[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Nothing wrong with 9mm (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/8/2012 4:18:05 PM EDT
I stumbled on this guy's videos the other day. At first I thought he was just another boob, but I was wrong.
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With all due respect to the gentleman, going cyclic on a steel target up close doesn't really prove anything.
Referring to the abundant information about terminal ballistics gathered from real gunfights, on the other hand, is pretty strong evidence. He's got a pretty nice range setup, though. |
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I trust a 9mm, with all the +p+ loads out there, 9mm is a viable round for defense for what a pistol should be reasonably expected to do. also the 9mm price vs .40 and .45 make it easier to train with. just my opinion. Why do you feel +p+ is necessary? ETA: andrasik beat me to it. |
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9mm is so weak and ineffective, stand out about 20 yards and let me shoot you in the chest with one. 
How about I shoot you in the bare chest with a .25? Would you carry a .25 for self defense? Probably not, but I bet you wouldnt let me shoot you with it either. Stupid argument is stupid. |
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Quoted: Quoted: 9mm is so weak and ineffective, stand out about 20 yards and let me shoot you in the chest with one. How about I shoot you in the bare chest with a .25? Would you carry a .25 for self defense? Probably not, but I bet you wouldnt let me shoot you with it either. Stupid argument is stupid. Agreed. |
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never EXPECT a bullet to properly expand 
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I recently got on the 9mm bandwagon. Fast handling, accurate, and higher capacities. I feel confident enough in my abilities with 9mm that shot placement will negate the need for a larger caliber. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. I just left the. 40 train for a 9mm.. |
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I recently got on the 9mm bandwagon. Fast handling, accurate, and higher capacities. I feel confident enough in my abilities with 9mm that shot placement will negate the need for a larger caliber. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. I just left the. 40 train for a 9mm.. I can afford to practice with 9mm. .40 isn't real bad but .357 Sig, and .45 are too expensive now to practice with. Id rather be damngood with a fighting knife than clumsy with a machete. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Ahhh, but will it stop a charging African Lion before he digs his claws into you? ________________________________________________________ ("You think a .38 will stop him? Heh, it will just piss him off."––Mick, (w,stte), "Crocodile Dundee III") Well, 45 acp can barely stop a charging wild hog. 
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never EXPECT a bullet to properly expand Exactly! So unexpanded 9 gets about 80% of the diameter of a 45, expanded it gets 90%, along with the higher mag capacity, lower recoil and faster follow ups. And since the 147 gr 9mm loads have a higher sectional density than the 230 gr 45's we can expect the all-important penetration to be deeper with 9.
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9mm is so weak and ineffective, stand out about 20 yards and let me shoot you in the chest with one.
How about I shoot you in the bare chest with a .25? Would you carry a .25 for self defense? Probably not, but I bet you wouldnt let me shoot you with it either. Stupid argument is stupid. Perfect rebuttal is perfect
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never EXPECT a bullet to properly expand Certainly. But the good thing is, there are 19 more where the first one came from... |
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never EXPECT a bullet to properly expand Certainly. But the good thing is, there are 19 more where the first one came from... ..34 here. I've got a Sterling that happens to have some spare 147gr Ranger T loaded right now
Dumb, but whatever. |
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With all due respect to the gentleman, going cyclic on a steel target up close doesn't really prove anything. Referring to the abundant information about terminal ballistics gathered from real gunfights, on the other hand, is pretty strong evidence. He's got a pretty nice range setup, though. Ummm Yes it does. It shows you that with reduced recoil you can put ~15 rounds in someone quickly and accurately. Editing out the part that looks condescending after re-read. |
| I started with a 45 but switched to a 9mm about a year ago. I don't regret it at all but I love the 9mm and feel it does what it needs to perfectly. I am not knocking the 45 at all, I like the round, but cost wise I love the 9mm and feel more than comfortable that my G19 won't fail me. |
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I trust a 9mm, with all the +p+ loads out there, 9mm is a viable round for defense for what a pistol should be reasonably expected to do. also the 9mm price vs .40 and .45 make it easier to train with. just my opinion. THIS!!!!! I fire my 9mm more then any other (not including rimfire) just based on price of ammo. |
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Federal 147 grain HST all the way!!! 
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9mm is so weak and ineffective, stand out about 20 yards and let me shoot you in the chest with one.
How about I shoot you in the bare chest with a .25? Would you carry a .25 for self defense? Probably not, but I bet you wouldnt let me shoot you with it either. Stupid argument is stupid. Sure 
Hell I would carry a .22 if thats all I had, stupid arguement is stupid. Let me shoot you with a .25 and then with a 9mm, bet you can't tell the difference, if your not rattling by now. stupid arguement is stupid for fuck sake 
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With all due respect to the gentleman, going cyclic on a steel target up close doesn't really prove anything. Referring to the abundant information about terminal ballistics gathered from real gunfights, on the other hand, is pretty strong evidence. He's got a pretty nice range setup, though. Ummm Yes it does. It shows you that with reduced recoil you can put ~15 rounds in someone quickly and accurately. Editing out the part that looks condescending after re-read. Doesnt need to be reduced recoil to do what he did |
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never EXPECT a bullet to properly expand Certainly. But the good thing is, there are 19 more where the first one came from... ..34 here. I've got a Sterling that happens to have some spare 147gr Ranger T loaded right now
Dumb, but whatever. I know a dude who keeps a full auto S&W M-76 as a "home defense" gun. Dumb? I don't want to be the poor SOB that breaks into HIS house! |
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With all due respect to the gentleman, going cyclic on a steel target up close doesn't really prove anything. Referring to the abundant information about terminal ballistics gathered from real gunfights, on the other hand, is pretty strong evidence. He's got a pretty nice range setup, though. Ummm Yes it does. It shows you that with reduced recoil you can put ~15 rounds in someone quickly and accurately. Editing out the part that looks condescending after re-read. Especially when, like the guy in the vid, you reload light loads. He wouldn't be able to do that with 147gr +p's |
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I trust a 9mm, with all the +p+ loads out there, 9mm is a viable round for defense for what a pistol should be reasonably expected to do. also the 9mm price vs .40 and .45 make it easier to train with. just my opinion. Why do you feel you need a +P+ 9mm? I don't use them, but a 9mm +P load is suppose to develop 10% more pressure than a standard load. I'm not sure what real world gains you are going to see in a defensive situation, but they are certainly harder on your firearm. |
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Nice range...and I believe he has a woman that's a pretty good shot too A woman that is super fine.  yes indeed, we need to see more of her..  http://youtu.be/AwR9di_admEOh my, thanks |
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never EXPECT a bullet to properly expand Nope. But 8 rounds of .45 has less surface area than 15 rounds of . 355. |
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never EXPECT a bullet to properly expand Nope. But 8 rounds of .45 has less surface area than 15 rounds of . 355. And never expect to have the opportunity to fire all of those rounds. The first one might be the only one you get, so make sure it is a good one. |