Posted: 2/16/2013 4:45:21 AM EDT
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I ordered 3 lowers from Code Red on January 8th and they still haven't shipped. I didn't see the thread about the owner sponsoring the illegal gun buy-back and the stupid commentshe made afterwards until yesterday, and now I have a decision to make.
Obviously, I do not want to support anyone who will appease those who want to infringe upon what the 2A stands for. I do believe that in the fight to protect the 2A, as consumers we must vote with our wallets. But the Scorpion roll mark means more to me than saying it is a lower sold by Code Red. In 2005 I was deployed in Iraq and as many of you probably know, the Iraqi Security Forces (in general) were not a high quality fighting force, especially at that time in the war. All except one of the Iraqi Police chiefs in our area of operations were in bed with the insurgency. The Iraqi Army units were a little better, but many of the IA commanders who really wanted to improve their areas were killed, or shipped off to other areas of Iraq that they were less familiar with and subsequently became ineffective in combating insurgents. The Iraqi general who was in charge of all Ministry of Interior forces was playing both sides of the fence. He would do enough to keep us happy but never enough to become a high value target of the different insurgent groups. In the middle of all of this was an Iraqi SWAT that was only answerable to the provincial governor. They had been trained by 5th and 10th SF Groups and were very tactically competent. This was the only Iraqi unit we could trust to fight beside. Governors of neighboring provinces would request that this unit be sent in to their province for major operations because of how effective this unit was. One of the main staff officers turned in a member of his own family because he tried but failed to get his cousin to stop participating in attacks on US and Iraqis. This unit at, especially at that time, was one of the few Iraqi units who actually gave a shit about Iraq, and not about being Sunni vs. Shia or Arab vs. Kurd. Because of the amount of action this unit saw, they took a lot of casualties on operations and became a high value target to insurgents. A few months into our deployment, a Jordanian foreign fighter blew himself up at their recruiting station killed over 100 potential recruits and injured many more. When that recruiting station re-opened 2 weeks later, the line to join the SWAT unit was 3 blocks long, over twice as long as it was the day of the suicide vest attack. Every Iraqi SWAT unit had a mascot or logo, so even though they were officially named the provincial SWAT unit, they had an unofficial name too. The SWAT unit that fought so bravely, took so many casualties, and fought for their country when other Iraqi units were fighting for their tribe or religious sect, had a red scorpion as its logo and was called the Scorpion Brigade by the locals in the area who depended on them to kill the bad guys in their villages and called the same thing by the insurgents who usually got their ass handed to them by the SWAT unit. I wanted to build an AR with that scorpion roll mark and fill it in with red paint as kind of a tribute to them, for the bravery in how they fought, for the reasons why they fought, and for the men they lost. Obviously, ITAR prevents me from giving this to any of them, even if any of the SWAT guys I worked closely with were still alive. But I can keep it in my safe, maybe bring it to the range and if anyone asks about it tell them it is a tribute carbine to the brave Iraqis I fought with, show some of the Americans I was with that deployment the rifle with a red scorpion roll mark and they’ll know what it represents, or one day tell my kids or grandkids about how that red scorpion represents fighting for your country and what it stands for, no matter what country that is. The way Tony Vega signs his correspondence as Tony “the Scorpion” Vega really pisses me off, because to him that scorpion roll mark represents himself, not even the company, but it is his personal mark. I don’t want that piece of shit’s personal mark on a weapon I am building in memory of men so great, but I also feel a strong desire to honor those brave warriors in some way. I have all but decided to go ahead and cancel 2 of the lowers on my order and just get one and build it as my tribute carbine. I guess my question to everyone is, do you understand why I am still ordering one lower and are there any alternatives to getting something with a scorpion roll mark or similar without having to give money to someone in bed with the gun grabbers? I put a lot of thought into this post so I ask that you do the same with your response. |
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I can't vouch for the quality of these but:
custom roll mark lower $150 lower, shipping June 30 (read the link page.) If you have a copy of the scorpion they used, you can put that exact one on the mag well. |
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I can't vouch for the quality of these but: custom roll mark lower $150 lower, shipping June 30 (read the link page.) If you have a copy of the scorpion they used, you can put that exact one on the mag well. That's definitely a plausible alternative. I am sure I can dig up a picture from that tour and find their scorpion. I will be away for training from May until August so I wonder if my FFL can sit on it for a few months. Can anyone speak for the quality of the lower? |
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I can't vouch for the quality of these but: custom roll mark lower $150 lower, shipping June 30 (read the link page.) If you have a copy of the scorpion they used, you can put that exact one on the mag well. That's definitely a plausible alternative. I am sure I can dig up a picture from that tour and find their scorpion. I will be away for training from May until August so I wonder if my FFL can sit on it for a few months. Can anyone speak for the quality of the lower? For those that hate to click links, the link is for: Shadow Ops Weaponry Click To View Spoiler ETA: Only problem I see is that they are in CO. not sure how upcoming laws affect them. |
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Go the custom route brother. It will have all the meaing and none of the Code Red bullshit. Yeah. This put me over the top about it. Thanks for simplifying it. Fuck them. 
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Go the custom route brother. It will have all the meaing and none of the Code Red bullshit. Yeah. This put me over the top about it. Thanks for simplifying it. Fuck them. http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/CodeRedCancel_zps19dcdd6f.png http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/CodeRedCancel_zps19dcdd6f.png Nice. |
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Code Red had a misguided attempt at trying to work with the hard core anti-gun liberals who actually make the laws and tried to get them to see the light. They apologized for it and said it won't happen again. Unless they have done something terrible since then I don't understand the continued hate towards them. What have you people done to attempt to make a hard core anti-gun liberal mayor more accommodating to guns? Probably nothing but whine about it and then cry when they pass anti-gun laws like New York did. At least Code Red was trying to change the anti-gun mayor's opinion of guns and gun owners. I'll buy your Code Red lowers for the price you paid. Then you won't have to deal with the issue.
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Code Red had a misguided attempt at trying to work with the hard core anti-gun liberals who actually make the laws and tried to get them to see the light. They apologized for it and said it won't happen again. Unless they have done something terrible since then I don't understand the continued hate towards them. What have you people done to attempt to make a hard core anti-gun liberal mayor more accommodating to guns? Probably nothing but whine about it and then cry when they pass anti-gun laws like New York did. At least Code Red was trying to change the anti-gun mayor's opinion of guns and gun owners. I'll buy your Code Red lowers for the price you paid. Then you won't have to deal with the issue. Ah Swire, it's part of his political amibitions in Miami. Vega is a snake. |
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I can't vouch for the quality of these but: custom roll mark lower $150 lower, shipping June 30 (read the link page.) If you have a copy of the scorpion they used, you can put that exact one on the mag well. That's definitely a plausible alternative. I am sure I can dig up a picture from that tour and find their scorpion. I will be away for training from May until August so I wonder if my FFL can sit on it for a few months. Can anyone speak for the quality of the lower? For those that hate to click links, the link is for: Shadow Ops Weaponry Click To View Spoiler ETA: Only problem I see is that they are in CO. not sure how upcoming laws affect them. I found this place, and they do the red engraving which would be perfect for the red scorpion logo. Looks like they have done a lower for an ARFCOM member before http://www.orion-arms.com/gun-engraving/custom-firearm-engraving.html |
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Code Red had a misguided attempt at trying to work with the hard core anti-gun liberals who actually make the laws and tried to get them to see the light. They apologized for it and said it won't happen again. Unless they have done something terrible since then I don't understand the continued hate towards them. What have you people done to attempt to make a hard core anti-gun liberal mayor more accommodating to guns? Probably nothing but whine about it and then cry when they pass anti-gun laws like New York did. At least Code Red was trying to change the anti-gun mayor's opinion of guns and gun owners. I'll buy your Code Red lowers for the price you paid. Then you won't have to deal with the issue. Already cancelled my order, so I can't oblige. And you can't honestly read his apology and think it is completely sincere can you? |
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"Code Red Firearms Supports Citizens' 2nd Amendment Rights
Recently companies such as LaRue Tactical and Olympic Arms and others announced they will no longer sell prohibited items to government agencies and personnel in states denying civilians to own those same items. It has been and will continue to be Code Red Firearms policy not to sell prohibited items to government agencies and agents in states, counties, cities and municipalities that have enacted restrictive gun control laws against their citizens. We support and encourage other companies that share in this sentiment." Was just posted on the Facebook. Not sure how I feel about it... |
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Go the custom route brother. It will have all the meaing and none of the Code Red bullshit. Yeah. This put me over the top about it. Thanks for simplifying it. Fuck them. http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/CodeRedCancel_zps19dcdd6f.png http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/CodeRedCancel_zps19dcdd6f.png Well done. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Code Red had a misguided attempt at trying to work with the hard core anti-gun liberals who actually make the laws and tried to get them to see the light. They apologized for it and said it won't happen again. Unless they have done something terrible since then I don't understand the continued hate towards them. What have you people done to attempt to make a hard core anti-gun liberal mayor more accommodating to guns? Probably nothing but whine about it and then cry when they pass anti-gun laws like New York did. At least Code Red was trying to change the anti-gun mayor's opinion of guns and gun owners. I'll buy your Code Red lowers for the price you paid. Then you won't have to deal with the issue. Already cancelled my order, so I can't oblige. And you can't honestly read his apology and think it is completely sincere can you? |
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Code Red had a misguided attempt at trying to work with the hard core anti-gun liberals who actually make the laws and tried to get them to see the light. They apologized for it and said it won't happen again. Unless they have done something terrible since then I don't understand the continued hate towards them. What have you people done to attempt to make a hard core anti-gun liberal mayor more accommodating to guns? Probably nothing but whine about it and then cry when they pass anti-gun laws like New York did. At least Code Red was trying to change the anti-gun mayor's opinion of guns and gun owners. I'll buy your Code Red lowers for the price you paid. Then you won't have to deal with the issue. One does not simply "work" with gun grabbing Dems. It's more like collaboration. Those Dems do not give a fuck about compromise, it's not in their vocabulary. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Code Red had a misguided attempt at trying to work with the hard core anti-gun liberals who actually make the laws and tried to get them to see the light. They apologized for it and said it won't happen again. Unless they have done something terrible since then I don't understand the continued hate towards them. What have you people done to attempt to make a hard core anti-gun liberal mayor more accommodating to guns? Probably nothing but whine about it and then cry when they pass anti-gun laws like New York did. At least Code Red was trying to change the anti-gun mayor's opinion of guns and gun owners. I'll buy your Code Red lowers for the price you paid. Then you won't have to deal with the issue. One does not simply "work" with gun grabbing Dems. It's more like collaboration. Those Dems do not give a fuck about compromise, it's not in their vocabulary. So it is just better to do nothing then? The Dems control the Whitehouse and the Senate, I guess the NRA should just pack up and leave Washington then. That is what you are suggesting. The game is called politics and you have to play it even when you aren't in the majority. Politicians care more about getting re-elected than they do their party. They want to make sure the people in their area are happy so that they will vote for them or at least not fund and vote for the opposition. If someone can get a hard core anti-gun politician to back of 10%, that is a 10% victory for gun rights. Name 1 accomplishment GOA has. They have none because they refuse to work with people and people refuse to work with them. I can list 100 accomplishment the NRA has just over the last couple years. The NRA works with the gun grabbing Dems and they influence legislation. Why do you think the sunset clause got put in the 1994 AW ban? The NRA, working with the Dems, got it put in there. If that doesn't show the importance of "trying to work with the enemy" then there is nothing I say that will convince you of that. |
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Code Red had a misguided attempt at trying to work with the hard core anti-gun liberals who actually make the laws and tried to get them to see the light. They apologized for it and said it won't happen again. Unless they have done something terrible since then I don't understand the continued hate towards them. What have you people done to attempt to make a hard core anti-gun liberal mayor more accommodating to guns? Probably nothing but whine about it and then cry when they pass anti-gun laws like New York did. At least Code Red was trying to change the anti-gun mayor's opinion of guns and gun owners. I'll buy your Code Red lowers for the price you paid. Then you won't have to deal with the issue. One does not simply "work" with gun grabbing Dems. It's more like collaboration. Those Dems do not give a fuck about compromise, it's not in their vocabulary. So it is just better to do nothing then? The Dems control the Whitehouse and the Senate, I guess the NRA should just pack up and leave Washington then. That is what you are suggesting. The game is called politics and you have to play it even when you aren't in the majority. Politicians care more about getting re-elected than they do their party. They want to make sure the people in their area are happy so that they will vote for them or at least not fund and vote for the opposition. If someone can get a hard core anti-gun politician to back of 10%, that is a 10% victory for gun rights. Name 1 accomplishment GOA has. They have none because they refuse to work with people and people refuse to work with them. I can list 100 accomplishment the NRA has just over the last couple years. The NRA works with the gun grabbing Dems and they influence legislation. Why do you think the sunset clause got put in the 1994 AW ban? The NRA, working with the Dems, got it put in there. If that doesn't show the importance of "trying to work with the enemy" then there is nothing I say that will convince you of that. The 94' ban was political suicide for the Dems. The surviving Dems sucked off the NRA to try to get back in good graces with the NRA and American gun owners, you can compromise with Dems all you'd like, you be left on your knees with jizz on your face and feeling really silly. Zero fucking compromise |
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Get one of the many lowers that are unmarked on the magwell,such as a Nodak and get the actual unit emblem and name engraved .It'll be far more special. Any recomendations other than Nodak? Since I am building it as a tribute carbine, and it really is only for me, there is no rush on it so I feel better about kanking the Code Red order and deciding to buy a stripped lower once they become available and just doing the custom engraving. I think the SWAT's scorpion looked better than Code Red's scorpion anyways. |
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I just got this reply from him. http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/CodeRedReply_zps960eddac.png this just once again proof what a clown this guy is |
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Code Red had a misguided attempt at trying to work with the hard core anti-gun liberals who actually make the laws and tried to get them to see the light. They apologized for it and said it won't happen again. Unless they have done something terrible since then I don't understand the continued hate towards them. What have you people done to attempt to make a hard core anti-gun liberal mayor more accommodating to guns? Probably nothing but whine about it and then cry when they pass anti-gun laws like New York did. At least Code Red was trying to change the anti-gun mayor's opinion of guns and gun owners. I'll buy your Code Red lowers for the price you paid. Then you won't have to deal with the issue. Already cancelled my order, so I can't oblige. And you can't honestly read his apology and think it is completely sincere can you? did you read his so called apology letter and all the other things prior and even after his apology if not you may want to do that he is one hell of an clown in my humble opinion |
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His reply was immature. Maybe slightly humorous, but not professional. And I don't think I am being too hard in that assessment.
I am going to vote with my wallet. I would hope everyone else does the same. If done en masse, it can have an effect. See S&W under their previous ownership. |
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I just got this reply from him. http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/CodeRedReply_zps960eddac.png this just once again proof what a clown this guy is I actually thought it was a great response. He didn't try and hassle over the cancel, and he tried to lighten the mood at the same time. |
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I just got this reply from him. http://i1355.photobucket.com/albums/q713/bedouin2w/CodeRedReply_zps960eddac.png this just once again proof what a clown this guy is I actually thought it was a great response. He didn't try and hassle over the cancel, and he tried to lighten the mood at the same time. I agree in that respect, but he still hasn't refunded my money! |