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2/7/2013 1:40:19 PM EDT
How 'bout no.

2/7/2013 1:53:45 PM EDT
[#1]
FWD or AWD ?
I think a AWD would be a hoot!  Some competition for the WRX/STI
2/7/2013 1:54:54 PM EDT
[#2]
Probably AWD.
2/7/2013 1:55:46 PM EDT
[#3]
I would like the AWD
2/7/2013 1:56:23 PM EDT
[#4]
That thing is awesome. Reminds me of the Polestar C30. And btw 500hp fwd is a lot more common than you might think there are a bunch of Cobalt SS with more than that on stock internals.
2/7/2013 1:56:31 PM EDT
[#5]

My buddy had a Saab Viggen.

Big power + FWD = Exciting and fun times.

When will the little invisible dwarf grab the wheel and yank it hard to the left?

Only your right foot and the turbo knows...

2/7/2013 1:57:34 PM EDT
[#6]
Another "Better Idea" from Ford.  
2/7/2013 1:58:43 PM EDT
[#7]
Hell, I'd drive it............I like it
2/7/2013 2:00:03 PM EDT
[#8]
An AWD Focus ST capable of taking on the WRX STI and EVO would be the bomb.

An AWD Fiesta ST with the 2.0L Ecoboost would be nearly as cool.  
2/7/2013 2:01:15 PM EDT
[#9]
torque steer from hell.
2/7/2013 2:02:19 PM EDT
[#10]
Badass

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2/7/2013 2:03:23 PM EDT
[#11]
little car like a boss.... I like it
2/7/2013 2:03:42 PM EDT
[#12]
What fun is that?  No thanks, I'd rather have my 400hp red Trans am
2/7/2013 2:07:39 PM EDT
[#13]
thats badass looking but it will be undriveable
2/7/2013 2:08:15 PM EDT
[#14]
I'd rather that than a 500HP oversized, overweight "throwback muscle car" with a fat, overly tall, nondescript rear end.

That looks like you could throw that thing around corners with ease.
2/7/2013 2:09:35 PM EDT
[#15]
I'd trade my WRX for one if it's AWD.
2/7/2013 2:14:45 PM EDT
[#16]
Hell yeah, that thing rocks
2/7/2013 2:15:03 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
I'd trade my WRX for one if it's AWD.


No
2/7/2013 2:15:05 PM EDT
[#18]
I'd sy about 300hp is all that's usable in a regular FWD car.

Anything more it's almost wasted unless you're going for top speed runs.
2/7/2013 2:16:16 PM EDT
[#19]
That thing is FUCKING AWESOME.

Do want.
2/7/2013 2:16:27 PM EDT
[#20]
Quoted:
I'd rather that than a 500HP oversized, overweight "throwback muscle car" with a fat, overly tall, nondescript rear end.

That looks like you could throw that thing around corners with ease.


Not if you wanna have your foot anywhere near the gas pedal while doing so.  Understeer anyone??
2/7/2013 2:19:00 PM EDT
[#21]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd trade my WRX for one if it's AWD.


No


Why not? Ken Block did.
2/7/2013 2:19:52 PM EDT
[#22]
Quoted:
FWD or AWD ?
I think a AWD would be a hoot!  Some competition for the WRX/STI


As an STi owner I'd agree. 500 out of the box would be nuts.
2/7/2013 2:19:57 PM EDT
[#23]
Torque steer... good luck going straight.
2/7/2013 2:20:24 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd rather that than a 500HP oversized, overweight "throwback muscle car" with a fat, overly tall, nondescript rear end.

That looks like you could throw that thing around corners with ease.


Not if you wanna have your foot anywhere near the gas pedal while doing so.  Understeer anyone??


Sorry, missed the FWD part.  Assumed RWD or AWD.  They do that, I can dig it.
2/7/2013 2:22:20 PM EDT
[#25]
Looks like it's just FWD, and isn't being built anyway.  It would be a blast with AWD.



2/7/2013 2:22:51 PM EDT
[#26]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd trade my WRX for one if it's AWD.


No


Why not? Ken Block did.


Ken Block has AWD. This is FWD.
2/7/2013 2:23:29 PM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
Quoted:
FWD or AWD ?
I think a AWD would be a hoot!  Some competition for the WRX/STI


As an STi owner I'd agree. 500 out of the box would be nuts.


Did t you destroy a ring land a few months back? Ever get it fixed?
2/7/2013 2:23:40 PM EDT
[#28]
Wrong Wheel Drive.
2/7/2013 2:28:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
I'd sy about 300hp is all that's usable in a regular FWD car.

Anything more it's almost wasted unless you're going for top speed runs.


I had 300ish with my last car that was FWD it wasn't bad . You definitely had to be a man about the torque steer though. Just know when you come under boost and its not too bad.
2/7/2013 2:30:38 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd rather that than a 500HP oversized, overweight "throwback muscle car" with a fat, overly tall, nondescript rear end.

That looks like you could throw that thing around corners with ease.


Not if you wanna have your foot anywhere near the gas pedal while doing so.  Understeer anyone??


You can tune that out with a really stiff rear suspension.

Problem with that is that suzy soccermom takes that corner too fast and the back end will come around, terminal oversteer in a FWD if you are not expecting it.
2/7/2013 2:31:37 PM EDT
[#31]
put another motor in the back driving the rears for 1000 HP AWD
2/7/2013 2:31:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Ricers have been doing this for years.

Meh.  I'll stick with my measly 700 RWHP.

2/7/2013 2:35:32 PM EDT
[#33]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd sy about 300hp is all that's usable in a regular FWD car.

Anything more it's almost wasted unless you're going for top speed runs.


I had 300ish with my last car that was FWD it wasn't bad . You definitely had to be a man about the torque steer though. Just know when you come under boost and its not too bad.


MS3?

I had a tuned 2nd Gen MS3 that you had to keep an eye on when hitting the boost hard. The only time I really had any "issue" with torque steer was when I gave it the beans while on a horribly rutted road.
2/7/2013 2:36:39 PM EDT
[#34]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd rather that than a 500HP oversized, overweight "throwback muscle car" with a fat, overly tall, nondescript rear end.

That looks like you could throw that thing around corners with ease.


Not if you wanna have your foot anywhere near the gas pedal while doing so.  Understeer anyone??


You can tune that out with a really stiff rear suspension.

Problem with that is that suzy soccermom takes that corner too fast and the back end will come around, terminal oversteer in a FWD if you are not expecting it.


The stiffest rear end in the world won't stop throttle-on understeer when you're pushing 500 ponies to the front wheels.
2/7/2013 2:37:01 PM EDT
[#35]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
FWD or AWD ?
I think a AWD would be a hoot!  Some competition for the WRX/STI


As an STi owner I'd agree. 500 out of the box would be nuts.


Did t you destroy a ring land a few months back? Ever get it fixed?


I did. And she is still sitting....waiting on a quote from a local subaru shop now actually. Hopefully will be on the road again by summer. My forester just isn't as fun.

I just need someone to assemble the motor. I can ge the forged internals at cost because I know people.
2/7/2013 2:37:59 PM EDT
[#36]
I like it
2/7/2013 2:39:34 PM EDT
[#37]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd trade my WRX for one if it's AWD.


No


Why not? Ken Block did.


Ken Block has AWD. This is FWD.


Yeah, that's why I said I'd do it if it was AWD.

I'm not dumb enough, nor do I hate myself enough to get a FWD car.
2/7/2013 2:43:19 PM EDT
[#38]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd rather that than a 500HP oversized, overweight "throwback muscle car" with a fat, overly tall, nondescript rear end.

That looks like you could throw that thing around corners with ease.


Not if you wanna have your foot anywhere near the gas pedal while doing so.  Understeer anyone??


You can tune that out with a really stiff rear suspension.

Problem with that is that suzy soccermom takes that corner too fast and the back end will come around, terminal oversteer in a FWD if you are not expecting it.


The stiffest rear end in the world won't stop throttle-on understeer when you're pushing 500 ponies to the front wheels.


You could also learn how to drive one properly, and not go full blast ham-fisted into a corner at full throttle, too.

2/8/2013 9:18:53 AM EDT
[#39]
Quoted:
Quoted:
I'd sy about 300hp is all that's usable in a regular FWD car.

Anything more it's almost wasted unless you're going for top speed runs.


I had 300ish with my last car that was FWD it wasn't bad . You definitely had to be a man about the torque steer though. Just know when you come under boost and its not too bad.


That's the thing...

Putting a lot of power to the front wheels is going to have a negative impact on steering and handling? Why spend the coin on a fun vehicle if it utilizes a design that makes it inherently crappier?
2/8/2013 9:34:19 AM EDT
[#40]
Quoted:
put another motor in the back driving the rears for 1000 HP AWD


And take it to Pikes Peak!
2/8/2013 9:42:05 AM EDT
[#41]
My buddy has a Mazda 3 speed FWD. It is the twin turbo addition. The problem with that much horse to the front end is steering. It pulls steering wheel out of your hands practically and while it handles great, every time you hit the turbo, the entire wheel jumps around in your hands- making it difficult to control. I'd rather have rear wheel drive with that kind of power which is why true muscle cars were rear wheel drive. AWD would be find to tame it down but not all in the front wheels.
2/8/2013 9:47:30 AM EDT
[#42]
If a man could fit in one I would drive it!

It would have to have legroom for someone taller than 6' 6" though.

BigDozer66
2/8/2013 9:52:06 AM EDT
[#43]
Am I the only one who finds torque steer exciting? hold on to the fuckin steering wheel.



either way that focus thing is pretty badass looking..AWD would be the tits..I hate how Ford likes to fuck us in the states over when it comes to fun light fwd and rwd little sports cars.