[ARCHIVED THREAD] - LOL CCW classes. (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/23/2012 1:35:53 PM EDT
So I get an e-mail asking if I teach non-shooting CCW classes..  Really? really?
Uh thats like teaching racing with out any track time.. |
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I've taken a non shooting CCW class. If that is the requirement, so what. (non resident Utah CCW)
So I get an e-mail asking if I teach non-shooting CCW classes.. Really? really?
Uh thats like teaching racing with out any track time.. I'm also a non res Utah permit holder. |
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Non res Utah permits as already mentioned. Also some states reguire a class like hunters safety etc, but no shooting.
Some guys just want to get their permit without having to fork out alot of money. Some people have budgets that just wont allow a shooting class, that by the time they are done with costs more than the sidearm they own. I personally like taking classes, cant assume that every guy that wants a CCW wants to take one though. |
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most of these "classes" are a fuckin joke anyway. the "instructors" are buffoons with nra certifications. not worth the paper they are printed on.  dude were about ready to throw down! follow me out side! /rips off shirt.present company excepted, of course 
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I just want to carry it and have a short demonstration on brandishing. Cover the valuable TV moves like racking the slide multiple times, very noisy safety manipulation, pulling back the hammer when you mean business and of course, the wolf stare. thats eggzactly what I cover.. 
Ive always done a short range trip/shooting portion to the class. |
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Utah doesn't require shooting. The class is a fucking joke.
Maine and AZ does require shooting. The class was a fucking joke. Most CCW classes are a fucking joke. I would prefer to take one without shooting. And I would prefer not to take a class at all to exercise a right. |
| I teach WI CCW and I am also a UT CFP Instructor. Neither state requires live fire to get a permit. Watching someone slowly shoot 10 rounds at a stationary paper target doesn't tell you if they will be able to shoot in a life or death situation anyway. However, I always stress that getting the permit doesn't mean anything if you can't shoot, which is why the group I work with has many other NRA and defensive firearms courses. |
How is there not more blood in the streets? |
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They should take some non-CCW shooting classes first. Every shooter (except myself of course) at the CHL classed I've taken were horrible. I cannot tell you how many times ive been almost shot.. And really hate doing them. Id rather do a pistol or rifle class any day. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Florida requires firing ONE round.  I make 'em bring 100. Your really sad about that? It shouldnt even require application for a permit. Well, two different things. You're right it shouldn't be required. But, since it is, I make sure that anyone I give an NRA cert to is comfortable shooting. I get a lot of folks that have never shot before, so I want them to not fear the firearm.
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Florida requires firing ONE round. I make 'em bring 100. Your really sad about that? It shouldnt even require application for a permit. Well, two different things. You're right it shouldn't be required. But, since it is, I make sure that anyone I give an NRA cert to is comfortable shooting. I get a lot of folks that have never shot before, so I want them to not fear the firearm. thank god im not the only one that feels this way.. Ya its not needed but, Ive had many that have signed up that have never shot before, Let alone own a gun. |
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Florida requires firing ONE round. I make 'em bring 100. Your really sad about that? It shouldnt even require application for a permit. He just wants free range brass. Seriously though, what is someone going to learn by shooting one, or 100 rounds in one day? Edit after I saw your response: If they want to stay after and blast away, fine. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Florida requires firing ONE round. I make 'em bring 100. Your really sad about that? It shouldnt even require application for a permit. He just wants free range brass. Seriously though, what is someone going to learn by shooting one, or 100 rounds in one day? Some learn that it won't bite. It won't jump out of your hand. And I have them shoot left and right handed so they know they CAN weak-hand fire. And I don't reload... yet.
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Idaho classes require zero shooting. They just go over law. Same in Iowa. If you have a DD214 to show them, no class is required at all. Personally, I think it is wise to sit through a class that goes over the laws, at a minimum. Many people do not understand what the laws are. The class also covers things like what would likely happen if you do have to shoot someone, and other scenarios. I do not think it should be required though. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Florida requires firing ONE round. I make 'em bring 100. Your really sad about that? It shouldnt even require application for a permit. He just wants free range brass. Seriously though, what is someone going to learn by shooting one, or 100 rounds in one day? Some learn that it won't bite. It won't jump out of your hand. And I have them shoot left and right handed so they know they CAN weak-hand fire. And I don't reload... yet. AZ doesn't have any real requirements. Mine was taught by a sheriffs deputy. The course consisted of practicing malfunction drills, two hand, strong hand and weak hand shots at targets at about 8 feet. He also had some IPSC style barriers to simulate a home invasion where you're taking cover and shooting around a wall in a hallway. I actually learned a few things and it was a lot of fun. That is 10 times more "tactical" than 99.99999999999999% of people will ever experience in their life. |
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Idaho classes require zero shooting. They just go over law. Same in Iowa. If you have a DD214 to show them, no class is required at all. Personally, I think it is wise to sit through a class that goes over the laws, at a minimum. Many people do not understand what the laws are. The class also covers things like what would likely happen if you do have to shoot someone, and other scenarios. I do not think it should be required though. I'm constantly shocked to learn what other people think the law says even among CHL holders. |
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most of these "classes" are a fuckin joke anyway. the "instructors" are buffoons with nra certifications. not worth the paper they are printed on. If you have first hand information about an NRA Instructor who is unqualified, unprofessional, unsafe, or who is not conducting classes properly please send a letter detailing the information to: Mark Richardson NRA Training Department 11250 Waples Mill Rd Fairfax, VA 22030 The NRA takes the quality of their training very seriously and does not allow instructors who are not maintaining NRA standards continue doing anything that could put the public in jeopardy. |
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Florida requires firing ONE round. I make 'em bring 100. Your really sad about that? It shouldnt even require application for a permit. He just wants free range brass. Seriously though, what is someone going to learn by shooting one, or 100 rounds in one day? Some learn that it won't bite. It won't jump out of your hand. And I have them shoot left and right handed so they know they CAN weak-hand fire. And I don't reload... yet. AZ doesn't have any real requirements. Mine was taught by a sheriffs deputy. The course consisted of practicing malfunction drills, two hand, strong hand and weak hand shots at targets at about 8 feet. He also had some IPSC style barriers to simulate a home invasion where you're taking cover and shooting around a wall in a hallway. I actually learned a few things and it was a lot of fun. That is 10 times more "tactical" than 99.99999999999999% of people will ever experience in their life. This is the description of the class my buddy attended here in Ohio. He is a much better shooter because of it. He knew nothing going into the class other than what a pistol looks like. I want to take the class just for the training. |
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Colorado does not require any shooting in their CCW class. I just listened to a retired game warden tell us how much more he knew about guns then the rest of us for a few hours then went home. Of course it was a waste but what do you expect.
If its any consolation, the Colorado hunter safety class is just as much of a joke and it involves shooting. After taking hunter safety I came to one conclusion, i wil only hunt in the backcountry as those fuckers are scary as hell with guns, including the SWAT officer (in full uniform) who couldn't hit an 8x10 piece of paper at 10 yds with a single shot .22. If only i could've taken a picture of his "wide" shooting stance we all could've laughed for hours on end. |
| Training should not be required to get a permit. At the same time, if someone is required by law to take a training class, that person should recieve quality training that will make them safer and more effective with a firearm and less likely to find themselves needing to use it. |
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most of these "classes" are a fuckin joke anyway. the "instructors" are buffoons with nra certifications. not worth the paper they are printed on. If it gets you a clearance to get a CCW then it is work the paper it is printed on and the $100 or so buck it cost. |
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What do you learn at a non-shooting CCW class? How to make the pump shotgun CHA-CHUNK sounds with your mouth? The basic legal requirements of the state law, where you can carry and where you can not, if the course instructor is not a retard you can learn about the manner and types of carry. If your NRA certified instructor was as retarded as mine he will tell you how great the .22 Magnum revolver is and how much auto pistols suck. (Just nod your head and ignore that little gem and don't even bother to write it in your notes.) PS I took the class because it was one of the options to get my CCW, it served it's purpose and I don't ever have to go to one of those classes again. |
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Why not teach a class at a range, and make the last hour optional for those that want to shoot in a structured environment optional? The people that are first time shooters will be able to get some instruction, and the people who are not new to shooting, but only carrying, are free to go. People taking part in the shoot must bring 100 factory rounds with them. |
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Quoted: No training required at all in New York. Oh noes! Blood in the streets! Innocent bystanders killed! Required training to get a ccw is pointless arbitrary and a joke. Well, that's not exactly true, it's county by county. When I was in Rockland, we had a sheriff deputy teach the 1 hour course. They only covered basic safety and not law. Which I found odd. |
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I just want to carry it and have a short demonstration on brandishing. Cover the valuable TV moves like racking the slide multiple times, very noisy safety manipulation, pulling back the hammer when you mean business and of course, the wolf stare. thats eggzactly what I cover..
Ive always done a short range trip/shooting portion to the class. Do you teach how to cock the hammer on striker-fired pistols? I've seen it in movies and on TV but for the life of me, I can't figure it out. |