[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Why Libertarians Need To Vote Romney (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/24/2012 7:02:00 AM EDT
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/23/Why-Libertarians-Need-To-Vote-Romney-Part-II
More than 3100 people have commented on Tuesday’s Big Government post “Time for Ron Paul Fans to Support the Constitution.” Many agreed with my thesis that libertarians should support Mitt Romney to avoid a second Obama term, but many did not. The huge response is an indicator of how the looming specter of another four years of Obama has focused minds in the libertarian community.
I hope this isnt a dupe, part 1 was up here a few days ago and here is part 2. It makes alot of sense, and this is coming from a guy who voted for Dr Paul in the primary. |
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I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. |
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Quoted: I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. SARCASM... Good for you. Make us all proud. |
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if you look at it with some smarts you know that this is only going to be a romney/obama election noone else is even remotely close to being able to win.. voting for anyone else is like throwing away your vote.. you have to consider who is the lesser of two evils on the election, romney or obama.. they are to mainstream to be beaten by any other candidate
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So 2 votes for Gary Johnson... I mean Obama?? These people amaze me, almost as much as the 0bama spawn. I certainly see why would you say that. But if zero gets reelected the tables will be tipped in the favor or the parasitic leaches who vote for a living and they will never vote against their handouts. In 4 more years of Obama we may look back and say "Why didnt we vote for Romney? Obama has destroyed the economy and the middle class with massive "fairness" taxes, taken away freedoms, and run the rich people who build businesses out of the country." This is a critical vote. Every vote that is not for Romney is a vote for Obama. |
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I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. |
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Scare tactics, scare tactics. Nothing will convince me to vote for Romney just as nothing could ever convince me to vote for Obama. No but you will take away from Romney which helps Obama. Can't believe you people still argue this. A vote for Gary Johnson is precisely that, a vote for Gary Johnson. I can't believe you people still argue this. |
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I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. Last I checked the PEOPLE voted for Romney in the primaries over the other candidates. |
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IMO, most of the rational libertarians will vote Romney if it matters, and will vote 3rd party in states that are not close. TXL This.... Obama is +15% in the polls taken in my state (CA). So, Gary Johnson it is. As much as I hate to say it, if the state was a toss up, I would probably have to hold my nose and pull the lever for Rmoney. |
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Scare tactics, scare tactics. Nothing will convince me to vote for Romney just as nothing could ever convince me to vote for Obama. No but you will take away from Romney which helps Obama. Can't believe you people still argue this. A vote for Gary Johnson is precisely that, a vote for Gary Johnson. I can't believe you people still argue this. This. What makes you so sure that I would have voted for Romney if not Johnson? Or that I would have even voted at all? A vote for Johnson is a vote for Johnson. I will only cast my vote for a candidate in whom I support. I don't support Rombama. |
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voting 3rd party in a first-past-the-post system Rewarding behavior that hurts you is intensely stupid however, trying to bring in a big part of your party by basically saying hurrrr ur dumb, stop believing in principles........ good luck with that, GOP  FIFY. My vote is the only tool I have to affect the behavior of my government. I know there's virtually no chance of my candidate getting elected, but I'm hoping that both parties lose a good number of votes and start looking at what they can do to get them back. There's no reason why we have to only have two parties. It's not in the country's interest to grant anyone the kind of political power that comes with running things on that basis. |
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I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. If enough people feel as you do, we won't need to worry about the GOP bending us over the table. Jane |
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Scare tactics, scare tactics. Nothing will convince me to vote for Romney just as nothing could ever convince me to vote for Obama. No but you will take away from Romney which helps Obama. Can't believe you people still argue this. A vote for Gary Johnson is precisely that, a vote for Gary Johnson. I can't believe you people still argue this. They'll be along shortly with either derogatory "you stupid paulbot" comments or long posts about outcomes and blah blah blah based on the false assumption your vote takes away a vote for Romney. They don't understand Romney was never going to get your vote in the first place. |
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Quoted: Wow economy down the toilet World is on fire And the RINO's pick a candidate that is so fucking bad they are running fucking scared of the 2% Johnson will get. Bravo RINO's Bravo Going with this. The only way the GOP could have done worse would have been to nominate Olympia Snowe. |
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voting 3rd party in a first-past-the-post system Rewarding behavior that hurts you is intensely stupid however, trying to bring in a big part of your party by basically saying hurrrr ur dumb, stop believing in principles........ good luck with that, GOP FIFY. My vote is the only tool I have to affect the behavior of my government. I know there's virtually no chance of my candidate getting elected, but I'm hoping that both parties lose a good number of votes and start looking at what they can do to get them back. There's no reason why we have to only have two parties. It's not in the country's interest to grant anyone the kind of political power that comes with running things on that basis. yeah no that's all bullshit if you REALLY want representative government, in the sense of candidates that share your beliefs, parliamentary is the way to go failing that, your chance to get "your guy" in is during the primaries the actual election, vote or don't, but it's a waste if it's not on the two main guys |
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So 2 votes for Gary Johnson... I mean Obama?? These people amaze me, almost as much as the 0bama spawn. I certainly see why would you say that. But if zero gets reelected the tables will be tipped in the favor or the parasitic leaches who vote for a living and they will never vote against their handouts. In 4 more years of Obama we may look back and say "Why didnt we vote for Romney? Obama has destroyed the economy and the middle class with massive "fairness" taxes, taken away freedoms, and run the rich people who build businesses out of the country." This is a critical vote. Every vote that is not for Romney is a vote for Obama. Because he's not going to do anything substantively different from Obama, so why not vote for someone who would actually fix the problems we face. |
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voting 3rd party in a first-past-the-post system Rewarding behavior that hurts you is intensely stupid however, trying to bring in a big part of your party by basically saying hurrrr ur dumb, stop believing in principles........ good luck with that, GOP FIFY. My vote is the only tool I have to affect the behavior of my government. I know there's virtually no chance of my candidate getting elected, but I'm hoping that both parties lose a good number of votes and start looking at what they can do to get them back. There's no reason why we have to only have two parties. It's not in the country's interest to grant anyone the kind of political power that comes with running things on that basis. When you leave the party, you've completely cut all ties to how the party comes to it's decisions. You've lost your voice, and therefore cannot affect the final decision that the party comes to (on any matter, but especially the ones that matter most to you). When you stay in the party and feel like your voice isn't being heard, at least you have a means to make it louder. Become involved with the party locally, and work on showing others why your ideas are better/can help. If you show 5 people in the party, your voice has been amplified 5 times. What you're doing is taking the ball away from the playground because the other kids don't want to play the same game, and hoping that they decide your ball/game sounds better down the line and they come looking for you. Good luck with that, but I'll stick to making sure my voice can be heard as loud as possible to steer the party in the direction that I want it to go. That's how change is accomplished, not by taking your voice and leaving. |
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Wow economy down the toilet World is on fire And the RINO's pick a candidate that is so fucking bad they are running fucking scared of the 2% Johnson will get. Bravo RINO's Bravo He's not gonna win, but I wouldn't be surprised to see him do surprisingly well. Lots of people are tired of the old two sides of the same ugly face parties. |
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I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. Odd. I thought Romney won the nomition of the GOP via voting. Never knew the GOP appointed candidates. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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voting 3rd party in a first-past-the-post system Rewarding behavior that hurts you is intensely stupid however, trying to bring in a big part of your party by basically saying hurrrr ur dumb, stop believing in principles........ good luck with that, GOP FIFY. My vote is the only tool I have to affect the behavior of my government. I know there's virtually no chance of my candidate getting elected, but I'm hoping that both parties lose a good number of votes and start looking at what they can do to get them back. There's no reason why we have to only have two parties. It's not in the country's interest to grant anyone the kind of political power that comes with running things on that basis. When you leave the party, you've completely cut all ties to how the party comes to it's decisions. You've lost your voice, and therefore cannot affect the final decision that the party comes to (on any matter, but especially the ones that matter most to you). When you stay in the party and feel like your voice isn't being heard, at least you have a means to make it louder. Become involved with the party locally, and work on showing others why your ideas are better/can help. If you show 5 people in the party, your voice has been amplified 5 times. What you're doing is taking the ball away from the playground because the other kids don't want to play the same game, and hoping that they decide your ball/game sounds better down the line and they come looking for you. Good luck with that, but I'll stick to making sure my voice can be heard as loud as possible to steer the party in the direction that I want it to go. That's how change is accomplished, not by taking your voice and leaving. Not true. I'm moving my ball to a playground that isn't full of cryptosocialists, theocrats and authoritarians. It's a smaller playground, but more people are coming in every day. 
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I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. Odd. I thought Romney won the nomition of the GOP via voting. Never knew the GOP appointed candidates. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile If you watched the shenanigans over the Ron Paul Delegates, you might think differently. |
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voting 3rd party in a first-past-the-post system Rewarding behavior that hurts you is intensely stupid however, trying to bring in a big part of your party by basically saying hurrrr ur dumb, stop believing in principles........ good luck with that, GOP FIFY. My vote is the only tool I have to affect the behavior of my government. I know there's virtually no chance of my candidate getting elected, but I'm hoping that both parties lose a good number of votes and start looking at what they can do to get them back. There's no reason why we have to only have two parties. It's not in the country's interest to grant anyone the kind of political power that comes with running things on that basis. When you leave the party, you've completely cut all ties to how the party comes to it's decisions. You've lost your voice, and therefore cannot affect the final decision that the party comes to (on any matter, but especially the ones that matter most to you). When you stay in the party and feel like your voice isn't being heard, at least you have a means to make it louder. Become involved with the party locally, and work on showing others why your ideas are better/can help. If you show 5 people in the party, your voice has been amplified 5 times. What you're doing is taking the ball away from the playground because the other kids don't want to play the same game, and hoping that they decide your ball/game sounds better down the line and they come looking for you. Good luck with that, but I'll stick to making sure my voice can be heard as loud as possible to steer the party in the direction that I want it to go. That's how change is accomplished, not by taking your voice and leaving. Not true. I'm moving my ball to a playground that isn't full of cryptosocialists, theocrats and authoritarians. It's a smaller playground, but more people are coming in every day. I was under the impression most libertarians on ARFCOM left and went back to their mom's basement to play with balls.
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IMO, most of the rational libertarians will vote Romney if it matters, and will vote 3rd party in states that are not close. TXL That's how I look at it. I don't think Oregon is even going to be close to swinging, so I might as well waste my vote on the candidate of my choosing. |
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voting 3rd party in a first-past-the-post system Rewarding behavior that hurts you is intensely stupid however, trying to bring in a big part of your party by basically saying hurrrr ur dumb, stop believing in principles........ good luck with that, GOP FIFY. My vote is the only tool I have to affect the behavior of my government. I know there's virtually no chance of my candidate getting elected, but I'm hoping that both parties lose a good number of votes and start looking at what they can do to get them back. There's no reason why we have to only have two parties. It's not in the country's interest to grant anyone the kind of political power that comes with running things on that basis. When you leave the party, you've completely cut all ties to how the party comes to it's decisions. You've lost your voice, and therefore cannot affect the final decision that the party comes to (on any matter, but especially the ones that matter most to you). When you stay in the party and feel like your voice isn't being heard, at least you have a means to make it louder. Become involved with the party locally, and work on showing others why your ideas are better/can help. If you show 5 people in the party, your voice has been amplified 5 times. What you're doing is taking the ball away from the playground because the other kids don't want to play the same game, and hoping that they decide your ball/game sounds better down the line and they come looking for you. Good luck with that, but I'll stick to making sure my voice can be heard as loud as possible to steer the party in the direction that I want it to go. That's how change is accomplished, not by taking your voice and leaving. The voices of conservative libertarians, meaning libertarian minded folks who WOULD vote GOP for a conservative candidate, has been very loud for a very long time. Until the GOP selects their candidates, conservative pundits and radio hosts like Hannity, Levin, Limbaugh, and a host of others, tell their listeners things that sound 99% like what libertarians and conservatives WANT, yet as soon as a candidate emerges from the primaries, all of that goes out the window, and a good look at the candidate reveals he isn't even close to the descriptions of "what we need" talked about in the 4 years between elections. GOP, the party perpetual disappointment. All my life. |
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Quoted: I'm a realistic libertarian that understands this race is between two men and my ideal candidate will never be on the ticket. I will vote Romney without hesitation. I really liked what I heard out of Johnson at the one or two debates he was allowed to participate in. In a perfect world, a vote for him would count for something. In this world, I am voting for Romney because he isn't Obama. Lesser of two lessers, imho. |
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Scare tactics, scare tactics. Nothing will convince me to vote for Romney just as nothing could ever convince me to vote for Obama. No but you will take away from Romney which helps Obama. Can't believe you people still argue this. A vote for Gary Johnson is precisely that, a vote for Gary Johnson. I can't believe you people still argue this. Whatever helps you sleep at night. |
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I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. Odd. I thought Romney won the nomition of the GOP via voting. Never knew the GOP appointed candidates. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I think it has something to do with the Bilderbergs, The Illuminti, and some Cheney earthquake machine. Not sure how they all tie in with each other. I just know that your vote no longer counts. At least that's the gist I get from some of the people on here. ETA For good measure I'm throwing in the, I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens, guy. For a scheme this grand to work there has got to be aliens involved, just has to be. |
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I will not reward the GOP for shitting the bed and nominating someone as bad as Zero. Not when there's a candidate I agree with out there. They might still bend us over the table, but I'll be goddamned and dipped in shit before I vote in favor of it. Odd. I thought Romney won the nomition of the GOP via voting. Never knew the GOP appointed candidates. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile If you watched the shenanigans over the Ron Paul Delegates, you might think differently. Remind me again how many states Ron Paul won. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
