[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Life is a Bit*h (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/21/2012 12:07:54 AM EDT
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So, I was medically separated last Aug from the Army after 19.5 years of service for Diabetes. I received a reasonable lump sum for my time, plus med benefits for 3 years. I used the money to buy land and build a cabin that would be self-sufficient for the next several years. I spent Sept through Dec building my cabin, and most of the cash the Army paid me for my years of service. I went on un employment from Dec to Feb while I looked for a job. I went to North Dakota in March driving truck fro Halliburton. I lost a shit ton of money doing that. I was spending $750 a month for rent in ND and $800 a month rent in Alaska during this time. I was led to believe I would make good money in ND. What I did was run my credit cards up, paying to live there.
In June I moved back to Alaska. I got A job up on the North Slope. It paid well. I started to get caught up on bills. On my hitch right before Veterans day, I noticed that my blood sugar was way ay high. I went to the medics and they sent me home on medical on Veterans day, Since then the VA has scheduled my appointments 2 weeks out. The company I worked for fired me for being gone too long for medical reasons. Since then, I have no income, I applied for Un Employment but it appears that I do not qualify due to medical reasons. I am struggling to get enough gas just to drive to town for whatever groceries I can afford, and it appears that I do not qualify for UN-employment due to medical reasons. So I ask ARFCOM.... What the fuck is the use? You work hard, you do the right thing, you pay your taxes. And you get shit on. In 2006-2008 I took a leave of absence from the Guard, and worked as a contractor. I paid nearly 90k in Federal taxes each of those 2 years. Now, I do not qualify for un employment, or any other federal aid (not that I have checked) I am not interested in food stamps or anything else. It would be nice to be able to afford gas to go to interviews though. So here is my thoughts on the whole thing.... Fuck you, Fuck you, and Fuck you..... Who is next?? Over, under, or through..... Aviator |
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Sorry to hear this Aviator.
The medical situation is a crock of shit. People get on Welfare for a bum elbow, but you not wanting to take it get boned. Good luck to ya bud. You've got a wonderful location but I know the vast expanses are hard on you right now. I hope you can set something up quick. |
If I were you I would sign up for every government program there is. Food stamps, housing, Obama phones, everything. Sounds like you paid into the system and served this country, at least get your money back. Don't look back and regret any of your decisions, can't change them now.  |
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Welcome to the at-will employment dream of corporatists and laissez faire cutists. Because you're not making them widgets or numbers right now so fuck you. I'm sure some of them will be along shortly to tell you it's your fault and just too bad and you should have prepared harder for every possible contingency like they do.
Stomp them in the nuts for me when they show up, couldja? 
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Damn Aviator, I'm really sorry to hear that. I always enjoy your posts here and was actually wondering what happened to you recently....
Like the poster stated above, you should rate some sort of VA compensation-or at least I would think you would. 19.5 years of service and you were medically retired? Did the lump sum preclude a VA disability? Were you AGR or fed tech? Hang in there, man. This is just a speed bump for you-I know you're a man with a spine and resolve. As my dad says, "this too shall pass". Have you thought about selling insurance? It's pretty recession proof, and doesn't require you to leave your hometown to make a living if there's any sort of population to speak of where you live. You definitely have the brains to pass the exams. ETA: Ok, I see you get VA disability. Damn, that's not much 
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You know folks.... Sorry to be bitching. I am warm. I am in a cabin I built with a view to kill for.
I may have 1/8 tank of fuel. and a few cans of tomato soup, but I do have a shit ton of dehydrated shit, and a bunch of good guns, from .22 to .50 I have a bunch of water, and heat for at least a month. I was just angry that so many fuck heads that have never worked are getting so much more than what I qualify for. You know, life sucks ass right now, but tomorrow is a new day. Perhaps life will suck tomorrow, but the next day is a new day. I am tough, and will overcome. Just wanting to vent. and I am not the type person to vent locally. ARFCOM Rocks.... Aviator |
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First...Thanks for your service
Second...something doesn't add up. You say you haven't even checked on getting any aid, but a few posts later you say you are getting 40% disability? I work with people with diabetes in a factory no disability or complaints about life from them. You also paid $90,000 a year in federal taxes for a couple years...I pay $20,000 a year in income tax state and federal combined. I know how much money I make and I live just fine so where did all your income go if you were making enough to have a $90,000 tax obligation? I also have a family to take care of and live just fine with my only debt being my house that I bought on a 15 year mortgage and will have paid in about 5 more years. I'm not saying you didn't have some bad luck, but feeling sorry for yourself will get you know where. |
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I can only imagine trying to live in Alaska and needing an income. If income is what you need maybe your chances would be better served in the lower 48? Not that job opportunities are great anywhere right now, I'd have to guess they're better elsewhere. The cost of living might be lower, that's for sure. Unless you're planning on taking up a subsistence lifestyle and living off the land, I have to believe your location is tough. Can you sell your place and get out what you've put in it? |
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First...Thanks for your service Second...something doesn't add up. You say you haven't even checked on getting any aid, but a few posts later you say you are getting 40% disability? I work with people with diabetes in a factory no disability or complaints about life from them. You also paid $90,000 a year in federal taxes for a couple years...I pay $20,000 a year in income tax state and federal combined. I know how much money I make and I live just fine so where did all your income go if you were making enough to have a $90,000 tax obligation? I also have a family to take care of and live just fine with my only debt being my house that I bought on a 15 year mortgage and will have paid in about 5 more years. I'm not saying you didn't have some bad luck, but feeling sorry for yourself will get you know where. Most likely $90k was from his retirement lump sum... |
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First...Thanks for your service Second...something doesn't add up. You say you haven't even checked on getting any aid, but a few posts later you say you are getting 40% disability? I work with people with diabetes in a factory no disability or complaints about life from them. You also paid $90,000 a year in federal taxes for a couple years...I pay $20,000 a year in income tax state and federal combined. I know how much money I make and I live just fine so where did all your income go if you were making enough to have a $90,000 tax obligation? I also have a family to take care of and live just fine with my only debt being my house that I bought on a 15 year mortgage and will have paid in about 5 more years. I'm not saying you didn't have some bad luck, but feeling sorry for yourself will get you know where. Most likely $90k was from his retirement lump sum... He said he worked for a contractor for 2 years and paid $90,000 in federal income tax both of those 2 years. Maybe exaggerated amount of taxes paid or else wasted alot of money? |
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First...Thanks for your service Second...something doesn't add up. You say you haven't even checked on getting any aid, but a few posts later you say you are getting 40% disability? I work with people with diabetes in a factory no disability or complaints about life from them. You also paid $90,000 a year in federal taxes for a couple years...I pay $20,000 a year in income tax state and federal combined. I know how much money I make and I live just fine so where did all your income go if you were making enough to have a $90,000 tax obligation? I also have a family to take care of and live just fine with my only debt being my house that I bought on a 15 year mortgage and will have paid in about 5 more years. I'm not saying you didn't have some bad luck, but feeling sorry for yourself will get you know where. Well, I was Medevacked from Iraq on Thanksgiving day in 2009 with Diabetes. Never had any issues before till then. So, the 40% disability was through the Va from that and various other issues. As far as food stamps and other shit, no never even checked. When I got back from Iraq, the had me on oral meds. They said eventually, I would have to start insulin. I controlled my diet for 3 years and made it on oral meds. This Nov, I had to go on insulin. I am not fat, I am 5'10 weigh 185. I watch what I eat. I have been very careful. I have a CDL, and a Pilots license. The insulin will most likely effect both of those. As far as paying 90k in federal taxes for a couple years, I took home 140k. you work over seas and take home 140k and see how far that lasts you. Buy some body armor, and tickets from Kabul to Dubai, to Amsterdam, to Minneapolis round trip for breaks, and live in hotels for a few weeks each break. You know that whole 1%? That was me. Thats what people here are saying. Its not that much.... Aviator |
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It would seem you would fall under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Being a diabetic (insulin dependant?) your company that you worked for can get into a storm for firing you as a result of your disability. If you were/are a truck driver than diabetes would preclude you from onbtaining a CDL because you couldn't pass the physical requirements. It would also seem that you could get,100% SSDI because of diabetes. You done right by working hard paying taxes and serving the public interest. You got nailed by fammily genetics more than likely. You are a far cry from a freeloader. Get what is truly due to you.. If the VA is handling your medical,be ready for a crap ton of bullshit and wait times. I suggest you keep a detailed copy note book ,get a biz card from each doctor et al who you see each time and keep all copies of records they provide you. And take it with you everytime you go. |
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FWIW It would seem you would fall under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Being a diabetic (insulin dependant?) your company that you worked for can get into a storm for firing you as a result of your disability. If you were/are a truck driver than diabetes would preclude you from onbtaining a CDL because you couldn't pass the physical requirements. It would also seem that you could get,100% SSDI because of diabetes. You done right by working hard paying taxes and serving the public interest. You got nailed by fammily genetics more than likely. You are a far cry from a freeloader. Get what is truly due to you.. If the VA is handling your medical,be ready for a crap ton of bullshit and wait times. I suggest you keep a detailed copy note book ,get a biz card from each doctor et al who you see each time and keep all copies of records they provide you. And take it with you everytime you go. You know, I paid $65 a month for short term disability with them, and another $45 for long term. I did not qualify for short term due to it being a pre-existing condition. I was let go for missing so many weeks for medical, without being with the company for a year. My foreman did all he could to keep me on. he even bent a few rules. the problem was that the VA set my appointments 2 weeks apart, to see what the changes to my meds did. That just made it too long for my company to keep me on. Aviator |
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I am sorry, man. I have been around this site for some years, always enjoyed your posts, and envied your job.  I was stationed at Rich for 4 years and know Alaska can be a rough place. I am really surprised at 19.5 years of service and they didn't retire you. Incredible to me. Was it because of the lump sum? Disregard, none of my business.It is sickening to me that some people work hard and serve the country for so long and fall upon such hard times, when I know people in the Army that were utter shitbags for all of their 3 years, and then scam the VA and collect close to 2000 a month for some made up bullshit. Disgusting. Again, I am sorry. Things will pick up, as you well know. I hope things happen soon for you. Good luck!
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You can count on us to lend an ear or shoulder. Whichever one you need. We all go through plateaus & valleys in life. Things will get better for you because you won't settle for anything less.  An ear is all I need for now. Just venting. I have busted my ass to do the right thing, and feel like I have been shit on. I am not the Lone Ranger, I know that. but, bitching down at the bar where I go to have coffee, is not gonna do me any favors. Probably not here either, but, it semi anonymous...
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I am sorry, man.I have been around this site for some years, always enjoyed your posts, and envied your job. I was stationed at Rich for 4 years and know Alaska can be a rough place. I am really surprised at 19.5 years of service and they didn't retire you. Incredible to me. Was it because of the lump sum? Disregard, none of my business.It is sickening to me that some people work hard and serve the country for so long and fall upon such hard times, when I know people in the Army that were utter shitbags for all of their 3 years, and then scam the VA and collect close to 2000 a month for some made up bullshit. Disgusting. Again, I am sorry. Things will pick up, as you well know. I hope things happen soon for you. Good luck! 19.5 years was mostly due to me being a thorn in the side of the Warrior Transition Unit. I saw a lot of things that were wrong and needed to be changed. I made a lot of waves from the General of MEDCOM in Alaska, to the State of Alaska Sgt Major. After 2 years in the WTU I was getting quite a name for myself. I have never been one in the Military to walk by a clusterfuck without trying to do something about it. That clusterfuck was wayyy beyond my paygrade, but I grabbed onto it anyway. I did what I could, and got out with what I could salvage. 
No Regrets... Aviator |
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First things first: THANK YOU for your service. To be medically retired at 19.5 years, so close to a full pension and medical, is a complete DICK move on the part of the military. They should have put you on a desk until you got your 20. Just my opinion.
Now for the observations of your decisions, and please understand I'm not trying to be an ass, just a guy looking at what you've presented to us and wondering about a few things. Choosing to take your "lump sum retirement" and build a cabin in the middle of nowhere and knowing that you have a medical condition to boot is not beneficial to providing for yourself. I'm curious why you chose an "employment limited" place like AK in the first place. I know international travel is expensive, but you took home NET, after taxes almost $12,000 a MONTH for two years knowing that your pilots license and CDL would likely become worthless due to the diabetes and didn't save ANY of it for a rainy day? Why? You knew that the Diabetes would limit your career choices and yet you chose not to learn a trade that would be unaffected by it. Why? My suggestion? Move where there is work. It sucks big hairy donkey balls that you have Diabetes, but it sounds like you're in good health otherwise. Move to a warmer climate, seek some education in a field of interest, and git 'er done. Don't be ashamed to take any benefits you can get your hands on as long as they are a means to generating self-sufficiency. You have a great attitude, it just seems like you've made some poor choices. But like you said, tomorrow is a new day and it's never too late to change the course of things. I sincerely wish you the best of luck and again, thank you for your service. |
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First things first: THANK YOU for your service. To be medically retired at 19.5 years, so close to a full pension and medical, is a complete DICK move on the part of the military. They should have put you on a desk until you got your 20. Just my opinion. Now for the observations of your decisions, and please understand I'm not trying to be an ass, just a guy looking at what you've presented to us and wondering about a few things. Choosing to take your "lump sum retirement" and build a cabin in the middle of nowhere and knowing that you have a medical condition to boot is not beneficial to providing for yourself. I'm curious why you chose an "employment limited" place like AK in the first place. I know international travel is expensive, but you took home NET, after taxes almost $12,000 a MONTH for two years knowing that your pilots license and CDL would likely become worthless due to the diabetes and didn't save ANY of it for a rainy day? Why? You knew that the Diabetes would limit your career choices and yet you chose not to learn a trade that would be unaffected by it. Why? My suggestion? Move where there is work. It sucks big hairy donkey balls that you have Diabetes, but it sounds like you're in good health otherwise. Move to a warmer climate, seek some education in a field of interest, and git 'er done. Don't be ashamed to take any benefits you can get your hands on as long as they are a means to generating self-sufficiency. You have a great attitude, it just seems like you've made some poor choices. But like you said, tomorrow is a new day and it's never too late to change the course of things. I sincerely wish you the best of luck and again, thank you for your service. Worked overseas and moved to Alaska in 2006-2008. Diabetes came into the picture in 2009 during a deployment. Aviator |
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It is sickening to me that some people work hard and serve the country for so long and fall upon such hard times, when I know people in the Army that were utter shitbags for all of their 3 years, and then scam the VA and collect close to 2000 a month for some made up bullshit. Disgusting. Aviator is a stud. He's posted pics of at least one tour in-I believe-Afghanistan, so he's seen some interesting work overseas to say the least. I have a friend from my platoon in ODS that filed a claim with the VA over PTSD because he was "traumatized" over a KIA we had. $700.00 a month beginning in 1992 because he knew how to game the system. I don't agree with it, but he isn't alone. OP is a man with honor and respect for himself. Unlike my associate, he's trying to do the right thing like any MAN would based on his values and work ethic. He's a good American that's gone above and beyond for two decades. It's going to be rough, but he'll get through it. This is how he deals with such a sudden turn in life-vent a little on GD, then dusts himself off and makes a plan to fix the problem. Nothing wrong with that at all, and I don't blame him a bit. Others would fold up and cave in to the easy route, but he's working through this and more or less, is "thinking aloud". We all need that now and again. |
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I'm confused. Did you spend 19.5 years on active duty? What grade did you get out as? I am sorry to hear about your situation, I am just curious. EDIT: was the housing situation that bad in ND? Actually, 23 some years between active and guard time. Lost a few years due to working as a contractor in Afghanistan because teaching BlackHawks in a school house in PA was not satisfying, and I wanted to get down range. It was my choice, and I have nobody to blame but myself. I was active from 85-93 then Guard from 93-96, 98-05. Contractor for the State Department, also in the guard, but "inactive" so I could be down range. Activated again from 09-11. Did Honduras, El Sal, Panama, Germany during the cold War, 1st Gulf War, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Ain't nothing but a thing.... Aviator ETA... Retired as an E6 (Aviation is tough...) |
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It is sickening to me that some people work hard and serve the country for so long and fall upon such hard times, when I know people in the Army that were utter shitbags for all of their 3 years, and then scam the VA and collect close to 2000 a month for some made up bullshit. Disgusting. Aviator is a stud. He's posted pics of at least one tour in-I believe-Afghanistan, so he's seen some interesting work overseas to say the least. I have a friend from my platoon in ODS that filed a claim with the VA over PTSD because he was "traumatized" over a KIA we had. $700.00 a month beginning in 1992 because he knew how to game the system. I don't agree with it, but he isn't alone. OP is a man with honor and respect for himself. Unlike my associate, he's trying to do the right thing like any MAN would based on his values and work ethic. He's a good American that's gone above and beyond for two decades. It's going to be rough, but he'll get through it. This is how he deals with such a sudden turn in life-vent a little on GD, then dusts himself off and makes a plan to fix the problem. Nothing wrong with that at all, and I don't blame him a bit. Others would fold up and cave in to the easy route, but he's working through this and more or less, is "thinking aloud". We all need that now and again. Agreed. I hope I didn't imply that the OP is anything like the VA scammers (I don't think it did?). From the little I know of him, I can admire the guy. Everyone falls on hard times. The way they handle those situations shows the true character of the man. I didn't get that vibe from your post at all. Aviator is well admired here, and there's a few us that are just a little jealous of his cabin in AK 
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FWIW It would seem you would fall under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Being a diabetic (insulin dependant?) your company that you worked for can get into a storm for firing you as a result of your disability. If you were/are a truck driver than diabetes would preclude you from onbtaining a CDL because you couldn't pass the physical requirements. It would also seem that you could get,100% SSDI because of diabetes. You done right by working hard paying taxes and serving the public interest. You got nailed by fammily genetics more than likely. You are a far cry from a freeloader. Get what is truly due to you.. If the VA is handling your medical,be ready for a crap ton of bullshit and wait times. I suggest you keep a detailed copy note book ,get a biz card from each doctor et al who you see each time and keep all copies of records they provide you. And take it with you everytime you go. You know, I paid $65 a month for short term disability with them, and another $45 for long term. I did not qualify for short term due to it being a pre-existing condition. I was let go for missing so many weeks for medical, without being with the company for a year. My foreman did all he could to keep me on. he even bent a few rules. the problem was that the VA set my appointments 2 weeks apart, to see what the changes to my meds did. That just made it too long for my company to keep me on. Aviator Had a similar run in when the VA appointments clashed with my school schedule while attending CST. I was in the final 'phase' of the school where I was working on actual customer firearms (and was ahead of schedule in that matter) when I was "asked to leave" for being an "absentee student." Few months later the VA rated me. Funny that.  Eh, fuck em, they can't take the knowledge out of my head and I've got some good folks willing to help me get my designs into action.
Anyways, to echo what everyone else has been saying, you've actually been a very productive member of our society and contributed to it significantly, so get your ass down to the local office and see what they can do to help get you along until you can find gainful employment again. And I say that because you don't strike me as the FSA type. You built your own damned cabin, something tells me you like to do for yourself. As an aside, what sort of pilots license/ratings do you hold? Rotary wing, multi-engine, instrument, etc.? ETA: Also, wtf? They kick you out on a medical only half a year from retirement and then the VA only rates you 40%?  Someone needs to get nut-checked with a nail-bat for that. Fucking people out of hard-earned pensions isn't cool. Ever. And especially when they earn that pension getting shot at.
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As an aside, what sort of pilots license/ratings do you hold? Rotary wing, multi-engine, instrument, etc.? Flew OH58s in the Army for 3 years, but no FAA paperwork on that. I was an aeroscout observer. I was also a Huey, Blackhawk, and Sherpa flight engineer. I hold Single Engine lad/Sea and was ready to take my check ride for Inst, but limited to sport pilot now due to insulin. Aviator |
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I'm confused. Did you spend 19.5 years on active duty? What grade did you get out as? I am sorry to hear about your situation, I am just curious. EDIT: was the housing situation that bad in ND? Actually, 23 some years between active and guard time. Lost a few years due to working as a contractor in Afghanistan because teaching BlackHawks in a school house in PA was not satisfying, and I wanted to get down range. It was my choice, and I have nobody to blame but myself. I was active from 85-93 then Guard from 93-96, 98-05. Contractor for the State Department, also in the guard, but "inactive" so I could be down range. Activated again from 09-11. Did Honduras, El Sal, Panama, Germany during the cold War, 1st Gulf War, Iraq, and Afghanistan. Ain't nothing but a thing.... Aviator ETA... Retired as an E6 (Aviation is tough...) This in red is the truth. I got out of the Army in 97 after 6 years of being a Huey crew chief as an E4. Promotion to Sgt. was impossible unless you maxed out EVERYTHING to get your 800 points. If you were enlisted aviation, can you do A&P work as a civilian? |
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Quoted: First things first: THANK YOU for your service. To be medically retired at 19.5 years, so close to a full pension and medical, is a complete DICK move on the part of the military. They should have put you on a desk until you got your 20. Just my opinion. Now for the observations of your decisions, and please understand I'm not trying to be an ass, just a guy looking at what you've presented to us and wondering about a few things. Choosing to take your "lump sum retirement" and build a cabin in the middle of nowhere and knowing that you have a medical condition to boot is not beneficial to providing for yourself. I'm curious why you chose an "employment limited" place like AK in the first place. I know international travel is expensive, but you took home NET, after taxes almost $12,000 a MONTH for two years knowing that your pilots license and CDL would likely become worthless due to the diabetes and didn't save ANY of it for a rainy day? Why? You knew that the Diabetes would limit your career choices and yet you chose not to learn a trade that would be unaffected by it. Why? My suggestion? Move where there is work. It sucks big hairy donkey balls that you have Diabetes, but it sounds like you're in good health otherwise. Move to a warmer climate, seek some education in a field of interest, and git 'er done. Don't be ashamed to take any benefits you can get your hands on as long as they are a means to generating self-sufficiency. You have a great attitude, it just seems like you've made some poor choices. But like you said, tomorrow is a new day and it's never too late to change the course of things. I sincerely wish you the best of luck and again, thank you for your service. I basically came here to say thanks for your service and to post the paragraph above. Your situation is EXACTLY why I spent the past 10 years in college, and I'm most certainly going to go back for more. I'm not here to bash your choices and how you spent your money, but I've heard stories similar to yours in the past. If I were you, and this is just ME... I would pack my shit, sell the cabin and land, then get A JOB you can keep with your medical issues SOMEWHERE. I would then start taking college classes at night. It took me 6 years to get my undergrad degree and my dad spent 8 years because he worked construction during the day while going to school at night...he had no other support.
I sat in night school with tons of 30s, 40s, and 50 year olds. It sucked hard for them, but they got it done. If you want to have a fulfilling life in the years to come, you must learn to manage the diabetes (assuming you have type 2). At least three people in my immediate family have it, including my mother, and I'll probably get it when I'm a little older. It is imperative for you to watch your blood sugar like a hawk. Your life is literally at stake. It's a slow killer, but each day adds up. I know you have worked hard all these years, and I am sorry to year about the .mil screwing you out of your retirement. I enjoy reading your posts on here, and I hope you are about to quickly bounce back from these difficult times. |