Posted: 9/21/2012 6:22:23 PM EDT
My dad says if all the illegals would just go home, Americans would have those jobs and the economy would recover.
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No, it's not quite that simple. The fact that many illegals WILL work for less than minimum wage does make a difference. If all illegals were to suddenly vanish, there would be a lot of jobs that would go unfilled because there would be a shortage of people who would be willing to work for the same wages earned by the illegals. So there would be a labor shortage, or the cost of those services would have to go up to cover the higher wages that people would demand before they'd do those jobs. I DO wish all the illegals would just vanish, but it would not be without consequences to some people. As for me, I mow my own damned lawn. |
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They should have started regulating mexican immigration from the begining. Letting in a good amount on work visa's. If they stay
Clean and productive, let them stay. Instead they opened the flood gates to all and everyone. Now its a hostile take over and the damn just broke. |
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My dad says if all the illegals would just go home, Americans would have those jobs and the economy would recover. No. A very large portion of Americans have become very lazy, and just don't give a fuck. A lot of industry and manufacturing is dead for a variety of reasons, mainly taxes and cheaper labor in other countries. Government intervention has ruined what the American Dream used to be about. Welfare and government programs are the biggest harm to this country right now. Illegal immigrants, while a very large and very real problem, aren't the root of the damage to the economy. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I'm just not sure about that. Around here, the Mexican workers are pretty darn good at their trades, work hard, and do it for a fair price. I'd like to keep them. How many illegal messicans are in Germany?? I don't know but they have my respect. Crossing the Rio Grande ain't jack shit compared to crossing the Atlantic. |
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Many of the jobs illegals get in America are illegal jobs. The wages are often illegally low and the working conditions are often illegally dangerous. Many (perhaps most?) Americans would refuse to do such work for such pay.
I feel sorry for the majority of illegal aliens in Central Kalifornia. Farm labor is not fun, the working and living conditions suck, the pay is low, if they complain they can be fired, or the boss can call INS to get rid of the troublemaker, or the complaining worker can have an "accident". The only thing that makes this work for them is that economic conditions in Mexico and points south are even worse. IMHO, what is needed is a guest worker program that can lead to citizenship. The problem is that the employers don't want that, anything that regularizes the status of illegals would allow illegals to use The System against abusive employers. The current situation is an unstated compromise in which the law is broken, employers get cheap labor without having to follow the labor laws, Latin America gets a safety valve that allows disenchanted people to leave for now and send lots of money back home, and American consumers get cheap(er) food. |
| Long term it would benefit the CITIZENS, short term it would injure the economy. Businesses who use illegals, school systems propped up by a large number of illegals, basically any system that relies on illegals would have to adjust. It would be a case of it would get worse before it gets better. |
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It sure would help. Do you really want tweakers on your roof? Laying a couple of squares of shingles? No, it woudln't be that simple. I wish it were, but it ain't. EDIT: It'll never be "THAT EASY." However, take away some of the welfare, tighten the border, and do SOMETHING about the War on Drugs, and maybe getting a new roof won't be all that bid a deal. Oh, and FUCK minimum wage. Work for what you're worth. |
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It sure would help. Do you really want tweakers on your roof? Laying a couple of squares of shingles? No, it woudln't be that simple. I wish it were, but it ain't. EDIT: It'll never be "THAT EASY." However, take away some of the welfare, tighten the border, and do SOMETHING about the War on Drugs, and maybe getting a new roof won't be all that bid a deal. Oh, and FUCK minimum wage. Work for what you're worth. Read what I said. I said it would help. Not that it would solve all of our problems. IMHO, illegals cause a lot more harm (in all forms - social, criminal, fiscal, etc) than good. Some are good hard workers, and others are shitbags. There would be tangible repercussions as many above have mentioned, but we would figure it out. Personally, my immigration reform would be this: 1. Deport all illegals found. Continue until done. 2. Fine businesses that use illegals knowingly 3. Secure the border - gates, fences, walls, machine guns, National Guard, whatever it takes 4. Set up a guest worker program so that foreign nationals could apply to work in the US a. Every applicant would get an ID and an ID number b. Every applicant would be fingerprinted, photographed and submit DNA, all to be tied to their ID number c. Databases of skills and other information would be kept so that employers could search for the best guest workers to fit their needs d. Misdemeanor convictions get guest workers deported and barred from working in the US for 3 years e. Felony convictions get guest workers barred from entering the US permanently. Deportation after sentences served. Capital punishment for capital crimes. f. Guest workers would not be allowed to bring their families, and any child born in the US to guest workers would not have US citizenship unless one of the parents is a citizen That way we can get pretty much all of them out, then allow the good ones in under pretty tight supervision. The above is an outline, not hard and fast exactly the way legislation would be. |
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Fine Seize businesses that use illegals knowingly.
If a company has made it a habit of using illegals, not a few slipping through, then they need to be OUT of business. Quoted:
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It sure would help. Do you really want tweakers on your roof? Laying a couple of squares of shingles? No, it woudln't be that simple. I wish it were, but it ain't. EDIT: It'll never be "THAT EASY." However, take away some of the welfare, tighten the border, and do SOMETHING about the War on Drugs, and maybe getting a new roof won't be all that bid a deal. Oh, and FUCK minimum wage. Work for what you're worth. Read what I said. I said it would help. Not that it would solve all of our problems. IMHO, illegals cause a lot more harm (in all forms - social, criminal, fiscal, etc) than good. Some are good hard workers, and others are shitbags. There would be tangible repercussions as many above have mentioned, but we would figure it out. Personally, my immigration reform would be this: 1. Deport all illegals found. Continue until done. 2. Fine businesses that use illegals knowingly 3. Secure the border - gates, fences, walls, machine guns, National Guard, whatever it takes 4. Set up a guest worker program so that foreign nationals could apply to work in the US a. Every applicant would get an ID and an ID number b. Every applicant would be fingerprinted, photographed and submit DNA, all to be tied to their ID number c. Databases of skills and other information would be kept so that employers could search for the best guest workers to fit their needs d. Misdemeanor convictions get guest workers deported and barred from working in the US for 3 years e. Felony convictions get guest workers barred from entering the US permanently. Deportation after sentences served. Capital punishment for capital crimes. f. Guest workers would not be allowed to bring their families, and any child born in the US to guest workers would not have US citizenship unless one of the parents is a citizen That way we can get pretty much all of them out, then allow the good ones in under pretty tight supervision. The above is an outline, not hard and fast exactly the way legislation would be. |
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It sure would help. Do you really want tweakers on your roof? Laying a couple of squares of shingles? No, it woudln't be that simple. I wish it were, but it ain't. EDIT: It'll never be "THAT EASY." However, take away some of the welfare, tighten the border, and do SOMETHING about the War on Drugs, and maybe getting a new roof won't be all that bid a deal. Oh, and FUCK minimum wage. Work for what you're worth. Read what I said. I said it would help. Not that it would solve all of our problems. IMHO, illegals cause a lot more harm (in all forms - social, criminal, fiscal, etc) than good. Some are good hard workers, and others are shitbags. There would be tangible repercussions as many above have mentioned, but we would figure it out. Personally, my immigration reform would be this: 1. Deport all illegals found. Continue until done. 2. Fine businesses that use illegals knowingly 3. Secure the border - gates, fences, walls, machine guns, National Guard, whatever it takes 4. Set up a guest worker program so that foreign nationals could apply to work in the US a. Every applicant would get an ID and an ID number b. Every applicant would be fingerprinted, photographed and submit DNA, all to be tied to their ID number c. Databases of skills and other information would be kept so that employers could search for the best guest workers to fit their needs d. Misdemeanor convictions get guest workers deported and barred from working in the US for 3 years e. Felony convictions get guest workers barred from entering the US permanently. Deportation after sentences served. Capital punishment for capital crimes. f. Guest workers would not be allowed to bring their families, and any child born in the US to guest workers would not have US citizenship unless one of the parents is a citizen That way we can get pretty much all of them out, then allow the good ones in under pretty tight supervision. The above is an outline, not hard and fast exactly the way legislation would be. I pretty much agreed with ya. It's gettin rid of the welfare and the illegals and minimum wage at the same time that won't be easy. |