Posted: 11/8/2012 10:07:41 AM EDT
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Leave people free to do what they want as long as they don't hurt anyone,
Not invade any more countries that aren't physically attacking us or our friends, Shrink the Government to the original mandated functions in the Constitution, And otherwise leave people to their own devices........ or see the Democrats keep winning elections for the foreseeable future? The way it seems to me, those are the choices the party faces after the bitch slapping it took the other day. |
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Republicans arent going to win elections by caving on pet issues of democrat voters. The democrat candidates will do what those voters want anyway, so going soft on social issues won't get any more votes. I find it fascinating every single time I see it that when (R)'s tell people how to live, it's perfectly fine. When (D)'s tell people how to live, it's fascist. Shit isn't going to change for anyone for any party at any time until EVERYONE stop lying to themselves and sees things for what they really are. |
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The election is decided by the politically ignorant 10%. Mitt only lost the popular vote by 2%, and 500,000 votes in the correct battleground states would have won the election.
The Dem fearmongering about Bain Capital and womens reproductive rights rwon out over the Republican fearmongering that Obama had killed the economy and the threat of terrorism. This is not the end of the world people. I fully expect the GOP to regain seats in the Senate in 2014, and continue to dominate the House. And promising to cut goverment is a loser for the Republicans, too many people are employed in goverment or on the dole. Right now, $3 are spent for every $2 brought in, think the economy could take the hit of cutting goverment by 30%, especially when entitlements are guaranteed to keep on rising. We would be reduced to a PT Boat Navy and a Crop Duster Air Force. |
| You posted damn near every plank in the LP platform. Hows that worked out in the last 40+ years? You might as well come to grips with the cold hard facts that while it would be good for the GOP to include some of the ideas of the LP a complete and total adoption of a bi-polar party platform fucks any party that tries to use it. |
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Republicans arent going to win elections by caving on pet issues of democrat voters. The democrat candidates will do what those voters want anyway, so going soft on social issues won't get any more votes. The median voter is pro-freedom on social issues, and that's one of several key reasons why Obama was able to mobilize votes despite his abysmal economic record. If you really think going pro-freedom on social issues wouldn't get votes, you've got your head stuck in the sand and will keep losing. In fact, you'll deserve it. |
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You posted damn near every plank in the LP platform. Hows that worked out in the last 40+ years? You might as well come to grips with the cold hard facts that while it would be good for the GOP to include some of the ideas of the LP a complete and total adoption of a bi-polar party platform fucks any party that tries to use it. You noticed that did you?  Guess what. It was intentional. You can keep your faith. You can keep a strong conservative tradition, but you NEED to convince the average voter you won't try to force him into your way of life. If you don't do that, you're going to keep alienating libertarians, moderates, minorities and women. If you hadn't done that this time, you'd be in office. Learn from the mistake. Adjust fire and get back to the pro-freedom roots of the Republican Party. Please.
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The election is decided by the politically ignorant 10%. Mitt only lost the popular vote by 2%, and 500,000 votes in the correct battleground states would have won the election. The Dem fearmongering about Bain Capital and womens reproductive rights rwon out over the Republican fearmongering that Obama had killed the economy and the threat of terrorism. This is not the end of the world people. I fully expect the GOP to regain seats in the Senate in 2014, and continue to dominate the House. Only if they don't nominate absolute morons this time. If it weren't for Akin and Mourdock we'd have had a better shot. Those two fools changed the nature of the conversation in the election as well as lent credence to the Democrats' "War on Women" narrative. To put it bluntly, the Republican Party needs its own Obama. That's not to say we need someone who is equally devoid of substance, but someone who has the ability to engage the electorate and excite his base while running a technically proficient 21st Century campaign. The Republicans' ground game was much better this time around than it was in 2008, however the Democrats Moneyballed us. They knew down to the voter in some cases who they needed to sway, who they needed to get to the polls, and who was going to be responsive to their pleas for funds. They knew the best ads to runs in which markets and sometimes these decisions defied conventional campaign wisdom. Now that Obama will not be campaigning for office again the massive apparatus that the Democrats built for his election will be turned over to winning the House and the Senate as well as to winning 2016. They're not going to quit. They have found a system that works well. Yes, they lost voters this time, but they still held on to enough to win with a largely discouraged electorate. They've entered the 21st Century while the Republicans are largely left in the 1980s. The Republican interpretation of the pre-election polls made sense from that perspective. They failed to recognize that Obama and his campaign had both changed the nature of the electorate as well as the game itself. The Republicans need to learn from this, or they'll perish. Inside the Secret World of the Data Crunchers Who Helped Obama Win |
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Let me beat on the dead horse some more.
No one learned shit from this election. I heard talking heads last night say "Romney was a great candidate." 
The Democrats didn't have a leg to stand on regarding the economy. But they know what alot of Republicans sound like (and think like) on certain social issues. So they hit up the usual suspects for soundbites any chance they could get. And Republicans took the bait. If you want to keep losing elections, by all means keep focusing on gays, abortion, drugs, porn, gambling, etc... |
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Quoted: Quoted: Republicans arent going to win elections by caving on pet issues of democrat voters. The democrat candidates will do what those voters want anyway, so going soft on social issues won't get any more votes. The median voter is pro-freedom on social issues, and that's one of several key reasons why Obama was able to mobilize votes despite his abysmal economic record. If you really think going pro-freedom on social issues wouldn't get votes, you've got your head stuck in the sand and will keep losing. In fact, you'll deserve it. Do I want to get the vote of someone that rather have the ability to murder their unborn child over fixing the economy or the future of this country? No. They are incapable of rational thought. Why? Abortion isn't going away. It isn't happening. End of Story. The End. |
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The Democrats didn't have a leg to stand on regarding the economy. But they know what alot of Republicans sound like (and think like) on certain social issues. So they hit up the usual suspects for soundbites any chance they could get. The base loves it. "Pissing off the liberals LOL!" is more important than winning. |
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Quoted: Leave people free to do what they want as long as they don't hurt anyone, Not invade any more countries that aren't physically attacking us or our friends, Shrink the Government to the original mandated functions in the Constitution, And otherwise leave people to their own devices........ Those are all great things and I support them all but you can't win an election any longer unless you give out free stuff. |
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Let me beat on the dead horse some more. No one learned shit from this election. I heard talking heads last night say "Romney was a great candidate."
The Democrats didn't have a leg to stand on regarding the economy. But they know what alot of Republicans sound like (and think like) on certain social issues. So they hit up the usual suspects for soundbites any chance they could get. And Republicans took the bait. If you want to keep losing elections, by all means keep focusing on gays, abortion, drugs, porn, gambling, etc... +1 Banning weed = good! Banning 16oz soda = bad! Folks (on both sides) MUST quit listening to their party, and start paying attention to logic. There IS NO LOGIC in what your party is trying to feed you. |
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Republicans arent going to win elections by caving on pet issues of democrat voters. The democrat candidates will do what those voters want anyway, so going soft on social issues won't get any more votes. The median voter is pro-freedom on social issues, and that's one of several key reasons why Obama was able to mobilize votes despite his abysmal economic record. If you really think going pro-freedom on social issues wouldn't get votes, you've got your head stuck in the sand and will keep losing. In fact, you'll deserve it. Do I want to get the vote of someone that rather have the ability to murder their unborn child over fixing the economy or the future of this country? No. They are incapable of rational thought. Why? Abortion isn't going away. It isn't happening. End of Story. The End. If you can't let go of the reigns enough for people to trust you as guardians of freedom, you're going to keep losing. Gripe all you want, but it's true. |
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Leave people free to do what they want as long as they don't hurt anyone, Not invade any more countries that aren't physically attacking us or our friends, Shrink the Government to the original mandated functions in the Constitution, And otherwise leave people to their own devices........ Those are all great things and I support them all but you can't win an election any longer unless you give out free stuff. This time, it would have been tough, but as the economy collapses under the dead weight of Obamanomics people will feel the pain. It'll be the GOPs job to convince people of the truth about its source. To do that, it needs to be trusted, and that's a long reach right now. |
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Republicans arent going to win elections by caving on pet issues of democrat voters. The democrat candidates will do what those voters want anyway, so going soft on social issues won't get any more votes. The median voter is pro-freedom on social issues, and that's one of several key reasons why Obama was able to mobilize votes despite his abysmal economic record. If you really think going pro-freedom on social issues wouldn't get votes, you've got your head stuck in the sand and will keep losing. In fact, you'll deserve it. Do I want to get the vote of someone that rather have the ability to murder their unborn child over fixing the economy or the future of this country? No. They are incapable of rational thought. Why? Abortion isn't going away. It isn't happening. End of Story. The End. It's called a scarecrow. Todd Akin lends it a menacing, believable touch. In case you hadn't noticed, most people, Republicans and Democrats alike, are motivated to vote through their emotions. Not their reason. |
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Quoted: Let me beat on the dead horse some more. No one learned shit from this election. I heard talking heads last night say "Romney was a great candidate." The Democrats didn't have a leg to stand on regarding the economy. But they know what alot of Republicans sound like (and think like) on certain social issues. So they hit up the usual suspects for soundbites any chance they could get. And Republicans took the bait. If you want to keep losing elections, by all means keep focusing on gays, abortion, drugs, porn, gambling, etc... It's not like Republicans are particularly credible when talking about the economy. You have to go with what you're good at. |
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You posted damn near every plank in the LP platform. Hows that worked out in the last 40+ years? You might as well come to grips with the cold hard facts that while it would be good for the GOP to include some of the ideas of the LP a complete and total adoption of a bi-polar party platform fucks any party that tries to use it. You noticed that did you? Guess what. It was intentional. You can keep your faith. You can keep a strong conservative tradition, but you NEED to convince the average voter you won't try to force him into your way of life. If you don't do that, you're going to keep alienating libertarians, moderates, minorities and women. If you hadn't done that this time, you'd be in office. Learn from the mistake. Adjust fire and get back to the pro-freedom roots of the Republican Party. Please.And yet the LP has peddled that shit for forty fucking years and no one is buying it. No one. The real question is: Will that ever sink in to you and yours? No one wants the silly shit you are peddling.
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