Posted: 10/1/2012 5:23:05 PM EDT
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http://newmexico.watchdog.org/16306/poll-shows-gary-johnson-at-10-6-in-ohio-is-that-for-real/
While most all other polling organizations have asked potential voters to choose among Obama, Romney and “other,” Gravis included Johnson in its survey of Ohio, which holds 18 Electoral College votes. Here were the results when Johnson’s name was included: 11. If the Presidential election was held today and the candidates were Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt Romey, and Libertarian Gary Johnson, whom would you vote? Johnson 10.6% Obama 44.5% Other/Unsure 7.1% Romney 37.8% If the 10% had to pick between obungo and rmoney, which way would they go? 
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I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson.
If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. |
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Sadly it appears that Johnson could prove to be Romney's downfall. I guess his voters will somehow feel warm and fuzzy with their clear conscience when owebama is sworn in again.  Thanks GJ voters!  Which people are voting for Johnson that you think would vote for Romney if he were not running? The pro-marijuana group? The anti-war group? The group that wants to cut military spending? The mildly pro-choice group? It seems to me that post of the people in those groups would be voting for Obama if Johnson wasn't running. I imagine that there is a relatively small number of people who decided to vote for Johnson over Romney because they want smaller government and less gun control. Maybe I'm mistaken, though. |
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Quoted: I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson. If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. My boss (who is convinced I'm a liberal because I agree with him on Gay Marriage, the War on Drugs, Abortion, and our shitty Foreign Policy - I've never bothered to correct him on the other, more important shit), is adamantly convinced that my vote for Johnson is handing the election to Romney. Funny, that. But we're going to count all the Johnson votes for Romney, yeah? |
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I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson. If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. My boss (who is convinced I'm a liberal because I agree with him on Gay Marriage, the War on Drugs, Abortion, and our shitty Foreign Policy - I've never bothered to correct him on the other, more important shit), is adamantly convinced that my vote for Johnson is handing the election to Romney. Funny, that. But we're going to count all the Johnson votes for Romney, yeah? That's why this whole thing is so silly to me. If you have an issue or a group of issues that are important to you and Romney is vastly different on these issues than Obama, great, then pick the candidate that supports your issue(s). However, on certain key issues that are important to other people, there is no meaningful difference between the two candidates. Therefor, saying that Obama thanks them for their vote (or Romney in your case, subnet) is ridiculous, since on the issues that are important to them it doesn't matter which of the two candidates gets into office. At least that's my opinion. I'm very pro-life, so I'm afraid that I can't in good conscience vote for Johnson. The other two certainly don't align with my beliefs, so I intend to sit this one out. As I'm in Texas, I don't imagine that too many people will care. |
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So you guys think there is a lot of talk at the DU of voting for GJ instead of bho? Really? It looks like the people on DU are all for the most part planning on voting for Obama, not Johnson. However, keep in mind that it seems to be a website dedicated to the democratic party. From what I can tell, if you're a libertarian, neither Obama or Romney is going to make you anything close to happy. They're both going to nominate statist judges, they're both almost certainly going to pass more laws, etc. Romney very well may lower taxes and spur the economy upward and onward, but I don't think that those are the issues that keep most libertarians up at night. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson. If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. My boss (who is convinced I'm a liberal because I agree with him on Gay Marriage, the War on Drugs, Abortion, and our shitty Foreign Policy - I've never bothered to correct him on the other, more important shit), is adamantly convinced that my vote for Johnson is handing the election to Romney. Funny, that. But we're going to count all the Johnson votes for Romney, yeah? It's funny, that whole "perspective" thing, huh? |
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Sadly it appears that Johnson could prove to be Romney's downfall. I guess his voters will somehow feel warm and fuzzy with their clear conscience when owebama is sworn in again. Thanks GJ voters! You're welcome. 
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Most of you guys were too young to remember the hoopla about Ross Perot. He gave Clinton a second term. I bet he feels great about it too. And so do the voters who voted for him just to prove it's not a 2 party system. I'm prepared for a second term for this idiot. Maybe those third party voters would get a clue when we get an all-liberal SCOTUS and get gun laws like California nationwide, but somehow I doubt it. No open carry of an loaded/unloaded long arms or handguns. No possession outside the house. It'll be great. Can't wait. The lesson doesn't really take until it bites you in the ass. Then it's too late. |
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Most of you guys were too young to remember the hoopla about Ross Perot. He gave Clinton a second term. I bet he feels great about it too. And so do the voters who voted for him just to prove it's not a 2 party system. I'm prepared for a second term for this idiot. Maybe those third party voters would get a clue when we get an all-liberal SCOTUS and get gun laws like California nationwide, but somehow I doubt it. No open carry of an loaded/unloaded long arms or handguns. No possession outside the house. It'll be great. Can't wait. The lesson doesn't really take until it bites you in the ass. Then it's too late. I'm not convinced that that would be that much worse that what we have now. There's more to life than just guns. With over 4,000 federal crimes on the books and various state laws as well, we've already reached the point where the government can arrest pretty much anyone and then find a crime that they have committed after the fact. Given this current situation, do you really expect me to sit here and fear Obama/SCOTUS passing more laws? We may fast be approaching the point where more laws leads to more desensitization of those who are "law breakers." |
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I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson. If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. My boss (who is convinced I'm a liberal because I agree with him on Gay Marriage, the War on Drugs, Abortion, and our shitty Foreign Policy - I've never bothered to correct him on the other, more important shit), is adamantly convinced that my vote for Johnson is handing the election to Romney. Funny, that. But we're going to count all the Johnson votes for Romney, yeah? Recall that I proved, empirically, that a vote for a third party is always a vote against the incumbent or his party. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson. If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. My boss (who is convinced I'm a liberal because I agree with him on Gay Marriage, the War on Drugs, Abortion, and our shitty Foreign Policy - I've never bothered to correct him on the other, more important shit), is adamantly convinced that my vote for Johnson is handing the election to Romney. Funny, that. But we're going to count all the Johnson votes for Romney, yeah? Recall that I proved, empirically, that a vote for a third party is always a vote against the incumbent or his party. I don't recall that, but I'd seriously love to read it. |
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I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson. If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. My boss (who is convinced I'm a liberal because I agree with him on Gay Marriage, the War on Drugs, Abortion, and our shitty Foreign Policy - I've never bothered to correct him on the other, more important shit), is adamantly convinced that my vote for Johnson is handing the election to Romney. Funny, that. But we're going to count all the Johnson votes for Romney, yeah? Recall that I proved, empirically, that a vote for a third party is always a vote against the incumbent or his party. I agree. A vote for the pickle puffer Johnson is a vote that was cast for 0 in 08. |
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Most of you guys were too young to remember the hoopla about Ross Perot. He gave Clinton a second term. I bet he feels great about it too. And so do the voters who voted for him just to prove it's not a 2 party system. I'm prepared for a second term for this idiot. Maybe those third party voters would get a clue when we get an all-liberal SCOTUS and get gun laws like California nationwide, but somehow I doubt it. No open carry of an loaded/unloaded long arms or handguns. No possession outside the house. It'll be great. Can't wait. The lesson doesn't really take until it bites you in the ass. Then it's too late. And if the CIA would have left old Ross alone, maybe he wouldn't have quit. That was the true turning point in America...fuck old man bush and slick willy, and fuck NAFTA too. 
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Most of you guys were too young to remember the hoopla about Ross Perot. He gave Clinton a second term. I bet he feels great about it too. And so do the voters who voted for him just to prove it's not a 2 party system. I'm prepared for a second term for this idiot. Maybe those third party voters would get a clue when we get an all-liberal SCOTUS and get gun laws like California nationwide, but somehow I doubt it. No open carry of an loaded/unloaded long arms or handguns. No possession outside the house. It'll be great. Can't wait. The lesson doesn't really take until it bites you in the ass. Then it's too late. Some of us are old enough to remember that..... But we are not prepared to deal with another Obama and a democrat senate term. We haven't had time to build any wealth. Taxmageddon is going to fucking rape my wife and I. 4% hike (IIRC) on income, plus our dividend income is going to almost triple, and our investments are going to have the shit taxed out of them. I don't know if Romney is going to fix any of this but I sure as hell know that Obama is not. If you cause Obama to win.... Well you are an asshole. |
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Quoted: Sadly it appears that Johnson could prove to be Romney's downfall. I guess his voters will somehow feel warm and fuzzy with their clear conscience when owebama is sworn in again. Thanks GJ voters! Thank You DOUBTER. NEGATIVE NANCY! YOUR THE ONE CASTING THE WRONG VOTE <CoC Violation removed - Z> ! NOT US GJ Supporters! |
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Quoted: Quoted: Sadly it appears that Johnson could prove to be Romney's downfall. I guess his voters will somehow feel warm and fuzzy with their clear conscience when owebama is sworn in again. Thanks GJ voters! Which people are voting for Johnson that you think would vote for Romney if he were not running? The pro-marijuana group? The anti-war group? The group that wants to cut military spending? The mildly pro-choice group? It seems to me that post of the people in those groups would be voting for Obama if Johnson wasn't running. I imagine that there is a relatively small number of people who decided to vote for Johnson over Romney because they want smaller government and less gun control. Maybe I'm mistaken, though. <CoC Violation removed - Z> hes 50/50 for Republican and Democratic Historic Support. Hes a tweener and he pulls votes from both parties. Do your freaking research |
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Most of you guys were too young to remember the hoopla about Ross Perot. He gave Clinton a second term. I bet he feels great about it too. And so do the voters who voted for him just to prove it's not a 2 party system. I'm prepared for a second term for this idiot. Maybe those third party voters would get a clue when we get an all-liberal SCOTUS and get gun laws like California nationwide, but somehow I doubt it. No open carry of an loaded/unloaded long arms or handguns. No possession outside the house. It'll be great. Can't wait. The lesson doesn't really take until it bites you in the ass. Then it's too late. Some of us are old enough to remember that..... But we are not prepared to deal with another Obama and a democrat senate term. We haven't had time to build any wealth. Taxmageddon is going to fucking rape my wife and I. 4% hike (IIRC) on income, plus our dividend income is going to almost triple, and our investments are going to have the shit taxed out of them. I don't know if Romney is going to fix any of this but I sure as hell know that Obama is not. If you cause Obama to win.... Well you are an asshole. Maybe the "RIGHT' Voters should wake the helll up from the past and realize when 3rd party goes all out that the Right never wins, meaning START PUTTING YOUR VOTES FOR 3rd Party or you guys are screwed! Common sense and this crap works both ways. |
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Members of AR15.com support a man who in 2004 stated "I don’t believe that we have to have assault weapons [such as AR15's] as part of our personal arsenal.” Please leave common sense and history out of this otherwise fine logic of supporting the enemy. |
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I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson. If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. My boss (who is convinced I'm a liberal because I agree with him on Gay Marriage, the War on Drugs, Abortion, and our shitty Foreign Policy - I've never bothered to correct him on the other, more important shit), is adamantly convinced that my vote for Johnson is handing the election to Romney. Funny, that. But we're going to count all the Johnson votes for Romney, yeah? So, you'd rather Romney win over Obama in the end but you aren't willing to change your vote tpo hopefully make that happen in light of this? 
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I imagine that it depends on why they want Johnson. If they're voting Johnson because they favor his proposed cuts to the military, his intention to end the war in Afghanistan, and his stance on legalized marijuana, then I imagine that they would lean towards Obama. If they're voting for him because they like his idea of a balanced budget, then I imagine that they would lean towards Romney, although I suspect that those people are already voting for Romney. If they're voting for him because they love freedom, the constitution, and want smaller government, then I imagine that they would simply sit the election out. My boss (who is convinced I'm a liberal because I agree with him on Gay Marriage, the War on Drugs, Abortion, and our shitty Foreign Policy - I've never bothered to correct him on the other, more important shit), is adamantly convinced that my vote for Johnson is handing the election to Romney. Funny, that. But we're going to count all the Johnson votes for Romney, yeah? That's why this whole thing is so silly to me. If you have an issue or a group of issues that are important to you and Romney is vastly different on these issues than Obama, great, then pick the candidate that supports your issue(s). However, on certain key issues that are important to other people, there is no meaningful difference between the two candidates. Therefor, saying that Obama thanks them for their vote (or Romney in your case, subnet) is ridiculous, since on the issues that are important to them it doesn't matter which of the two candidates gets into office. At least that's my opinion. I'm very pro-life, so I'm afraid that I can't in good conscience vote for Johnson. The other two certainly don't align with my beliefs, so I intend to sit this one out. As I'm in Texas, I don't imagine that too many people will care. There's a giant load of bullshit. |
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Most of you guys were too young to remember the hoopla about Ross Perot. He gave Clinton a second term. I bet he feels great about it too. And so do the voters who voted for him just to prove it's not a 2 party system. I'm prepared for a second term for this idiot. Maybe those third party voters would get a clue when we get an all-liberal SCOTUS and get gun laws like California nationwide, but somehow I doubt it. No open carry of an loaded/unloaded long arms or handguns. No possession outside the house. It'll be great. Can't wait. The lesson doesn't really take until it bites you in the ass. Then it's too late. I'm not convinced that that would be that much worse that what we have now. There's more to life than just guns. With over 4,000 federal crimes on the books and various state laws as well, we've already reached the point where the government can arrest pretty much anyone and then find a crime that they have committed after the fact. Given this current situation, do you really expect me to sit here and fear Obama/SCOTUS passing more laws? We may fast be approaching the point where more laws leads to more desensitization of those who are "law breakers." Holy fucking shit, really?
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Most of you guys were too young to remember the hoopla about Ross Perot. He gave Clinton a second term. I bet he feels great about it too. And so do the voters who voted for him just to prove it's not a 2 party system. I'm prepared for a second term for this idiot. Maybe those third party voters would get a clue when we get an all-liberal SCOTUS and get gun laws like California nationwide, but somehow I doubt it. No open carry of an loaded/unloaded long arms or handguns. No possession outside the house. It'll be great. Can't wait. The lesson doesn't really take until it bites you in the ass. Then it's too late. I voted for Perot. My mantra since then is simple: Never again. I was young and idealistic, at the time, but I do not feel about voting for Perot. I cannot be convinced to feel good about it, either. Is voting for Johnson the same thing? Maybe, maybe not. All I can say is I'm not going to do it. I'm not a big fan of Romney's, but he will get my vote. Ohio will likely decide the election and I'm more comfortable with a Romney win than a Obama win. |
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Members of AR15.com support a man who in 2004 stated "I don’t believe that we have to have assault weapons [such as AR15's] as part of our personal arsenal.” I never said I supported him. I merely said I'd vote for him. If he's dumb enough to go for another Federal AWB, he deserves the trouncing he'll get in 2016. There's no REAL evidence that even Obama would be able to get that done, during a second term. He would have to worry about re-election, but there's a LOT of Senators and representatives from BOTH parties who are worried about re-election. Many of them are gun-shy about anti-2nd legislation. If Obama can't get it done, how the hell would Romney? While I don't trust any of them, I trust them to be politicians and the vast majority of politicians spend a lot of time with one eye on the next election. Neither party will gain enough votes through bans to make up for what they will lose. |
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poll-shows-gary-johnson-is-unelectable-obama-stalking-horse Gravis Tis the same bogus poll as DUPE going on 18 pgs of cnn operation suppress GOP votes. Please ask for a lock OP. Thanks  |
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Quoted: http://newmexico.watchdog.org/16306/poll-shows-gary-johnson-at-10-6-in-ohio-is-that-for-real/ While most all other polling organizations have asked potential voters to choose among Obama, Romney and "other,” Gravis included Johnson in its survey of Ohio, which holds 18 Electoral College votes. Here were the results when Johnson’s name was included: 11. If the Presidential election was held today and the candidates were Democrat Barack Obama, Republican Mitt Romey, and Libertarian Gary Johnson, whom would you vote? Johnson 10.6% Obama 44.5% Other/Unsure 7.1% Romney 37.8% If the 10% had to pick between obungo and rmoney, which way would they go? Mostly for Romney in a two-way race: http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/segmenting-of-the-libertarian-vote-tea-partiers-civil-libertarians-and-libertarian-independents/ |