Posted: 9/7/2002 11:29:25 PM EDT
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Guys... I've been thinking about joining ever since I graduated High School. Not sure about full time, or reserves... I am 20 years old now. Almost 21, I figure the younger the better, if I decide/can join. Here are the questions... Where can I find the physical/health requirements to join, i.e. number of pushups, situps etc... This is what worries me... 2 years ago THE day after I graduated High School, I broke my ankle and also dislocated it. It required me to have emergency surgery. They installed a plate in my leg. Is this going to disqualify me? Next question. Which MOS? I want to be on the move, in the action. (doesn't everyone?) I was thinking maybe Airborn Infantry? If I want to get in to the action am I going to have to attepmt to be a Ranger? If so, does anyone know where I can find the physical requirements for that? More questions to follow. Thanks! -Jared |
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dunno about the minimum physical requirements, but i am assuming that if you are considering ranger school...then meeting the min requirements will be very easy. And busting your leg the way you did WILL NOT automatically disqualify you. my buddy thrashed his knee in high school and we later went through jump school together. MOS=11B1P. that's airborne infantry. you will carrying the pride of being in the infantry the rest of your life. any other MOS is just support. if you go to jump school chances are you will end up in the 82nd airborne. unless, you request ranger school at the time of your enlistment and complete ranger school. then you'll be in a ranger battalion. take advantage of serving your country while you are young. you will gain experience and insight that civilians can never understand. I have a ton of respect for individuals who have taken the responsibilty to serve. hope this helps. -rob |
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Standards of medical fitness are here: [url]http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r40_501.pdf[/url] Standards for enlistment are in chapter 2. Standards for airborne training are in chapter 5. PT Test standards are here, in chapter 14: [url]http://155.217.58.58/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/fm/21-20/toc.htm[/url] |
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This doesn't look good: 2–11. Miscellaneous conditions of the extremities (See also paras 2–9 and 2–10.) The causes for rejection for appointment, enlistment, and induction are an authenticated history of: a. Arthritis. (1) Active, subacute, or chronic arthritis (716). (2) Chronic osteoarthritis (715.3) or traumatic arthritis (716.1) of isolated joints of more than a minimal degree, which has interfered with the following of a physically active vocation in civilian life or that prevents the satisfactory performance of military duty. b. Chronic Retro Patellar Knee Pain Syndrome with or without confirmatory arthroscopic evaluation (717.7). c. Dislocation if unreduced, or recurrent dislocations of any major joint such as shoulder (831), hip (835), elbow (832), or knee (836); or instability of any major joint such as shoulder (718.1), elbow (718.3), or hip (718.5). d. Fractures. (1) Malunion or non-union of any fracture (733.8), except ulnar styloid process. [b](2) Orthopedic hardware (733.99), including plates, pins, rods, wires, or screws used for fixation and left in place; except that a pin, wire, or screw not subject to easy trauma is not disqualifying.[/b] e. Injury of a bone or joint of more than a minor nature, with or without fracture or dislocation, that occurred within the preceding 6 weeks: upper extremity (923), lower extremity (924), ribs and clavicle (922). f. Joint replacement (V43.6). g. Muscular paralysis, contracture, or atrophy (728), if progressive or of sufficient degree to interfere with military service and muscular dystrophies (359). h. Osteochondritis dessicans (732.7). i. Osteochondromatosis or Multiple Cartilaginous Exostoses (727.82). j. Osteoporosis (733). k. Osteomyelitis (730), active or recurrent. l. Scars (709.2), extensive, deep, or adherent to the skin and soft tissues that interfere with muscular movements. m. Implants, silastic or other devices implanted to correct orthopedic abnormalities (V43). |
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yeah, not if you still have them in. you may be screwed on that one. you do have the option to request ranger at the time of enlistment. this will garauntee you the opportunity to attend ranger school. then, you will go to basic/AIT, then straight to jump school, then straight to ranger school. You will, more than likely, be assigned to a reanger battalion. of course, if you decide not to go ranger school right away, you can always request this at a later time. typically, most infantry units encourage their soldiers to attend ranger school. however, once ranger school is done, you will go back to your old unit. not a ranger bat. but, it doesn't sound like any of this matters to you dude. due to your unfortunate accident. later, rob |
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I'm not sure how it works now, but when I enlisted, infantry couldn't get a Ranger option in your initial contract. After we got to basic(Ft. Benning,GA I.T.C.)the Ranger liaison come to us and gave us the option. If you take the option you'll go directly to airborne school and then to R.I.P.(Ranger indoctrination program) where they bring you up to speed on Ranger operations. After spending some time in the battalion, you'll be groomed for your slot in Ranger school(72 days of hell on earth)to earn your tab. |
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1st things first: As GovtThug's post implies, as long as the MEPS doctor thinks that the stuff in your ankle, "is not subject to easy trauma," you should still have a chance at enlistment. As for the jobs in the Army, should any aggravation of your ankle or new injury change your ohysical profile and DQ you from an MOS, the Army has a very thorough medical review program. You will go before a board that reviews your medical records and talks to you chain of command. They will decide whether you can stay in that MOS or if they should reclassify you elsewhere. I haven't asked any rnagers about it recently, but based on the last ranger working for me who I asked (and he would have left 3rd Batt in '00), geezhound's answer is spot on. They don't send you to ranger school straight out of Airborne. Ranger option on an enlistment contact guarantees you R.I.P. if you graduate airborne. Survive R.I.P and you move to a Ranger battalion. Prove yourself there and they eventually send you to Ranger School. You have to be tabbed to make NCO. Honestly, unless you had a doctor who could work miracles, I can't imagine your ankle not causing you problems in that line of work. The good thing is, you will be allowed to go as far as your mind and body will take you - and you won't regret never giving it a try. Their is still plenty of honor and good jobs out their for poques (REMFS). Just stick with the good units. Adam |
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Your subject matter experts on enlistment qualifications are at your local Army recruiting office. I was a recruiter, and I wouldn't even attempt to guess at your eligibility through this internet board. Just walk into the recruiting office tomorrow, first thing, if you're actually serious about this. Make sure and post back what the recruiters tell you. Chris |
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Quoted: Here are the questions... Where can I find the physical/health requirements to join, i.e. number of pushups, situps etc... This is what worries me... 2 years ago THE day after I graduated High School, I broke my ankle and also dislocated it. It required me to have emergency surgery. They installed a plate in my leg. Is this going to disqualify me? More questions to follow. Thanks! -Jared Minimum requireemtns to get out of MEPS is not to have over 22% body fat and get cleared by the doctors. To get out of reception its 13 puchups, 20(?) situps and 1 mile under 9 minutes. This is 30th AG at benning BTW. As far as MOS, you should be able to get Infantry even with your ankle, the pins however will probably disqualify you for Airborne and even further, ranger. if airborne infantry is what you want and cant get, then you still have access to all 4 infantry jobs in a leg or mechanized unit. Cav scout is also an option. little things can be hidden on your medical records, like stupid stuff that will make you go back to meps(one of the guys there when i was shipping out was back with paperwork from when he had family counseling). Use comon sense on what you put down. They do not take X-rays but dont risk anything by not putting your ankle down on the paper. THat one will definetly surface down the line |
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Quoted: As for the jobs in the Army, should any aggravation of your ankle or new injury change your ohysical profile and DQ you from an MOS, the Army has a very thorough medical review program. You will go before a board that reviews your medical records and talks to you chain of command. d body will take you As far as the thorough review, The only stuff they know about you that they do not test for, or look for at MEPS is what you tell them. They do not call up and do a trace n your medical records, they do not have the man power or the time to do it. |
| Talk to a recruiter to get a clear answer. I wouldn't worry about airborne school. If having alot of weight on it hurts don't even bother, a 100 pound pack on your back will kill you. I was in sand hill for basic in 86 i thought the mos for infantry airborne is 11x? one more thing don't assume because you sign up for airborne or ranger that you will get it. you have to pass everything up to that point.it's not easy but it's a great experience.I went in when I was 17. 20 is the perfect age.Good luck |
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Quoted: Talk to a recruiter to get a clear answer. I wouldn't worry about airborne school. If having alot of weight on it hurts don't even bother, a 100 pound pack on your back will kill you. I was in sand hill for basic in 86 i thought the mos for infantry airborne is 11x? 11X is for active duty guys who want Airborne/Ranger and do not have a guaranteed duty station because of the RIP slot. These guy will find their designator, whether 11B, 11C or 11H (i dont think 11M falls under here) after about 6 weeks into training. In my platoon at benning last summer a lot of the 11x wound up being 11C. I believe they get the list from ITB Headquarters after the army tells them what MOS are needed and what quantity and by what date. HQ then checks graduation dates and begins assiging each company's or battalions quota for each MOS which makes them go down each company list and begin assigning their job to each person. |
| go 11B, and get an Airborne contract if possible, I am not sure how that works because I went to Airborne when I was in school. While you are in basic they will come around and ask if anyone is willing to go to RIP. Say yes. FYI if you want to go this route, make sure you are in shape. I know a lot of people who say they want to go to a Ranger Bat., but are not willing to pay the price before hand. Good Luck, I had a blast while I was in. |
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Quoted: Quoted: MOS=11B1P. any other MOS is just support. -rob What Army are you talking about? it's an infantry joke implying that all of jobs in the army are to support infantry ground forces. don't be offended just cuz you were a pogue. I am not offended by such a comment from a REMF. The issue I have is, "Dont tell the guy anything other than 11boohoo is support." By the way..there is nothing wrong with Grunt PRide. |
| If you want the ballsiest no bullshit my pussy cant hurt job...join the LEGION...you want the action, you will get it! HAd a friend cry for mommy when he volunteered for the rhodesian army...all fun and games until his ass got shot and wanted to go back to cali.....he grew up and got fucked up while in group in panama. |
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if you wanna go to a ranger battalion, you must go to rip. ranger school does not = 75th ranger regiment. know people who have gone to ranger school and never served in the 75th. if you want to go to the 75th which is what you sound like your trying to say, you need rip (ranger indoctrination program). if you really want to serve in the 75th you best get it in your contract. if they say to you sorry all the slots are open, tell them fine I'll come back when one opens up. if they say sorry that option doesn't exist anymore,they're lying. I know you saying "what they wouldn't lie to someone like me" they would and do all the time. get it in writting. period. it is darn near impossible to transfere into the regiment these days, they want to get you right out of highschool and make you a ranger from there. if not your just an import. imports don't always get along as well as rangers raised in the bats. also if you arn't assighned to the bats from the very start almost the only way to get in is through reenlisting, and having the 75th as your guaranteed unit. I know a guy who was airborne, sniper, and ranger qualed and when he applied for the 75th, they said "no thanks" get the 75th in writting. |
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Quoted: As far as the thorough review, The only stuff they know about you that they do not test for, or look for at MEPS is what you tell them. They do not call up and do a trace n your medical records, they do not have the man power or the time to do it. Yes, but IF he gets in and has problems, the records will build themselves. History prior to enlisting is inconsequential. The best thing is, if you can get by MEPS, the Army starts to take "blame" for our injuries. So belly on up to that government trough [:)]. PvtJoker: Do let us know what the recruiters / MEPS guys have to tell you. What? You haven't gone yet? GET YOUR ASS MOVING PVT JOKER!!! Adam |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: MOS=11B1P. any other MOS is just support. -rob What Army are you talking about? it's an infantry joke implying that all of jobs in the army are to support infantry ground forces. don't be offended just cuz you were a pogue. I am not offended by such a comment from a REMF. The issue I have is, "Dont tell the guy anything other than 11boohoo is support." By the way..there is nothing wrong with Grunt PRide. REMF?? never heard that before, had to look it up. you must be an old timer...were you a REMF? |
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Quoted: While you are in basic they will come around and ask if anyone is willing to go to RIP. Say yes. FYI if you want to go this route, make sure you are in shape. As far as the RIP and Airborne recruiters coming around, that does not happen in the Summer Months. Reason being is Both are backed up several weeks because of the amount of people pouring in who just graduated highschool. When the buffer zone of airborne and rip holdover decreases drastically, mainly fall to winter they will have the recruiter come around so they can have full rip airborne classes |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: MOS=11B1P. any other MOS is just support. -rob What Army are you talking about? it's an infantry joke implying that all of jobs in the army are to support infantry ground forces. don't be offended just cuz you were a pogue. I am not offended by such a comment from a REMF. The issue I have is, "Dont tell the guy anything other than 11boohoo is support." By the way..there is nothing wrong with Grunt PRide. REMF?? never heard that before, had to look it up. you must be an old timer...were you a REMF? is a REMF like a NINJA (Non-Infantry, Non-Jumping Asshole) ??? |
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Sorry about your ankle dude. Maybe they will let you in anyway. Is it a big scar? Never underestimate the power of lying to recruiters and Army docs. Quoted: you do have the option to request ranger at the time of enlistment. this will garauntee you the opportunity to attend ranger school. That is a lie. Volunteering 11X and Ranger guarantees nothing. The Army can always reassign you according to the needs of the Army. You volunteer Infantry, they can make you a cook. Also, there is no guarantee of Ranger school even if you volunteer Ranger and are allowed to go Ranger, there is only RIP, or Ranger Indoctrination Program. Sounds like we have yet another high school kid giving advice here. then, you will go to basic/AIT, then straight to jump school, then straight to ranger school. Funny, I went to Harmony Church, then parachutist school, then RIP, then 1st Bn Rangers. I didn't go to Ranger school becasue I did my level best to piss off my squad leader at every turn. You want to go to Ranger school when you are at BN? You better kiss some ass. Besides, with all the ROTC pukes they had to put through and fail every summer, we didn't have enough slots to go around for the Bn's. Remember, the tab is just a school, the scroll is a way of life. You will, more than likely, be assigned to a reanger battalion. of course, if you decide not to go ranger school right away, you can always request this at a later time. Many many bong hits went into the preceeding statement. When you volunteer Ranger, you are volunteering for the unit, not the school. If you turn down Ranger school when it is offered because you don't want it, it will be entered into your 201, and good fucking luck ever getting the chance to go again. typically, most infantry units encourage their soldiers to attend ranger school. however, once ranger school is done, you will go back to your old unit. not a ranger bat. |
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Quoted: you do have the option to request ranger at the time of enlistment. this will garauntee you the opportunity to attend ranger school. That is a lie. Volunteering 11X and Ranger guarantees nothing. The Army can always reassign you according to the needs of the Army. You volunteer Infantry, they can make you a cook. Also, there is no guarantee of Ranger school even if you volunteer Ranger and are allowed to go Ranger, there is only RIP, or Ranger Indoctrination Program. Sounds like we have yet another high school kid giving advice here. then, you will go to basic/AIT, then straight to jump school, then straight to ranger school. Funny, I went to Harmony Church, then parachutist school, then RIP, then 1st Bn Rangers. I didn't go to Ranger school becasue I did my level best to piss off my squad leader at every turn. You want to go to Ranger school when you are at BN? You better kiss some ass. Besides, with all the ROTC pukes they had to put through and fail every summer, we didn't have enough slots to go around for the Bn's. Remember, the tab is just a school, the scroll is a way of life. You will, more than likely, be assigned to a reanger battalion. of course, if you decide not to go ranger school right away, you can always request this at a later time. Many many bong hits went into the preceeding statement. When you volunteer Ranger, you are volunteering for the unit, not the school. If you turn down Ranger school when it is offered because you don't want it, it will be entered into your 201, and good fucking luck ever getting the chance to go again. typically, most infantry units encourage their soldiers to attend ranger school. however, once ranger school is done, you will go back to your old unit. not a ranger bat. by this time ive got 8 years mostly infantry team leader time. max my apft,shoot expert,97 sqt, 120 gt score,EIB, combat lifesaver qualified, live, sleep ,eat and shit Infantry. get all ready to ask again, and get a new First Sgt, who shows up for his first night drunk while im on CQ duty. mind you he is not in uniform, drunk, acting like an asshole walking through the barracks shouting he is in charge of this fucking barracks. I intercept him, restrain him, and have my CQ runner call Bn to get the Bn SD NCO and officer. the Bn guy comes running over to inform me ive just restrained the new First Sgt of my company. seems that the First Sgt had just come from Bn to sign in to the unit. to make a long story short i never made it to Ranger school. the moral of the story? get Ranger in your contract, or there is a good chance you will never see it, because as poikilotrm pointed out, Ranger school is full of ROTC pukes getting recycled in order for Infantry units to have Ranger qualified officers. and to add an xtra kick in my nuts...the new 1st Sgt was a supply Sgt who was at the end of his career and had a secondary MOS as 11b and so they decide to give this asshole some leadership time as a 1st Sgt, made my last year suck. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: MOS=11B1P. any other MOS is just support. -rob What Army are you talking about? it's an infantry joke implying that all of jobs in the army are to support infantry ground forces. don't be offended just cuz you were a pogue. I am not offended by such a comment from a REMF. The issue I have is, "Dont tell the guy anything other than 11boohoo is support." By the way..there is nothing wrong with Grunt PRide. REMF?? never heard that before, had to look it up. you must be an old timer...were you a REMF? is a REMF like a NINJA (Non-Infantry, Non-Jumping Asshole) ??? It is your standard issue name to one without a combat mos...cook, mechanic, nurse, commo , etc..jump wings have nothing to do with it... |
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Quoted: MOS=11B1P. any other MOS is just support. -rob what about the 11B Victors? or 11B5P? 11A3V, 11C2P, 11M30? More than you want to know. Let's break the code here. For starters 11=Infantry, B=rifleman who doesn't ride on a Fighting Vehicle or APC, the 10, 20, 30 number is the skill level identifier (based on rank, higher skill lvl is higher rank. If you see an alpha-numeric instead of the Skill level, that is a Skill Qualification Indicator (SQI), ie. 11Z5M=Infantry First Sergeant; the 5 is the same as 50 in skill level. In other words, the zero is just a place holder. An 11A3V doesn't appear to be a legal MOS, except the 11A is an infantry officer. It may have been one at one time. Officer branch uses slightly different system, and it's not showing up. Officers don't have a skill level identifier (10, 20, 30...) they all show up as "nnX00." I'll have to do my homework on this one. |
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mos 67t blackhawk crewcheief 67n huey crewcheif war time you will see plenty action and at least you have a 60 to fire back with. or go warrant school and fly apaches or ah-58d then at least you go to the range and fire of some hellfires or 2.75 rockets a couple times a year. |
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Quoted: Quoted: MOS=11B1P. any other MOS is just support. -rob what about the 11B Victors? or 11B5P? 11A3V, 11C2P, 11M30? More than you want to know. Let's break the code here. For starters 11=Infantry, B=rifleman who doesn't ride on a Fighting Vehicle or APC, the 10, 20, 30 number is the skill level identifier (based on rank, higher skill lvl is higher rank. If you see an alpha-numeric instead of the Skill level, that is a Skill Qualification Indicator (SQI), ie. 11Z5M=Infantry First Sergeant; the 5 is the same as 50 in skill level. In other words, the zero is just a place holder. An 11A3V doesn't appear to be a legal MOS, except the 11A is an infantry officer. It may have been one at one time. Officer branch uses slightly different system, and it's not showing up. Officers don't have a skill level identifier (10, 20, 30...) they all show up as "nnX00." I'll have to do my homework on this one. sorry about the miscommo. in more words, what i meant to say was: "it's not just the E-4 light infantry paratroopers. don't forget to take into account the rangers, the mortarmen, the mech infantry, the officers, the leg infantry, NCO paratroopers, too" edited to add: i didn't know that officers didn't use the skill qualifier. i just knew the enlisted did, and that my BC has a weird looking MOS (i don't remember exactly what it was, though), so i assumed 11A3V would be a ranger qual. infantry captain something i've wondered, though ... what's a joe paratrooper (light inf. PV1, PV2, or PFC)? 11B0P? |
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Guys! Thanks for all the info! Its alot to absorb. My ankle doesn't really give me any problems, I work at a mill and stand on it for 8-12 hours a day doing heavy lifting, so it can take some abuse. I could see about getting them removed, but that would be a little down time. As far as MOS, thats a toss up. I would love to go into the Warrant Officer program, but have no college to back me up. I'd like to hear more about this if anyone has knows the facts. If I join, I want to be in the fight, not be some dude's cook. I realize that someone needs to cook, but thats not my cup of tea, so to speak. So... How do you get into a Ranger Bat'l then? Seems like I've gotten so many answers, I don't know up from down. What happens if I actually made it to Ranger school and didn't make it? Would they just assign me anywhere they needed me? How about the reserves, I assume you can't do the whole Ranger thing, but what about Airborne Ifantry? Thanks for all of your help boys! |
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Quoted: Let's break the code here. For starters 11=Infantry, B=rifleman who doesn't ride on a Fighting Vehicle or APC, the 10, 20, 30 number is the skill level identifier (based on rank, higher skill lvl is higher rank. If you see an alpha-numeric instead of the Skill level, that is a Skill Qualification Indicator (SQI), ie. 11Z5M=Infantry First Sergeant; the 5 is the same as 50 in skill level. In other words, the zero is just a place holder. Not exactly. The fourth position of the Military Occupational Specialty Code is numerical and shows the skill and grade level of the soldier. The fifth position (Special Qualification Identifier) can be a letter or number, but never contains a number "zero". The letter "O" denotes that the soldier posesses no special qualifications. So it is incorrect to say "eleven bravo four zero", and correct to say "eleven bravo four oh". And the skill level is not 10, 20, or 30, but 1, 2, or 3. |
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voilsb-11B1p is used for the first four pay grades. 11B2P would be an airborne qualified SGT E-5 (rank IS NOT pay grade you are a SGT, not an E-5), 11B3P ABN SSG, 11B4p ABN SFC, Get it? Quoted: I could see about getting them removed, but that would be a little down time. Don't bother unless they make you. Pins and screws are most often better left in place. I am an MD, I know not too much about orthopedic surgery, but I do know that. As far as MOS, thats a toss up. I would love to go into the Warrant Officer program, but have no college to back me up. I'd like to hear more about this if anyone has knows the facts. If I join, I want to be in the fight, not be some dude's cook. I realize that someone needs to cook, but thats not my cup of tea, so to speak. So... How do you get into a Ranger Bat'l then? Seems like I've gotten so many answers, I don't know up from down. Go to the recruiter, tell him you want 11X unassigned Ranger. They will send your regretful ass to Benning where you will OSUT, PRCHST SCHL, and RIP. Then they will ship you to your Bn or, God forbid, Ranger regimental HQ. Try real hard to avoid RGT HQ or 3rd Bn. You will come to understand why. What happens if I actually made it to Ranger school and didn't make it? Would they just assign me anywhere they needed me? You would recycle if you were peered out or you were injured. If you fail again you are gone. If you quit you are gone. Banished away to far Padua! Or some shitty leg unit. Panama or Italy if you beg them not to send you there. How about the reserves, I assume you can't do the whole Ranger thing, but what about Airborne Ifantry? Either do a thing or don't. The reserves are for fence sitters, losers, and guys who did active service and want to stay in for various reasons. The difference between reserve/NG and active is night and day. If you want to do it, and I am telling you right now you are too damned old at the advanced age of 21, then throw yourself fully into the brainwashing and push yourself. But don't talk about it. Talking is for women, cowards, and politicians. |
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Quoted: voilsb-11B1p is used for the first four pay grades. 11B2P would be an airborne qualified SGT E-5 (rank IS NOT pay grade you are a SGT, not an E-5), 11B3P ABN SSG, 11B4p ABN SFC, Get it? Quoted: I could see about getting them removed, but that would be a little down time. Don't bother unless they make you. Pins and screws are most often better left in place. I am an MD, I know not too much about orthopedic surgery, but I do know that. As far as MOS, thats a toss up. I would love to go into the Warrant Officer program, but have no college to back me up. I'd like to hear more about this if anyone has knows the facts. Dont forget a score of 90 or higher on the AFAST exam. I have taken it and would suggest buying the review book for it. I passed but I wouldnt have without those books. The help book the army gives you is almost worthless, the review book teaches you about aviation stuff, rotor angles stuff like that which is asked on the AFAST |
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Quoted: voilsb-11B1p is used for the first four pay grades. 11B2P would be an airborne qualified SGT E-5 (rank IS NOT pay grade you are a SGT, not an E-5), 11B3P ABN SSG, 11B4p ABN SFC, Get it? thanks a bunch. didn't know that the 1 was for e-4 and below. makes sense, though, since a skill level one soldier is a joe, a skill level two is a team leader, then SL, etc. i did and very much do know the difference between rank and grade, though (ie: CPL and SP4, 1SG and MSG, CSM and SGM). on another note, the reserve component is also useful for keeping assets around for less money. it costs less per year to pay and maintain a national guard company than it does an active duty one. granted, the active one will be better trained than the NG, but before the guard deploys they have a train-up to bring everyone up to standard. the guard is also useful for soldiers who want to go to college, but want to stay in service or for college students who want to join the military, but don't want to go active till they complete their schooling. |
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Either do a thing or don't. The reserves are for fence sitters, losers, and guys who did active service and want to stay in for various reasons. The difference between reserve/ NG and active is night and day. If you want to do it, and I am telling you right now you are too damned old at the advanced age of 21, then throw yourself fully into the brainwashing and push yourself. But don't talk about it. Talking is for women, cowards, and politicians I've got you on all the other points. Are you saying I am to old at 21 to do it? Of course I am going to talk about it. If I didn't get any input, I'd end up being a cook! -Jared |
| Think about the leap in IQ you took from 17 to 21. You will have a harder time adjusting to military life than would a brain dead 17 year old. But don't let that discourage you. Enlist for THREE years. I can't stress that enough. 3 is plenty long enough to learn your job well and decide about military life. It is also long enough to go Ranger, since they won't let you with a 2 year contract, and long enough to get a decent college fund. |
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Quoted: Either do a thing or don't. The reserves are for fence sitters, losers, and guys who did active service and want to stay in for various reasons. The difference between reserve/ NG and active is night and day. If you want to do it, and I am telling you right now you are too damned old at the advanced age of 21, then throw yourself fully into the brainwashing and push yourself. But don't talk about it. Talking is for women, cowards, and politicians I've got you on all the other points. Are you saying I am to old at 21 to do it? Of course I am going to talk about it. If I didn't get any input, I'd end up being a cook! -Jared definetly not too old. THere will be people in your basic trainign company who are almost pushing the max age standard which i believe is 35. you are one of the younger ones and by no means too old to go |
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Joker talk to you recruiter,tell him everything you have told us. And be well aware that there will be many younger men that you with no physical srikes against them that will not pass Airborne or Ranger school. But this should make it much sweater to you having all this to overcome! Best of luck should you get the chance! Bob [:D] |
| They haven't sent ROTC cadets to Ranger school in a long time. They have cut back on the slots for Combat Arms officers right out of OBC also, they only ones that can guarantee a Ranger School slot are IOBC grads. My last OBC class only like 1 in 5 of the Ranger PT Lts were able to go to the school. Unless you are coming from the Ranger Regts, your going to have to be a NCO or Officer in normally a light, Airborne or Air Assault unit, although a friend of mine was a FSO for a heavy unit and went. Most of my friends (FA officers) from light units could have went if they wanted to put up with the Ranger PT/RIP to go. Atleast 2 infantry officers I know that came from heavy units got to go to Ranger school from their units, vice right out of IOBC. |