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9/8/2002 7:14:30 PM EDT
I bought some M855 & M856 at the Mesquite Gun Show this weekend, and I can't seem to remember the pattern of tracer to SS-109 in the Marine manual.

Does anyone remember the suggested loading pattern in 30 round mags?

Thanks-
BrotherNick
9/8/2002 7:16:38 PM EDT
[#1]
for linked ammo it is a 4 to 1 ratio.  I hope this is what you are looking for because Ive never heard of a pattern for mags
9/8/2002 7:18:02 PM EDT
[#2]
I believe the ratio should be 4 to 1 though I don't know the pattern. When I use tracers I usually load the first two going in the mag and the fifth. Kind of an alarm system for an almost empty mag.
9/8/2002 7:20:40 PM EDT
[#3]
Welcome [b]Brother Nick[/b]!

IIRC, I know that there is a usual patter of placing two tracer rounds at the bottom of the loaded magazine, so that you would know that you had just fired the last two rounds from your mag.

I just figured that it was the same four to one pattern in mags, as well.

Someone will know this answer! Someone with actual military experience!

Eric The(NotLikeMe)Hun[>]:)]
9/8/2002 7:22:56 PM EDT
[#4]
If you really want to tell the enemy where you are and that you are out of ammo, use tracers. That being said;
3 tracers, 4 ball, tracer, 4 ball, tracer, 4 ball, tracer, 4 ball, tracer, 4 ball, tracer, ball ball for 30.
9/8/2002 7:29:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Thanks everyone!  HELLO ETH!!!  poikilotrm- I think that was exactly the answer I was looking for.  I agree with what you are saying, but it is just for demonstration.

BrotherNick
9/8/2002 7:36:23 PM EDT
[#6]
The vast majority of the time tracer is used by a rifleman to mark a target for CAS or other supporting arms, and are kept in a separate magazine.  Tracers work both ways and I know I don't want to give my position away.

In the defense, the rifleman would use lateral limit stakes along with front and rear support to assist in maintaining his sector of fire and establishing grazing fire.

Every M16 and AR15 that I have fired made a distinct sound change to let the shooter know it was time to make a mag change.
9/8/2002 7:36:23 PM EDT
[#7]
Hey BrotherNick,
Thanks for the deal on the 40 round AK mag.
Did you end up buying those usgi mags that guy had
at the show ?

Welcome on board!
9/8/2002 7:42:33 PM EDT
[#8]
Quoted:

Every M16 and AR15 that I have fired made a distinct sound change to let the shooter know it was time to make a mag change.
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As in, it quit making a sound when you pulled the trigger [;)]

Seriously though, I know what you are talking about, but I sometimes use the tracer trick when testing out new mags. I like to shoot a few mags worth in rapid fire, as fast as I can pull the trigger, since this is where most malfunctions will occur. If I see the two tracers at the end of the mag I know that I ripped through them all and I don't have to look to see if I have a jam. I could probably just use one tracer but two are twice the fun. [:)]
9/8/2002 7:49:21 PM EDT
[#9]
Hello ilikelegs!!  Yes, I did get those mags this weekend.  It turned out to be a pretty good deal for my personal stash.  I kept the six new mags for myself, and sold all of the used mags.  

Thanks to all of you guys who stopped by the tables this weekend.  That really helped me have a much better show than I would have otherwise.  I think the people standing around the table makes others want to stop to see what is going on.  All the mag buyers helped too.

For those who know me, what products  would you like to see on my tables that I don't carry?
BrotherNick
9/8/2002 7:54:15 PM EDT
[#10]
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For those who know me, what products  would you like to see on my tables that I don't carry?
BrotherNick
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How about rail systems and other accessories.
Tactical slings and adaptors.
An AR15 calendar with babes holding AR's ???
I'll be the photographer!!!
9/8/2002 8:06:01 PM EDT
[#11]
Ponyboy....yeah....something like that![:D]

Tracers are a hoot, especially .50 and above.  But they fit a very narrow tactical niche for the rifleman.  On a belt fed weapon though, it is a bit different.

BrotherNick, If you want to give a good demonstration, load up a 30 rounder with tracers.  Shoot them as fast as you can at a target 300 yards out or farther.  This gives a good impression of the speed of the rounds.  Then show your audience some WWII footage of the US Navy engaging Kamakazi attacks off of Okinawa.  Be sure to point out that the Navy is using a 4:1 ratio, and that there are 4 times as many rounds that you CAN'T see in the video.
9/8/2002 8:10:05 PM EDT
[#12]
I was going to say pointy end forward.