Posted: 9/23/2002 8:57:57 AM EDT
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My Brother in Law is wanting to purchase an AR10. I have looked around some but cant find much info since my computer died and I can only look a few minutes a day at work. Where is the best place/places to find new or used Ar10s? I went to the Armalite site but the prices seemed kind of high. Gunsamerica.com had several but they seemed a bit pricey too. What are the good and bad points about the AR10 rifle? He is wanting a flat top for a dedicated scope gun. Accuracy? Thanks |
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[url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=30&t=93028&w=myTopicPop[/url] Look there for all of the info on the newest AR10 made by DPMS. Its along the lines of the Armalite AT10T target model and seems very promising. This thread also has info on the group buy that is being worked on as of right now. Post there on what you'd like to see. If you want more of a battle rifle, then go for the armalite, the DPMS is a 24" SS barrel match gun. |
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Quoted: Talk to Dave at www.QuanticoArms.com discounted prices great service. Tell thim Stevan Wofse sent ya. I LOVE my AR10A4! $1350 for a non-match gun when he can get a match gun for under $1000 from DPMS, a sponsor of this site? The Armalite rifle which is comparable to the DPMS goes for $2050. Hmmmmm. |
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Well, considering that the DPMS rifle will be using proprietary 10-round mags ONLY, and that few if any have yet been sold, I don't see that as much of a comparison to the established AR10, which can use hi-caps. Also, note that you can get an Eagle Arms AR10 for $999 MSRP, or an Eagle Arms lower for under $300 and have a custom upper built for you. -Troy |
| Eagle arms is actually the original company that currently produces the Armalite line. The Eagle arms AR10 lacks only the lifetime warranty. You should be able to put a Eagle lower with a AR10T upper for a little over a grand. I frequently hear of 5/8" groups with these rifles. I own only one rifle myself...an AR10A4. I could own more rifles but enjoy my '10 too much. Planerench out. |
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Quoted: Troy, Does Eagle Arms have their own website? Is it "equal" in quality to the Armalite? rag, first let me tell you I'm the moderator for the AR-10 & AR-180 Forum and my opinion may be suspect !! Eagle Arms is a division of ArmaLite and the rifle is of similar quality to ArmaLite. Should you want an AR-10 lower, for example, you must buy Eagle as ArmaLite will not sell a separate lower excepting the Eagle brand. All rifles branded ArmaLite leave the factory as complete guns. |
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Quoted: Well, considering that the DPMS rifle will be using proprietary 10-round mags ONLY, and that few if any have yet been sold, I don't see that as much of a comparison to the established AR10, which can use hi-caps. Also, note that you can get an Eagle Arms AR10 for $999 MSRP, or an Eagle Arms lower for under $300 and have a custom upper built for you. -Troy Actually, the DPMS gun take SR25 mags, so yes it does take hi cap magazines. And no, I wasn't at the BRC, but I think Armalite is overpriced. I own several DPMS guns and can atest to their superb accuracy, which is why i'm interested in that gun and don't really care about the hi cap cost issue. |
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Quoted: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=2&f=30&t=93028&w=myTopicPop[/url] Look there for all of the info on the newest AR10 made by DPMS. Its along the lines of the Armalite AT10T target model and seems very promising. This thread also has info on the group buy that is being worked on as of right now. Post there on what you'd like to see. If you want more of a battle rifle, then go for the armalite, the DPMS is a 24" SS barrel match gun. Balzac72, "AR-10" is a mark owned by ArmaLite and DPMS cannot have an AR-10. |
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Quoted: Talk to Dave at www.QuanticoArms.com discounted prices great service. Tell thim Stevan Wofse sent ya. I LOVE my AR10A4! I agree on Dave and Quantico Arms. Checked them out with ArmaLite and they get an A+. Both ArmaLite and Quantico Arms are supporters of AR15.com |
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My own AR10 A4 with a non-freefloating chrome lined 20 inch barrel has done some excellent groups with handloads, 5 shots down under 1 inch at 100 yards. Couple of 3 shot groups that went into 3/8-1/2 inch. Rifle is in serious need of a new trigger, it's heavy and creepy. Very darned nice rifle. If I could, I'd buy an Eagle Arms lower receiver to build up another in a target variant if it wasn't for me living in Ca. Gonna have to build on the one I currently have, will keep the 308Win upper as is but the lower assembly will get a lot of new parts and eventually a new accurized upper assembly in somethin like 260Remington will be made topped with a Nightforce scope. Currently, Armalite makes a great product. I'd be sorta hesitant with the DPMS rifle, being that it's gonna be a first generation rifle of sorts(based on AR10 and SR25 perhaps), it may have some growing pains until it gets ironed out. It's something that both the AR10 and the SR25 had to go through, I wouldn't be surprised if the DPMS rifle will have to endure something similar. Wish the rifle the best of luck, I'll cross my fingers that it has a smooth launch and doesn't have to endure what has become an AR legacy of sorts with each new AR design brought to market. |
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Quoted: $1350 for a non-match gun when he can get a match gun for under $1000 from DPMS, a sponsor of this site? The Armalite rifle which is comparable to the DPMS goes for $2050. Hmmmmm. Well, let's be fair. The DPMS rifle is $1200, and uses original AR10 mags or DPMS-made 10-rounders. The $1000 you were quoting is dealer pricing, not MSRP. -Troy |
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I have an AR-10A4 flattop with match trigger and the standard chrome lined barrel. It came with the Armalite 1 piece scope mount so I added a Leupold 3x9 vari 2. I'm very satisfied with the rifle. It has NEVER malfunctioned. Last weekend I shot 0.75" groups at 100 yds with some handloaded Hornady 168 HPBT - Match bullets and Reloader 15....not bad shooting for an old fart [rolleyes]. Actually the rifle did it, all I did was hang on for dear life [:D] I highly recommend this rifle. |
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Quoted: Well, let's be fair. The DPMS rifle is $1200, and uses [u]original AR10 mags[/u] or DPMS-made 10-rounders. -Troy Huh. Well, you guys that are planning on buying the DPMS rifle: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=24&t=141331[/url] Or maybe I should keep it and buy a rifle to fit the mag? |
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AR-10T owner here. Mine is more accurate than my Remington 700 PSS. Not bad for a semi-auto - and I have 20 round mags. Good points... I wouldn't know where to start. Too many to list. Bad points... Mags cost 80 dollars each for 20 rounders. Conversion kits are cheaper but you need to send Armalite an M14 mag body as proof of owning said magazine being converted. This policy really pisses me off. Beautiful, reliable and accurate firearms. Policy on mag conversions suck, but there ya go. |
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DPMS focuses on production of inexpensive rifles. They use a lot of extrusions and castings that aren't as nice looking or strong as the forgings Armalite uses. DPMS has shown their rifle for the past couple of years but I would buy the Armalite. I don't like mag pricing either but SR25 mags are what, $125 each? Its not convenient to send in mag bodies to get AR-10 bodies but that's forced by Armalite's supplier from what I've read. At least the converted mags work in both AR-10s and M-14s. You just switch out the follower. |
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I live near Geneseo, IL, and Westrom is a friend of a friend. He originally bought Eagle Arms, then found the owners of the ArmaLite name, and bought it. He decided parts would be Eagle Arms and complete guns would be ArmaLite. There is no difference other than the name on the part. I have heard good things about Quantico Arms as an ArmaLite dealer (I presume the good things extend over to their other dealings as well). Love my AR-10A4BS. Not sure if it is more accurate than my 700 PSS, yet. Will have to find out sometime. Talked to folks at ArmaLite. Buy el cheapo M1A/M14 mags from Cheaper Than Dirt ($12.95). Disassemble and send in mag body(ies) to ArmaLite along with money for the mag conversions. You end up with complete mags for about $48 + shipping. |
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Quoted: Well, considering that the DPMS rifle will be using proprietary 10-round mags ONLY, and that few if any have yet been sold, I don't see that as much of a comparison to the established AR10, which can use hi-caps. The MBR guys always claim the 7.62mm is 20X better than the puny 5.56mm, so 10 rounds of 7.62 mm = 200 rounds of 5.56mm - TWO Beta-C 100 round mags!![;)][;)][;)] [bounce][bounce] |
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In defense of my little AR10. Just a little history on the AR10 1963 model [url]www.dennysguns.com/showca....php?id=48[/url] History [url]www.armalite.com/library/...istory.htm[/url] Magazine When I purchased my AR10tnc, I also purchased 20 magazine conversion kits at the costs of the 30 dollars per kit. I then went to the local gun show and bought 20 M1a magazines. I bought the cheapest ones I could find. From one table I bought 10 magazines for 25 dollars. These magazines were dented and unusable in an M1a but could be used for the conversion kits. I found 10 more that were in about the same conditions for a good price. Total cost per 20 round complete AR10 magazine was 42 dollars. Still costly but not near 100 dollars. (note to self buy more converstion kits and resell at higher price) Reliabilty I have a friend with a DSA58 (FAL) that thought the AR10 was not reliable, so while at the range we had a little competition. We used the dirtiest old ammunition we could find. We also used to some of the best reloads I could make. The end result after 250 rounds and no cleaning, AR10 - one failure to feed DSA – one failure to extract Accuracy We used Federal 168 Match ammunition, 3 round group. Last 3 rounds fired. AR10 - .52 @ 100 yards DSA – 1.98 @ 100 yards Cost of the Rifles AR10 target Navy Carbine 1700.00 DSA (FAL) 1450.00 The real difference in cost is the fact that my AR10 is the target model. SS barrel, 2 stage trigger, free floated, and a true sub MOA weapon. End Result They both did great considering the fact we dropped all the ammunition in the dirt before we started. As for myself, I think I will stay with the AR10tnc. Some people say that AR10 is not a combat type rifle, I would disagree. Also during the Gulf War and my time in the Marines, I just got comfortable with the AR. I will always keep my pre/ban AR-15's but the AR-10 just gives that extra kick. DPMS = Daily PMS Hawaii |
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Hey, remember the pricing on Armalite's page is MSRP. You'll be hardpressed to find a decent dealer selling them for more than $1850 MAX (for an AR-10(T) with the scope mount. Also, I don't know, But I persionally wouldn't EXPECT the DPMS rifle to give the same quallity or accuracy as an Ar-10(T) or SR-25 Match. Maybe a few years down the road. . . . But Knights and Armamalite kidna have this stuff down. Again, the DPMS might be a great or even better rifle, but owning an AR-10A2C and having a friend with a SWEET AR-10(t) I think they would be VERY hard pressed to do as well, and nearly impossably to do better. The Knights rifle is a fine piece of work, but general concensus around here is unless you want a pre-ban, it's not worth the extra $1k+++ and double the cost of mags/parts. Also, recently I have heard Knights' Cust. Service was ranking right up there next to HK's. . . On the wait time and hassle to get new parts list. Knights DOES GARRENTY (sp) sub-MOA accuracy, were-as Armalite doesn't,[ but will do warrenty work if you arn't getting decent (sub-MOA) accuracy]. Armalite service makes me :-) :-) :-) :-). I wish my HK's were made by Armalite so I could get my freaking HK gun back. . . . . -Justin |
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Quoted: My brand new AR10(T) with the .243 upper cost me $1,700.00 from my local dealer. I loved it so much, I immediately ordered the M15A4(T) .223, but, with a 20" SS Match barrel instead of the 24" There ain't NO equals, out there. IMHO Yep. I too picked the .243 for my AR-10(T) rifle. I have an AR-10(T) carbine in .308 and am getting a 10A4 upper in .308 to also use with that lower. None of this stuff is cheap but there's lots of versatility. |
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For our AR10ers - Have any of you tried the new upper by SSK Ind in .300WSM yet? How about making one in .50 Whisper (.308 necked up to .50 and loaded to about 1050fps - barely subsonic?) I like the idea of the .300WSM, and would have made one myself had I had the means to when the calibre came out (likely, I'd have done it in 7mm WSM, but I do tend to like the 7mm family...) I have also had occasion to shoot the .300 Whisper (.223 -> .308@1025fps,) and I really think it is nearly the perfect LE sharpshooter cartridge... Plus, the .300 Whisper can be loaded into anything that will feed .223 (think AR or Mini-14) without LOOKING like a sharpshooter's rifle - add a "returnable zero" scope mount, and yer damn near good to go! Range? The .300W is rock solid and flat to about 125 yards. Don't sound like much? Last time I checked, the longest police long-gun engagement was 78 yards - a little more than half the ideal range of the .300W. The Whisper series also works VERY well suppressed, and would allow "hostage negotiation" to take place with a minimum of "collateral annoyance." FFZ |