Posted: 1/7/2013 7:09:38 PM EDT
| Can anyone stop them. Game is not over but it looks like the UT vols did better against Alabama than ND? Your thoughts? |
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I'm glad ND scored again. It's like watching the Special Olympian gold medalist for the 50 yard dash show up to compete in the regular Olympic decathlon. After that last score I feel like someone needs to start a slow clap for them. Here are my tribute videos to ND!!!!  |
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Truth of the matter is...Notre Dame was way too hyped by the media. They did not deserve to be there tonight in lieu of about 7 other teams that would have at least made it a closer ball game. Seriously, I believe Southeast Louisiana could have given them a better game. In the end this makes Notre Dame look weak and will hurt some of their recruiting efforts.
Alabama just got richer in many departments tonight. |
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The ND propaganda machine was in action. Should've been Oregon playing Bama. No, I'm glad it went the way it did. Think about it. When we beat Oregon ND would be boo hooing saying that ND would of played better and won. When in reality Oregon would have crushed ND also. Let's see, who all would have beaten ND? Georgia S Carolina A&M Vanderbilt???? Louisville Oregon K State Stanford Texas?????? Skeptical, but possibly LSU Florida Really skeptical, but not completely impossible Ole Miss Miss State nahhhhh not a fucking chance |
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Northwestern beat their SEC opponent in their bowl this year. 
Go Wildcats!  yeh and it felt like you had won a national championship too huh? Totally! For a team like Northwestern - that actually has REAL scholar-athletes, yes. Winning a bowl game has been an elusive goal for Northwestern for a loooong time. Finally winning one is awesome!!! 
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ND and Te'o were waaayyyyyyyyyy over rated. Te'o looked like a Vandy backup at best  The BCS game should have probably been Bama & Oregon - that would have at least been entertaining. Bama and A&M and Georgia (depending on who stays) look to be favorites to win it all next year, with Bama being a notch above the other two IMHO. |
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Northwestern beat their SEC opponent in their bowl this year.
Go Wildcats! yeh and it felt like you had won a national championship too huh? Totally! For a team like Northwestern - that actually has REAL scholar-athletes, yes. Winning a bowl game has been an elusive goal for Northwestern for a loooong time. Finally winning one is awesome!!! You mean a three time All American, All SEC, with 3 National Championship rings playing three different positions, and multiple national awards, scholar athlete like Barrett Jones? Or do you mean guys that are kinda smart and fairly good at football type of sholar athletes? |
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Northwestern beat their SEC opponent in their bowl this year.
Go Wildcats! yeh and it felt like you had won a national championship too huh? Totally! For a team like Northwestern - that actually has REAL scholar-athletes, yes. Winning a bowl game has been an elusive goal for Northwestern for a loooong time. Finally winning one is awesome!!! You mean a three time All American, All SEC, with 3 National Championship rings playing three different positions, and multiple national awards, scholar athlete like Barrett Jones? Or do you mean guys that are kinda smart and fairly good at football type of sholar athletes? I highlighted the issue for you. 
My point is that a school like Northwestern has a graduation rate for the football program in the high 90s, whereas LOTS of big powerful football programs have graduation rates between 50% and 75%. And, too add to that, I think we all understand the POWER that the athletic departments have at big schools like Alabama, Florida, etc - to put pressure on academic departments - so the graduation rates of 50-75% for a lot of football powerhouses are probably grotesque exaggerations. At a school like Northwestern, nobody really gives a shit about the athletic department, because the school is all about academics, so nobody is going to look the other way if a football player is doing badly in the classroom. So the 97% graduation rate is a REAL rate, whereas some of the big football programs might be a little suspect. Look at all the power Paterno had at Penn State. Do we really believe that all of the Penn State players who got degrees deserved them? Or did some of them actually get them because JoePa called the registrar and twisted a few arms, or scratched a few backs. I'm not saying that NONE of the players at big football programs are good academics. Of course some of the players are, and of course there are some outstanding ones among them. What I am saying is that at Northwestern, pretty much ALL of the football players are also successful students at a very academically demanding university (in fact, NU is the #12 ranked university in the nation, in terms of academics). And the reality is that it's VERY hard to find highly gifted academic students (good enough to get into Northwestern and to graduate) that ALSO happen to be really good football players. There are TONS of really good players that Northwestern simple CANNOT even try to recruit, because they do not meet the academic standards. So given that constraint, Northwestern winning a bowl game against a SEC team is almost like winning the nations championship, yes.
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Northwestern beat their SEC opponent in their bowl this year.
Go Wildcats! yeh and it felt like you had won a national championship too huh? Totally! For a team like Northwestern - that actually has REAL scholar-athletes, yes. Winning a bowl game has been an elusive goal for Northwestern for a loooong time. Finally winning one is awesome!!! You mean a three time All American, All SEC, with 3 National Championship rings playing three different positions, and multiple national awards, scholar athlete like Barrett Jones? Or do you mean guys that are kinda smart and fairly good at football type of sholar athletes? I highlighted the issue for you.
My point is that a school like Northwestern has a graduation rate for the football program in the high 90s, whereas LOTS of big powerful football programs have graduation rates between 50% and 75%. And, too add to that, I think we all understand the POWER that the athletic departments have at big schools like Alabama, Florida, etc - to put pressure on academic departments - so the graduation rates of 50-75% for a lot of football powerhouses are probably grotesque exaggerations. At a school like Northwestern, nobody really gives a shit about the athletic department, because the school is all about academics, so nobody is going to look the other way if a football player is doing badly in the classroom. So the 97% graduation rate is a REAL rate, whereas some of the big football programs might be a little suspect. Look at all the power Paterno had at Penn State. Do we really believe that all of the Penn State players who got degrees deserved them? Or did some of them actually get them because JoePa called the registrar and twisted a few arms, or scratched a few backs. I'm not saying that NONE of the players at big football programs are good academics. Of course some of the players are, and of course there are some outstanding ones among them. What I am saying is that at Northwestern, pretty much ALL of the football players are also successful students at a very academically demanding university (in fact, NU is the #12 ranked university in the nation, in terms of academics). And the reality is that it's VERY hard to find highly gifted academic students (good enough to get into Northwestern and to graduate) that ALSO happen to be really good football players. There are TONS of really good players that Northwestern simple CANNOT even try to recruit, because they do not meet the academic standards. So given that constraint, Northwestern winning a bowl game against a SEC team is almost like winning the nations championship, yes. Same at the college I went to. The Davidson football coach commented several years ago that he had a higher percentage of players get into medical/law school than some of our opponents had getting a diploma. |
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Northwestern beat their SEC opponent in their bowl this year.
Go Wildcats! yeh and it felt like you had won a national championship too huh? Totally! For a team like Northwestern - that actually has REAL scholar-athletes, yes. Winning a bowl game has been an elusive goal for Northwestern for a loooong time. Finally winning one is awesome!!! You mean a three time All American, All SEC, with 3 National Championship rings playing three different positions, and multiple national awards, scholar athlete like Barrett Jones? Or do you mean guys that are kinda smart and fairly good at football type of sholar athletes? I highlighted the issue for you.
My point is that a school like Northwestern has a graduation rate for the football program in the high 90s, whereas LOTS of big powerful football programs have graduation rates between 50% and 75%. And, too add to that, I think we all understand the POWER that the athletic departments have at big schools like Alabama, Florida, etc - to put pressure on academic departments - so the graduation rates of 50-75% for a lot of football powerhouses are probably grotesque exaggerations. At a school like Northwestern, nobody really gives a shit about the athletic department, because the school is all about academics, so nobody is going to look the other way if a football player is doing badly in the classroom. So the 97% graduation rate is a REAL rate, whereas some of the big football programs might be a little suspect. Look at all the power Paterno had at Penn State. Do we really believe that all of the Penn State players who got degrees deserved them? Or did some of them actually get them because JoePa called the registrar and twisted a few arms, or scratched a few backs. I'm not saying that NONE of the players at big football programs are good academics. Of course some of the players are, and of course there are some outstanding ones among them. What I am saying is that at Northwestern, pretty much ALL of the football players are also successful students at a very academically demanding university (in fact, NU is the #12 ranked university in the nation, in terms of academics). And the reality is that it's VERY hard to find highly gifted academic students (good enough to get into Northwestern and to graduate) that ALSO happen to be really good football players. There are TONS of really good players that Northwestern simple CANNOT even try to recruit, because they do not meet the academic standards. So given that constraint, Northwestern winning a bowl game against a SEC team is almost like winning the nations championship, yes. I understand the point you are trying to make, but I believe that you are makeing some grotesque exaggerations. "SEC had five of the top 13 when ordered by GSR. Football heavyweights LSU (No 6, 77% GSR), Alabama (No. 7, 75%) and Florida (No. 8, 75%) led the way for the SEC" ND has a graduation rate of 97% just like Northwestern. How can they make it to the Championship game with such high acedemics??? Not possible according to you |
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Northwestern beat their SEC opponent in their bowl this year.
Go Wildcats! yeh and it felt like you had won a national championship too huh? Totally! For a team like Northwestern - that actually has REAL scholar-athletes, yes. Winning a bowl game has been an elusive goal for Northwestern for a loooong time. Finally winning one is awesome!!! You mean a three time All American, All SEC, with 3 National Championship rings playing three different positions, and multiple national awards, scholar athlete like Barrett Jones? Or do you mean guys that are kinda smart and fairly good at football type of sholar athletes? I highlighted the issue for you.
My point is that a school like Northwestern has a graduation rate for the football program in the high 90s, whereas LOTS of big powerful football programs have graduation rates between 50% and 75%. And, too add to that, I think we all understand the POWER that the athletic departments have at big schools like Alabama, Florida, etc - to put pressure on academic departments - so the graduation rates of 50-75% for a lot of football powerhouses are probably grotesque exaggerations. At a school like Northwestern, nobody really gives a shit about the athletic department, because the school is all about academics, so nobody is going to look the other way if a football player is doing badly in the classroom. So the 97% graduation rate is a REAL rate, whereas some of the big football programs might be a little suspect. Look at all the power Paterno had at Penn State. Do we really believe that all of the Penn State players who got degrees deserved them? Or did some of them actually get them because JoePa called the registrar and twisted a few arms, or scratched a few backs. I'm not saying that NONE of the players at big football programs are good academics. Of course some of the players are, and of course there are some outstanding ones among them. What I am saying is that at Northwestern, pretty much ALL of the football players are also successful students at a very academically demanding university (in fact, NU is the #12 ranked university in the nation, in terms of academics). And the reality is that it's VERY hard to find highly gifted academic students (good enough to get into Northwestern and to graduate) that ALSO happen to be really good football players. There are TONS of really good players that Northwestern simple CANNOT even try to recruit, because they do not meet the academic standards. So given that constraint, Northwestern winning a bowl game against a SEC team is almost like winning the nations championship, yes. I understand the point you are trying to make, but I believe that you are makeing some grotesque exaggerations. "SEC had five of the top 13 when ordered by GSR. Football heavyweights LSU (No 6, 77% GSR), Alabama (No. 7, 75%) and Florida (No. 8, 75%) led the way for the SEC" No offense, but I don't think I am exaggerating at all. Go read some of the accounts of just how much power Joe Paterno had a Penn State. When an associate dean that was concerned about academics in the football program challenged him, he essentially had her fired and run out of town, literally. My wife went to Florida State, and she remembers football players in one of her classes. Well, to say that she "remembered" them is an exagerration, because according to her, the two football players only showed up for ONE class the entire semester, and the was the final class - in which the professor gave them an award for being such excellent students. Seriously. You don't think schools like that are letting students slide through classes, and that when they report a graduation rate of 75%, or 60% or something like that, the actual reality would be much, much lower, if the athletic programs didn't have so much power? How much money do you think Alabama's football program raises for the university? I guarantee you that (other than the occasional actual good student), they can get the university to report whatever graduation rate they want. Bank on it. ND has a graduation rate of 97% just like Northwestern. How can they make it to the Championship game with such high acedemics??? Not possible according to you I'm not saying it's "not possible" - I'm saying it is much, much harder for schools with high academic standards to compete. Stanford also has graduation rates in the 90s, and they made it to #5 or 6 this year. Heck, in 1995 I think Northwestern made it to #3 in the nation, and then got beaten by USC (who has an "official" graduation rate around 50%, AND cheated in the game by fielding about 12 academically ineligible players  ).
What I am saying it that it is much, much harder for the schools that actually care about academic standards to compete at the national level, and even being ranked is a HUGE accomplishment. |
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Talking about "scholarship" is ridiculous for MOST schools. Most schools maintain a double standard for student athletes. For MOST schools their football stars would not get in based solely on academics. Today that is true in many schools. Including the SEC. They have lower SAT standards, and overall GPA academic performance standards for student athletes. And that is true of a lot of schools. If we really wanted to see "student athletes" instead of an NFL farm league, we do away with athletic "scholarship" altogether. We'd allow the "free-market" to form an NFL farm league just like it has for baseball. |
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Northwestern beat their SEC opponent in their bowl this year.
Go Wildcats! yeh and it felt like you had won a national championship too huh? Totally! For a team like Northwestern - that actually has REAL scholar-athletes, yes. Winning a bowl game has been an elusive goal for Northwestern for a loooong time. Finally winning one is awesome!!! You mean a three time All American, All SEC, with 3 National Championship rings playing three different positions, and multiple national awards, scholar athlete like Barrett Jones? Or do you mean guys that are kinda smart and fairly good at football type of sholar athletes? I highlighted the issue for you.
My point is that a school like Northwestern has a graduation rate for the football program in the high 90s, whereas LOTS of big powerful football programs have graduation rates between 50% and 75%. And, too add to that, I think we all understand the POWER that the athletic departments have at big schools like Alabama, Florida, etc - to put pressure on academic departments - so the graduation rates of 50-75% for a lot of football powerhouses are probably grotesque exaggerations. At a school like Northwestern, nobody really gives a shit about the athletic department, because the school is all about academics, so nobody is going to look the other way if a football player is doing badly in the classroom. So the 97% graduation rate is a REAL rate, whereas some of the big football programs might be a little suspect. Look at all the power Paterno had at Penn State. Do we really believe that all of the Penn State players who got degrees deserved them? Or did some of them actually get them because JoePa called the registrar and twisted a few arms, or scratched a few backs. I'm not saying that NONE of the players at big football programs are good academics. Of course some of the players are, and of course there are some outstanding ones among them. What I am saying is that at Northwestern, pretty much ALL of the football players are also successful students at a very academically demanding university (in fact, NU is the #12 ranked university in the nation, in terms of academics). And the reality is that it's VERY hard to find highly gifted academic students (good enough to get into Northwestern and to graduate) that ALSO happen to be really good football players. There are TONS of really good players that Northwestern simple CANNOT even try to recruit, because they do not meet the academic standards. So given that constraint, Northwestern winning a bowl game against a SEC team is almost like winning the nations championship, yes. I understand the point you are trying to make, but I believe that you are makeing some grotesque exaggerations. "SEC had five of the top 13 when ordered by GSR. Football heavyweights LSU (No 6, 77% GSR), Alabama (No. 7, 75%) and Florida (No. 8, 75%) led the way for the SEC" No offense, but I don't think I am exaggerating at all. Go read some of the accounts of just how much power Joe Paterno had a Penn State. When an associate dean that was concerned about academics in the football program challenged him, he essentially had her fired and run out of town, literally. My wife went to Florida State, and she remembers football players in one of her classes. Well, to say that she "remembered" them is an exagerration, because according to her, the two football players only showed up for ONE class the entire semester, and the was the final class - in which the professor gave them an award for being such excellent students. Seriously. You don't think schools like that are letting students slide through classes, and that when they report a graduation rate of 75%, or 60% or something like that, the actual reality would be much, much lower, if the athletic programs didn't have so much power? How much money do you think Alabama's football program raises for the university? I guarantee you that (other than the occasional actual good student), they can get the university to report whatever graduation rate they want. Bank on it. ND has a graduation rate of 97% just like Northwestern. How can they make it to the Championship game with such high acedemics??? Not possible according to you I'm not saying it's "not possible" - I'm saying it is much, much harder for schools with high academic standards to compete. Stanford also has graduation rates in the 90s, and they made it to #5 or 6 this year. Heck, in 1995 I think Northwestern made it to #3 in the nation, and then got beaten by USC (who has an "official" graduation rate around 50%, AND cheated in the game by fielding about 12 academically ineligible players ).
What I am saying it that it is much, much harder for the schools that actually care about academic standards to compete at the national level, and even being ranked is a HUGE accomplishment. OK I see this for what it is. SEC bias/hatred. ND, and Stanford dont have grotesque exaggerations of their graduation rate and they are decent teams that just worked much much harder to get where they are in the rankings. But those SEC teams they obviously cheat to get where they are. PENN State is not in the SEC BTW. |