Posted: 10/21/2012 8:06:17 PM EDT
| Need advice for a battery for my Jeep. Two Optima yellow tops have failed in 2 years, so they're out. Need something that will run a winch, amp and lots of lights etc. |
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Die Hard Platinum.
Same as the Odyssey but without the price tag. ETA: Thread at ExPo about it. |
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Yep, Optima's quality control has gone to absolute shit recently.
The "AC Delco" name was recently sold off to Johnson Controls (same company that makes several dozen other brands). Interstate now makes most of their batteries in Mexico, and their quality isn't what it used to be, either. Plenty of off-roaders seem to like the Diehard Platinum. |
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Die Hard Platinum. Same as the Odyssey but without the price tag. ETA: Thread at ExPo about it. This. |
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Quoted: This, and yes, it's gel. Have had one in my Burb for almost 4 years - never any problems.Die Hard Platinum. Same as the Odyssey but without the price tag. ETA: Thread at ExPo about it. ETA: Not that this proves anything, but this is a gun forum and all.....  |
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Die Hard Platinum. Same as the Odyssey but without the price tag. ETA: Thread at ExPo about it. This. Good info to know. |
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Hey, people assure me that batteries have not gotten any better than 100 years ago.... so... uh... just go buy the cheapest POS you can. They're all the same, after all. [/sarcasm] Optima used to be the shit, had one last 6 years under brutal conditions in Alaska...The new ones just suck. 
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Quoted: I went though a couple blue tops for my troling motor. Left me stranded more then I care to count. Long paddle pack.Quoted: Hey, people assure me that batteries have not gotten any better than 100 years ago.... so... uh... just go buy the cheapest POS you can. They're all the same, after all. [/sarcasm] Optima used to be the shit, had one last 6 years under brutal conditions in Alaska...The new ones just suck. F Optima
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Thing about deep cycle, and dual purpose (Yellow Top), is that they are very finicky once they are run down. You completely drain one of those and you run the chance of having the battery take a shit.
And you don't need a dual battery set up if you're not using everything at once –– and keep the motor running when possible. |
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Thing about deep cycle, and dual purpose (Yellow Top), is that they are very finicky once they are run down. You completely drain one of those and you run the chance of having the battery take a shit. You have that bass-akwards. Deep-cycle batteries are designed to tolerate being run down many times without any significant loss of capacity. Some "Marine/RV" deep-cycle batteries can be completely discharged hundreds of times, and will still perform like new. Some of the really beefy industrial deep-cycle batteries can be completely discharged thousands of times. By contrast, conventional SLI ("Starting, Lighting, Ignition") automotive batteries do not tolerate deep discharges at all. Run 'em down just a couple of times, and they're never the same again. |
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It's counterintuitive, but the friggin OEM Chrysler Battery in the 02' TJ is the best Battery I have ever bought, and it came with the Jeep.
11 years worth of regular usage, plus pretty frequent use running a winch and a transfer pump. Dunno who made them for Chrysler in 02', but I have half a mind to pick up another one. |
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Thing about deep cycle, and dual purpose (Yellow Top), is that they are very finicky once they are run down. You completely drain one of those and you run the chance of having the battery take a shit. You have that bass-akwards. Deep-cycle batteries are designed to tolerate being run down many times without any significant loss of capacity. Some "Marine/RV" deep-cycle batteries can be completely discharged hundreds of times, and will still perform like new. Some of the really beefy industrial deep-cycle batteries can be completely discharged thousands of times. By contrast, conventional SLI ("Starting, Lighting, Ignition") automotive batteries do not tolerate deep discharges at all. Run 'em down just a couple of times, and they're never the same again. Designed to tolerate them more. They only have so many cycles they can go through before they shit the bed. This is what I was taught. You seem more knowledgeable than I so I'll defer to your judgment for the princely sum of four pounds of bacon. Thick cut. 
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Quoted: Quoted: Hey, people assure me that batteries have not gotten any better than 100 years ago.... so... uh... just go buy the cheapest POS you can. They're all the same, after all. [/sarcasm] Optima used to be the shit, had one last 6 years under brutal conditions in Alaska...The new ones just suck. Whoever makes the stock Motorcraft batteries does a good job. Mine are going bad at 9 years old finally in my F450 6.0. most of my other diesel Fords went 7 or 8 years also. My buddy is still running his stock batteries in his 98 7.3, that is 15 years. ALL in Alaska. Optima is just packaging and marketing, do not fall for that shit. DieHard Plat looks like AGM which is the best type. |
I run Interstate batteries in all my vehicles, including my '06 Jeep LJ. Something you may want to consider since you are running so much equipment - lights & winch - is to add a second battery and a higher amperage alternator. Running things like huge lights, a winch or snow plow will suck the life out of a battery. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Thing about deep cycle, and dual purpose (Yellow Top), is that they are very finicky once they are run down. You completely drain one of those and you run the chance of having the battery take a shit. You have that bass-akwards. Deep-cycle batteries are designed to tolerate being run down many times without any significant loss of capacity. Some "Marine/RV" deep-cycle batteries can be completely discharged hundreds of times, and will still perform like new. Some of the really beefy industrial deep-cycle batteries can be completely discharged thousands of times. By contrast, conventional SLI ("Starting, Lighting, Ignition") automotive batteries do not tolerate deep discharges at all. Run 'em down just a couple of times, and they're never the same again. deep-cycle batteries still are not built to be cycled to below 40% capacity |
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AC Delco batteries have machined plates instead of cast. They last longer. what are these machined plates you talk about? do you mean punch pressed? casted plates last the longest, i work at a battery company and alot of your larger companies dont even want the punched grids in their batteries. im not saying the punched grids arent any good because they are but a casted grid is better quality |
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Thing about deep cycle, and dual purpose (Yellow Top), is that they are very finicky once they are run down. You completely drain one of those and you run the chance of having the battery take a shit. You have that bass-akwards. Deep-cycle batteries are designed to tolerate being run down many times without any significant loss of capacity. Some "Marine/RV" deep-cycle batteries can be completely discharged hundreds of times, and will still perform like new. Some of the really beefy industrial deep-cycle batteries can be completely discharged thousands of times. By contrast, conventional SLI ("Starting, Lighting, Ignition") automotive batteries do not tolerate deep discharges at all. Run 'em down just a couple of times, and they're never the same again. deep-cycle batteries still are not built to be cycled to below 40% capacity They do last longer if they're not heavily discharged on a regular basis, but they'll still tolerate plenty of very deep cycles. For example, here's the cycle life data for the Concord Lifeline brand of deep-cycle batteries: 
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If you are going to run all that think about installing a second battery. Not all at once...but it will get a workout. I have no more room underhood. Last spot was taken by on board air. I had the same problem. This solved it. http://www.quadratec.com/products/17004_4003_07.htm |