[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Lgs issue (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 4/9/2013 9:37:10 AM EDT
| I bought a pistol from an andividual and had it shipped to my LGS , it arrived yesterday afternoon . They told me to come back today . Still wont sell it to be because they still havnt entered it ino the bound book . Wtf . How long does this take ? Now they are telling me to come back tomorrow . How long should this take ? |
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Quoted: I bought a pistol from an andividual and had it shipped to my LGS , it arrived yesterday afternoon . They told me to come back today . Still wont sell it to be because they still havnt entered it ino the bound book . Wtf . How long does this take ? Now they are telling me to come back tomorrow . How long should this take ? They are probably running the serial number through the system to make sure it's not listed as stolen. I bought a used gun at a LGS many years ago and had to wait 3 days because they were doing a background check on the gun. |
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They can transfer it without entering it into the bound book. If they have the proof of who transferred it to them and who they transferred it to, they are okay.
If they claim they have to have the dates right in the bound book, ask them why they did not log it in on the day they received it. They're being lazy and arrogant. |
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Here's the actual answer
Q: How much time does a dealer have to record acquisitions and dispositions of firearms in his or her “bound book?” Generally, licensees have to enter the acquisition or purchase of a firearm by the close of the next business day after the acquisition or purchase and shall record sales or other dispositions within 7 days. However, if commercial records containing the required information are available for inspection and are separate from other commercial documents, dealers have 7 days from the time of receipt to record the receipt in the “bound book.” If a disposition is made before the acquisition has been entered in the “bound book,&rdquo the acquisition entry must be made at the same time as the disposition entry. [27 CFR 478.125] |
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I bought a pistol from an andividual and had it shipped to my LGS , it arrived yesterday afternoon . They told me to come back today . Still wont sell it to be because they still havnt entered it ino the bound book . Wtf . How long does this take ? Now they are telling me to come back tomorrow . How long should this take ? I had that happen to me a few years ago. I sent a Smith & Wesson back to the factory three times for the same problem. I called S&W and was told that they had sent a new replacement gun to my dealer. I went to my dealer and was told that I would have to wait about three days until it was logged in. 
They told me to come back on a Saturday, when I went back, they couldn't find the gun, after about 20 minutes of going through the invoices from that day, the found that one of the clerks sold it. After arguing with the manager for awhile, he finally decided to give me a better model from his stock. 
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Really? Even though he is paying for a transfer? Why are gun dealers such assholes? |
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Yep, 24 hours There is a deadline to enter received firearms into the bound book. I should know it because I'm an FFL but I always just do them same day. It's supposed to be entered by the close of the business day which it was received. I'm guessing someone there has done something to/with your gun and they're playing for time to fix it or cover it up. Maybe they're not done shooting it yet?  Just be patient, you'll get your turn.
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too.  Good thing ill never have to go to his shitty business . |
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Quoted: What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Nice. One more user name in the "avoid at all costs" file. |
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Yeah please tell me what store you are so I never do business there. Your comment as a businessman is beyond stupid. Actually I take that back. It is stupid. |
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Maybe you should post up the name of your fine establishment. Sounds like you're a straight shooter. |
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Maybe you should post up the name of your fine establishment. Sounds like you're a straight shooter. I second this motion |
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Nice. One more user name in the "avoid at all costs" file. +1
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Ain't you just a glass of piss in the hot sun. |
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Maybe you should post up the name of your fine establishment. Sounds like you're a straight shooter. I second this motion The troll doesn't have the fucking balls to do it. I bet he's not even a dealer. |
| What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. |
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What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. Well there's a fucking idea , maybe they don't make PPK pistols anymore with a short tang ? Unless they can magically pull a LNIB Walther PPK made in 1980 out their ass I'm not buying from them. And the transfer is 50 dollars . You need to shut up. |
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I bought a pistol from an andividual and had it shipped to my LGS , it arrived yesterday afternoon . They told me to come back today . Still wont sell it to be because they still havnt entered it ino the bound book . Wtf . How long does this take ? Now they are telling me to come back tomorrow . How long should this take ? They are probably running the serial number through the system to make sure it's not listed as stolen. I bought a used gun at a LGS many years ago and had to wait 3 days because they were doing a background check on the gun. That check you speak of is LEADS and literally only takes about 30 sec to check nationwide |
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What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. That transfer customer that you want so badly to treat like shit is also a new face walking through your door that may need ammo, holsters, or accessories for his new gun. It is a great opportunity to win over a new customer and build rapport so that they may actually give you a chance to price match on their next purchase. No one is keeping the lights on from just doing transfers but your horrible attitude is doing nothing but driving away potential customers when you could be winning them over. You are just proving a negative stereotype in our industry and it is really sad. |
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Quoted: What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. New customers. How do they work? |
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What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. You sound like you have shitty prices. If I can buy the gun online, get it shipped to your store, pay the transfer fee, and still pay less money than you charge for the gun, you should be happy that you see any of my money...especially with your attitude. I'd rather buy a gun from my local FFL because he's an awesome guy, but he doesn't carry much inventory at all. So, he does my transfers and has made hundreds of dollars off of me by providing that service. I'm not sure how performing a transfer is making you lose money. It should take about 15 minutes of your time, max. Sounds like your prices are making you lose money. EDIT: Wasted post 223 for this... |
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Maybe you should post up the name of your fine establishment. Sounds like you're a straight shooter. I second this motion The troll doesn't have the fucking balls to do it. I bet he's not even a dealer. +1 |
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What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Maybe you should post up the name of your fine establishment. Sounds like you're a straight shooter. I second this motion The troll doesn't have the fucking balls to do it. I bet he's not even a dealer. +1 What a douche nozzle You sound just like the guy at one of my local shops, the one who went bankrupt and into foreclosure. customer service, how does that work again? |
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What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. I disagree with your logic. It's tough for anyone with a storefront to compete with the internet, no matter the business type, but making money where you can IS NOT losing money. Poor customer service IS losing money. |
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What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. You sound like you have shitty prices. If I can buy the gun online, get it shipped to your store, pay the transfer fee, and still pay less money than you charge for the gun, you should be happy that you see any of my money...especially with your attitude. I'd rather buy a gun from my local FFL because he's an awesome guy, but he doesn't carry much inventory at all. So, he does my transfers and has made hundreds of dollars off of me by providing that service. I'm not sure how performing a transfer is making you lose money. It should take about 15 minutes of your time, max. Sounds like your prices are making you lose money. EDIT: Wasted post 223 for this... Yes. This. My local FFL has a shop and carries a pretty good inventory, but I've never had him dick around on a transfer for me. He always calls me the day it comes in and I can usually go down that afternoon if I have time or the next day and pick it up. Plus, I don't see how you are losing money either. Usually while I'm picking up my transfer, I will almost always buy something else. Be it ammo, holster, or some kind of gear of some sort. So, he usually ends up making the transfer fee plus whatever else I buy while I'm there. I used to have to fill out A&D books when where I worked would receive and sell firearms. Our policy was to log it into the book as soon as it came through the back door. It's one line in the book. Make, Model, Serial, Type, Caliber/Gauge, Date, and FFL of who you received it from. The whole process takes all of 15 seconds. Don't understand why the OP's gunshop and the above guy is making such a big deal about it. For those of you who have never seen one, you open it up and you fill out the left side when you receive the gun, and the right side when you sell/transfer it. It looks something like this... 
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I recently found a local gunsmith/FFL to do some work for me. I asked him if he does transfers. He replied that usually only for used firearms and not generally new ones because he can order and sell NIB products. I totally understand his reasoning and appreciate him being upfront.
I would be pissed if I was getting jerked around like the OP. When you finally do get your firearm, inform them of your complete displeasure and intent not to patronize his business again. Jesus, it bugs the shit out of me when merchants forget who is providing the service and who is relinquishing their money. If you don't like doing transfers or do not make enough money at it then stop and go back to selling your own inventory. Fuck 'em. |
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What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. New customers. How do they work?
New customers are people coming to a shop to do business because the last place dicked them over. I use a small pawn shop that doesn't sell any new guns and only deals with trade ins. Cuts out a bunch of the crap. No gun shop drama, lies,etc. They are happy to make $25 for 10 minutes of their time. |
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Quoted: What type of gun is it? Is it something that they have in stock for sale? They're not obligated to complete the transaction for 7 days. If the gun was something I already had in inventory I would fuck you around too. Either do transfers or don’t do transfers... If you choose to do them don’t be a dick about it. |
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What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. New customers. How do they work?
Not to mention the fact that a transfer gun = no inventory cost, but that doesn't matter because ratnicks stuff flys off the shelves same day, and he's never picked a loser when ordering stock. Right? |
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What other retail sales establishments allow you to pay someone else for a product they themselves stock and then pick it up at their store just because they are closer and more convenient? Even if a gun store charges a transfer fee they loose money on this sort of thing. The transfer fee would need to be $50.00 + to make a profit on this sort of thing. Businesses do exist to make money. Does anyone ever think to ask a gun dealer if they have or can get a particular item before they order it from some faceless place on the internet? Perhaps if you asked, a dealer would match a price that you found on the internet. removed...krp |