[ARCHIVED THREAD] - WIC Program----what say ye? (Page 1 of 6)
Posted: 9/9/2012 1:44:24 PM EDT
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Well I have twins on the way....the wife mentioned something about seeing if we qualify for WIC. What is everyones opinion on WIC? I don't want to seem like some needy gimme person or that the Gov't owes me something. I make good money at my current job, but hey every little bit help especially with twins on the way.
Is it something that I should look into using, is it beneficial, anyone used this program? Would this be looked down upon, or looked upon as being a leech on the system? |
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If you make good money, and can support your wife and twins, you shouldn't use WIC.
If you are struggling with bills and finding it hard to give your family proper care, use it until you no longer need it. I doubt anyone here would begrudge you for asking for assistance if you truly need it. They will if you use it to subsidize a standard of living. |
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Quoted: This. Almost identical story here.If you truly need it, use it. If not, don't. Seems pretty simple. With my first child, we used it because without it, we would have been in dire straits, even with both of us working. With our last, we were in a better place, and didn't need to use it. ETA: I also quit drinking beer, and chewing copenhagen at the time. |
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Of all the food assistance programs, this is the one I'm willing to go along with. Limited only to certain limited nutritious foods, but it has been polluted by lobbyists to be sure. One brand of OJ may be acceptable, but another isn't. I've actually watched moms at the checkout try to SAVE some WIC money by buying a cheaper store brand only to have to go buy a major brand instead.
If you need it, use it. If yoou do not need it and use it anyway, you completely forfeit and right to any tax or assistance thread, IMO, because you will be just as bad as any other hypocrite. You know the correct answer. |
| used it when the ex had my first little girl. when she was prego it was eggs cheese milk peanut butter things like that. then when baby came we got formula. it was a life saver when it came to formula. Now im doing much better and wife breast feeds and i am doing much better so didn't even think of it this time. |
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MY opinion: if you cannot care and feed for your children you should not be having them. WIC is not free money, it is taken from someone else. A man with integrity would not accept it. Hes paid more into it than hell ever get back out.... Besides, sometimes kids just happen. a real man will do anything to make sure he provides for his family, even if thats something like govt assistance |
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WIC Income Eligibility Guidelines
(Effective from July 1, 2012 to June 30, 2013) 48 Contiguous States, D.C., Guam and Territories Persons in Family or Household Size Annual Monthly Twice-Monthly Bi-Weekly Weekly 1 $20,665 $1,723 $862 $795 $398 2 27,991 2,333 1,167 1,077 539 3 35,317 2,944 1,472 1,359 680 4 42,643 3,554 1,777 1,641 821 5 49,969 4,165 2,083 1,922 961 6 57,295 4,775 2,388 2,204 1,102 7 64,621 5,386 2,693 2,486 1,243 8 71,947 5,996 2,998 2,768 1,384 Each Add'l Member Add +$7,326 +611 +306 +282 +141 |
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Quoted: Quoted: MY opinion: if you cannot care and feed for your children you should not be having them. WIC is not free money, it is taken from someone else. A man with integrity would not accept it. Hes paid more into it than hell ever get back out.... Besides, sometimes kids just happen. Not really. The money he paid in has already been paid out to others. |
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No, WIC is one of the good programs. Requires monthly health checkups with a nurse in order to continue on the program and gives nutritional and other helpful guidelines to parents, especially those with a newborn. I support WIC. It's a program by the government done right.
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Quoted: I don't really care if you avail yourself of it or not (it's there right now, whether you use it or not), but know that I would abolish the program in it's entirety, were I able to. Subnet, you can't buy junk food. It's pretty much formula, milk, cereals and grains, peanut butter and bread. It's a GREAT program and abolishing it would lead to more strain on our healthcare providers. WIC should be supported more than any other program because it WORKS. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I don't really care if you avail yourself of it or not (it's there right now, whether you use it or not), but know that I would abolish the program in it's entirety, were I able to. Subnet, you can't buy junk food. It's pretty much formula, milk, cereals and grains, peanut butter and bread. It's a GREAT program and abolishing it would lead to more strain on our healthcare providers. WIC should be supported more than any other program because it WORKS. I understand all of that, but it's not something government has any right to administer. That it doesn't suck as much as other government programs, makes it less unethical, but unethical just the same. I understand that it's cost is a drop in the bucket in the grand scheme of things, but it's still taken from me by force against my will, and given to a very small group of people. I'm against in on principle, sorry.
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WIC is the one program im ok with. Children shouldn't have to suffer because their parents cant provide for them, what ever the reason may be. I do know that there are members here who would just rather kids starve because maybe they should work too.  Nonsense. There are many members here who understand that we know where babies come from and that there are ways not to have babies until you ate ready to take care of them. My children are much, much younger than the children of parents my same age because we made the choice not to have them before we were in a position to take care of them ourselves. |
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MY opinion: if you cannot care and feed for your children you should not be having them. WIC is not free money, it is taken from someone else. A man with integrity would not accept it. Hes paid more into it than hell ever get back out.... Besides, sometimes kids just happen. a real man will do anything to make sure he provides for his family, even if thats something like govt assistance And if he didn't have to pay into it, he'd be more able to take care of his own. See how that works? |
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My first visceral reaction is "if you can't feed them, don't breed them", but I'm sure you and your spouse never expected to have twins. When my daughter was born money was pretty tight-not sure how we could have managed financially with two.
Given a choice, I'd much rather see my tax dollars go to a hardworking family like yours than see it going to multi-generational welfare rats who are using the safety net as a hammock. Just the fact that you're asking about it rather than feeling it is owed to you tells me everything I need to know. If you qualify for it and have a legitimate need, then use it. Congratulations and good luck with your little ones  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I lived for several years in a neighborhood full of the underclass (this is not racist code, I mean blacks and whites both who depended heavily or solely on gov't assistance). What an eye-opener.
I am sure there are people on WIC who genuinely need it (that is, they don't buy non-essentials and work as much as they can but still can't afford milk and food for their kids). But I never met any. That said, I don't know enough about your situation to express an opinion on whether or not you should apply for WIC. |
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Quoted: MY opinion: if you cannot care and feed for your children you should not be having them. WIC is not free money, it is taken from someone else. A man with integrity would not accept it. Pretty much this, unless you TRULY need it, you shouldn't take it. And those that do take it should feel ashamed that they are unable to provide for their families. Do I sound like a dick? You bet. But when the shame went away from being on assistance, more people started accepting and abusing it. Anyone physically capable of working (and I mean you are deaf, blind, or missing body parts) should feel ashamed of sucking the government tit. If you're not providing for your family you are not working hard enough. |
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No problem helping baby's get a good start in life. Mathew 25:40 - “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ How about spending much less money to help folks that can't afford a kid keep from getting pregnant in the first place? You OK with providing birth control to people? Brian |
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No problem helping baby's get a good start in life. Mathew 25:40 - “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ I'd love to give to those who truly need it. Doesn't happen that way though. |
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No problem helping baby's get a good start in life. Mathew 25:40 - “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ I do believe in that. I've given a lot of food to needy families. What CHrist did not say was authorizing the state to take from one person to give to another. |
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Quoted: No problem helping baby's get a good start in life. Mathew 25:40 - "The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ That's mighty nice of him. Does it count if what I gave was taken from me by force, even as I protested loudly? Charity is awesome. Stealing isn't. EDIT: Exodus 20:15 - Thou shall not steal. |
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That said, I don't know enough about your situation to express an opinion on whether or not you should apply for WIC. The fact that he has a membership on Arfcom and, presumably, owns one or more EBRs along with other firearms is all I need to know. But isn't that a fairly big presumption? I'm not trying to provoke an argument, but unless the OP has stated elsewhere what he has we don't know. Back when my wife was pregnant I lost my job, which shitcanned our health insurance. I sold most of my gun and camera collection to pay for prenatal care. Then I took a second job to pay for the delivery, and to replace my wife's lost income. There were complications during her last trimester that led to some hellishly expensive medical bills. I couldn't let them down, so I liquidated my assets and worked two jobs. No idea what we would have qualified for, if anything, but you do what you have to do to provide for your family. For me, changing careers and getting into IT was a direct result of financial hardship. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I see nothing morally wrong with taking WIC as long as you demand it be abolished. We are all being robbed, and when something is stolen from you you have every right to get it back if you can.
That said, I still look down on it personally. 99.99999% of WIC recipients (and every single one I have met IRL) do NOT advocate for its abolishment and instead demand even more. They find any way to justify its use and expansion. THAT is immoral. Theft is wrong, period. Demanding others steal to give to others is wrong and immoral. Whether or not you accept WIC, advocating for its existence is as immoral as advocating for total wealth confiscation and redistribution. |
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I see nothing morally wrong with taking WIC as long as you demand it be abolished. Taking advantage of welfare then whinging about it's existence strikes me as extremely hypocritical, myself. Tell you what. I'll come steal $1000 from you. Then, I'll put $500 of it in my mailbox and send you a message saying it is there if you want it. I'm sure you won't be a hypocrite, right? |