning-House.jpg/198352816/422x280/Burning-House.jpg



Cars don't do http://powerlineman.com/lforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2367&stc=1&d=1267278962


Wow.. that happened when someone changed a light fixture?  Or is that someone idiot trying to steal copper out of a power line?
6/19/2013 10:24:49 AM EDT
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LOL this is going well


No shit..
6/19/2013 10:25:15 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Not rocket science, but you can fuck it up.


http://marianaesteves.wikispaces.com/file/view/Burning-House.jpg/198352816/422x280/Burning-House.jpg



Cars don't do http://powerlineman.com/lforum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2367&stc=1&d=1267278962


Wow.. that happened when someone changed a light fixture?  Or is that someone idiot trying to steal copper out of a power line?


I understand that particular picture was a power line.
The difference to the dead is pretty trivial.
6/19/2013 10:26:31 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Oh for fuck sake. its pos neg and ground.. the fact the terminology is different means dick.


<--- Automotive guy.. not an electrician.


6/19/2013 10:27:18 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere

Is that dutch for "Ground" ?




NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


Is the neutral bar not bonded to the main ground?



 
6/19/2013 10:27:46 AM EDT
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if the tv is on a UPS, I work on them every day, and it goes off, then the UPS is bad.

there is NO other choice. if the UPS did what its for it would supply power.
6/19/2013 10:31:02 AM EDT
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holy crapola.. what the fuck have i done here.....


I'm going to go steal some copper from a sub station now for offending GD... Peace out.. stop by the house, before it burns to the ground, for free guns and ammo. Oh and the gang bang.. don't forget to ask for the gang bang.
6/19/2013 10:31:43 AM EDT
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Is the neutral bar not bonded to the main ground?
 


Not always.  

6/19/2013 10:32:07 AM EDT
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if the tv is on a UPS, I work on them every day, and it goes off, then the UPS is bad.

there is NO other choice. if the UPS did what its for it would supply power.



would replacing a light fixture cause a UPS to go bad?

BTW If i hit the breaker for the TV the UPS takes over and the tv never flickers.
6/19/2013 10:32:52 AM EDT
[#38]
Remove $59 worn out Chinese UPS from equation.

Repro?
6/19/2013 10:33:25 AM EDT
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if the tv is on a UPS, I work on them every day, and it goes off, then the UPS is bad.

there is NO other choice. if the UPS did what its for it would supply power.



would replacing a light fixture cause a UPS to go bad?

BTW If i hit the breaker for the TV the UPS takes over and the tv never flickers.


it's about sine waves dude.
6/19/2013 10:33:42 AM EDT
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Beware if there is a little smidge of black tape wrapped around the negative wire...it means it's a positive ground system for you automotive types.



I'm going to find me a plumbing guy for the next pipeline project I need to start up...it's just a pipe and some valves, right?




6/19/2013 10:34:53 AM EDT
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What type of bulb in the fixture?  Funky energy saving fluorescents?
6/19/2013 10:36:10 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere




Is that dutch for "Ground" ?


NO its English for Neutral if you don't know the difference between a Neutral and a ground you have no business messing with electrical wiring


what if you only have two wires, black and white, in your house wiring? is that bad or just old?
6/19/2013 10:36:55 AM EDT
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holy crapola.. what the fuck have i done here.....


I'm going to go steal some copper from a sub station now for offending GD... Peace out.. stop by the house, before it burns to the ground, for free guns and ammo. Oh and the gang bang.. don't forget to ask for the gang bang.


Do people actually still say that?  

6/19/2013 10:37:05 AM EDT
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Hot(black) is....hot, neutral(white) is .....a return of sorts, ground(bare)is......earth ground ie. a path to earth in case shit that is not supposed to be electrified gets that way.

Change anything recently?
6/19/2013 10:37:38 AM EDT
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Got a loose neutral somewhere


hmm
6/19/2013 10:38:07 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Putting up a light fixture isn't rocket science. Having the TV not turn off when you use said light.....





6/19/2013 10:38:23 AM EDT
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Hot(black) is....hot, neutral(white) is .....a return of sorts, ground(bare)is......earth ground ie. a path to earth in case shit that is not supposed to be electrified gets that way.


well said.
6/19/2013 10:39:03 AM EDT
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holy crapola.. what the fuck have i done here.....


I'm going to go steal some copper from a sub station now for offending GD... Peace out.. stop by the house, before it burns to the ground, for free guns and ammo. Oh and the gang bang.. don't forget to ask for the gang bang.


Do people actually still say that?  



Only people who say AC has a positive and a negative wire.  So pretty small group.
6/19/2013 10:39:20 AM EDT
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Remove $59 worn out Chinese UPS from equation.

Repro?


Its an APC (dont have the model in front of me). Cost me around 500 bucks a few years back... Just replaced the battery inside in the winter..

but like i said. It just started happening when i replaced the fixture and only happens when i let the light sit for a few minutes.
6/19/2013 10:40:03 AM EDT
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AC sucks. I've been bitten by it..

your acting like putting up a light fixture is rocket science.


Putting up a light fixture isn't rocket science. Having the TV not turn off when you use said light.....







touché
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