Posted: 4/13/2013 3:37:10 PM EDT
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Not really a question for anyone on this board but it's a good question to ask those who do support it.
Number one question for those who favor “universal background checks” – how do you enforce them? In other words, how will authorities know if an individual who possesses a firearm submitted to a background check? If they can answer this question without needing to resort to a database, or a registry, then I am all ears. |
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All they can do is punish you after the fact, and the fear of that would compel some to comply. Ergo, I sell you my shotgun with an ad on craigslist, and you shoot someone. The gun is traced to me, and I can't 'prove" we exchanged it at an FFL holder. Or, the above but with a cop posing as a buyer, making an example out of me.
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Not really a question for anyone on this board but it's a good question to ask those who do support it. Number one question for those who favor “universal background checks” – how do you enforce them? In other words, how will authorities know if an individual who possesses a firearm submitted to a background check? If they can answer this question without needing to resort to a database, or a registry, then I am all ears. PA has required all handguns go through an FFL since 1995. If a handgun is confiscated, it's traced from manufacturer/importer to distributor/dealer to the various owners. If an owner doesn't remember what he did with a gun sold a decade ago, they'll drag him in front of a grand jury, hoping for a perjury charge or an admission of violating PA law. It's designed to punish the seller, not the buyer. |
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In S 649 it states that the Attorney General has 1 year to implement a publicly viewed websit of state rankings of NICS checks this is vague and could be the catalyst for the registration for firearms.
Another part of the bill is that if your firearms are missing or stolen you have 24 hours to report the firearms to the local law enforcement AND the Attorney general himself. If you do not you will charged under illegal trafficking of firearms and would face up to 25 years in prison. So you better have the serial numbers of your weapons ready to report and most people do not know there serial numbers so what will eventually happen is that they will have to have these weapons registered in order to prevent anyone from going to jail for a missing or stolen firearm. Also the AG sets the price for all firearm transfers which he could make it nearly impossible to purchase a firearm due to increasingly high fees. This is just one way for the government to generate revenue. There is a lot more in this bill but this is just the tip of the iceberg |
| How would it stop anyonefrom still selling/giving a gun illegally which hadn't been bought through a dealer?...it wont, crime wont be affected, mass shooter will commit a dozen crimes and kill a buncha people with a handgun AR15 again and all of this will repeat, yada, yada, yada, no more guns, 3rd world America is safer with total gun control and crime skyrockets, millions continue to own/use guns but they'rhe all criminals and the police who aren't bought off make random examples out of people just trying to survive and protect themselves from the ruling FSA. ...I could be wrong...I hope |
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Not really a question for anyone on this board but it's a good question to ask those who do support it. Number one question for those who favor “universal background checks” – how do you enforce them? In other words, how will authorities know if an individual who possesses a firearm submitted to a background check? If they can answer this question without needing to resort to a database, or a registry, then I am all ears. PA has required all handguns go through an FFL since 1995. If a handgun is confiscated, it's traced from manufacturer/importer to distributor/dealer to the various owners. If an owner doesn't remember what he did with a gun sold a decade ago, they'll drag him in front of a grand jury, hoping for a perjury charge or an admission of violating PA law. It's designed to punish the seller, not the buyer. Gun is built in 1985 Sent to distributor, then to retail store in Florida Sold to 1st owner in 1985 Owner #1 trades it in to a store in 1990 Owner #2 buys it, pawns it off in 1993 Pawn shop sells it in 1994 Owner #3 buys it in 1994 moves to Montana but then trades it to a friend in 1995. Owner #4 sold it in 1996. Owner #5 moved to Louisiana and later turned it in to a gun buy back program in 1999. City auctioned off gun in 2000 to raise money for the city. Owner #6 bought the gun from the city via FFL. They moved to Texas in 2005. Later traded that gun in 2006. Owner #7 sold off gun during the panic of 2008 to an out of state buyer in Idaho via FFL. Owner #8 traded the gun in 2009. Owner #9 sold that gun later in 2009. Owner #10 had that gun stolen from his car in 2010. Owner #11 traded the stolen gun in 2010. Owner #12 moved from Idaho to South Carolina and traded the gun off. Owner #13 sold the gun to a buyer in Oklahoma via FFL in 2011. Owner #14 sold the gun in 2013 Owner #15 now has the gun. Someone stole the gun from Owner #15 and shot someone. Gun is recovered at the scene. How is it effectively traced to buyer #15 |
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Not really a question for anyone on this board but it's a good question to ask those who do support it. Number one question for those who favor “universal background checks” – how do you enforce them? In other words, how will authorities know if an individual who possesses a firearm submitted to a background check? If they can answer this question without needing to resort to a database, or a registry, then I am all ears. PA has required all handguns go through an FFL since 1995. If a handgun is confiscated, it's traced from manufacturer/importer to distributor/dealer to the various owners. If an owner doesn't remember what he did with a gun sold a decade ago, they'll drag him in front of a grand jury, hoping for a perjury charge or an admission of violating PA law. It's designed to punish the seller, not the buyer. Gun is built in 1985 <snipped for brevity> Someone stole the gun from Owner #15 and shot someone. Gun is recovered at the scene. How is it effectively traced to buyer #15 It's not. As I said, the whole system is designed to torment previous owners. |