[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Obama’s Continuing Jewish Problem (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 8/8/2012 7:20:28 PM EDT
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When Democratic National Committee Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz proclaimed Obama’s support for Israel in a Pennsylvania synagogue, she was visibly shocked by the loud and vocal dissent from the audience. Unlike the sanitized pro-Obama Jewish events in Florida, where Jews who opposed him were prevented from entering, the Pennsylvania event was open to all.
Wasserman Schultz apparently so believes her own rhetoric and has been so insulated from the political change sweeping the Jewish community that for a few moments she seemed sufficiently shaken to be unable to continue her speech. One group that has had its pulse on the political leanings of the Jewish community is the Republican Jewish Coalition. Playing on the theme of buyer’s remorse — Jews who voted for Obama but will not again — the RJC has been running ads and videos with Jews who supported Obama in 2008 and are vocal about their intent not to do so now. Advertisement The Jewish Democrats will quickly point out that no one expects the majority of the Jewish community to vote for Mitt Romney. But they fail to see that this election will, by all current indications, be close. A predicted near twenty-percent shift in the Jewish vote in critical states like Florida and Ohio can devastate Obama’s electoral vote count. It is no accident that while Mitt Romney was on his way to Israel, Obama signed a security agreement giving Israel preferential access to American arms and munitions. Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak was quick to note how supportive the Obama administration was of Israel, and liberal Jews immediately seized on that as if it were something other than the expected response of a small country dependent for its military hardware on a large country. http://pjmedia.com/blog/obamas-continuing-jewish-problem/?singlepage=true |
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Quoted: The pro-Israel crowd knows damn well his administration has not been supportive and in fact has even acted contrary to the State of Israel. Problem is that most American Jews don't really place Israel as a top priority. I'd hope that American Jews' top priority is America rather than Israel... |
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Obama and the Democrats bend over for Israel just as much as the Republicans. We haven't missed sending our yearly welfare checks and Israel is still the only foreign nation who can directly bid against U.S. companies for government contracts. Boo hoo Obama, you only voted every year to send $4+ billion dollars in DIRECT aid to that shitty little communist country. The hand wringing is getting old. |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. If based solely upon the ass-kissing posture of Obama while visiting heads of States in that region that would just as soon see us dead, having some love from Israel suddenly looks attractive. And if one simply cannot see the impact such has in states like Florida - then I simply cannot evoke nor employ enough reason to elucidate. |
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The pro-Israel crowd knows damn well his administration has not been supportive and in fact has even acted contrary to the State of Israel. Problem is that most American Jews don't really place Israel as a top priority. I'd hope that American Jews' top priority is America rather than Israel... No shit. What the hell is that supposed to mean? |
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The pro-Israel crowd knows damn well his administration has not been supportive and in fact has even acted contrary to the State of Israel. Problem is that most American Jews don't really place Israel as a top priority. I think it is a bigger issue with end -times Christians than it is with your average reform Jew |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. If based solely upon the ass-kissing posture of Obama while visiting heads of States in that region that would just as soon see us dead, having some love from Israel suddenly looks attractive. And if one simply cannot see the impact such has in states like Florida - then I simply cannot evoke nor employ enough reason to elucidate. I don't care what a country in the Middle East who treats us like an ATM for military tech, cash and intelligence... then sells our shit to our actual enemies, has to say about our politics. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. If based solely upon the ass-kissing posture of Obama while visiting heads of States in that region that would just as soon see us dead, having some love from Israel suddenly looks attractive. And if one simply cannot see the impact such has in states like Florida - then I simply cannot evoke nor employ enough reason to elucidate. I don't care what a country in the Middle East who treats us like an ATM for military tech, cash and intelligence... then sells our shit to our actual enemies, has to say about our politics. Personally, I don't care what ANY foreign country has to say about our politics. That's not to say that we shouldn't treat old friends like the UK, South Korea, etc. well, but ultimately America's first priority should be America. |
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We give more aid to Israel's enemies than we do to them... Source? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid U mad, bro? |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. If based solely upon the ass-kissing posture of Obama while visiting heads of States in that region that would just as soon see us dead, having some love from Israel suddenly looks attractive. And if one simply cannot see the impact such has in states like Florida - then I simply cannot evoke nor employ enough reason to elucidate. I don't care what a country in the Middle East who treats us like an ATM for military tech, cash and intelligence... then sells our shit to our actual enemies, has to say about our politics. Personally, I don't care what ANY foreign country has to say about our politics. That's not to say that we shouldn't treat old friends like the UK, South Korea, etc. well, but ultimately America's first priority should be America. Absolutely, and considering how we treat our actual allies (like Georgie  ) I'm not sure why anyone would want to be our friends in the first place.
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. An ally in a strategic area of the world is kind of important. Invest in a map. Uh huh, I suppose you count on Turkey? Oh, maybe you think Saudi Arabia is dependable. How about Iraq? Maybe the little UAE or Kuwait? Can we count on Egypt now for security of shipping through the canal? |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. An ally in a strategic area of the world is kind of important. Invest in a map. Uh huh, I suppose you count on Turkey? Oh, maybe you think Saudi Arabia is dependable. How about Iraq? Maybe the little UAE or Kuwait? Can we count on Egypt now for security of shipping through the canal? What do we count on Israel for? What have their contributions been? |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. An allie in a strategic area of the world is kind of important. I'm sorry, which country in that region is our ally again? Look up "Major Non-NATO Ally" If you're giving me tons of bank/tech I'll absolutely say you're my friend. Real friends don't aid the enemies of their allies. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We give more aid to Israel's enemies than we do to them... Source? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid U mad, bro? The only way your statement is true is if you consider Afghanistan or Pakistan "Israel's enemy" or COMBINE the aid given to numerous countries. Surely Afghanistan and Pakistan aren't friendly to Israel, but since they're thousands of miles away they're not exactly threats either... Besides, Pakistan's best buddies with Israel's old pal, Communist China. |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. If based solely upon the ass-kissing posture of Obama while visiting heads of States in that region that would just as soon see us dead, having some love from Israel suddenly looks attractive. And if one simply cannot see the impact such has in states like Florida - then I simply cannot evoke nor employ enough reason to elucidate. I don't care what a country in the Middle East who treats us like an ATM for military tech, cash and intelligence... then sells our shit to our actual enemies, has to say about our politics. Hence the unwittingly prescient second sentence in my post. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. An ally in a strategic area of the world is kind of important. Invest in a map. Ok, Tell me why the Eastern Med is not a strategic area? Are we afraid that the evil Muslims will establish a base on the Med? Israel is not "strategic" for anything, there is nothing special about their location since the advent of modern transportation. |
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We give more aid to Israel's enemies than we do to them... Source? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid U mad, bro? The only way your statement is true is if you consider Afghanistan or Pakistan "Israel's enemy" or COMBINE the aid given to numerous countries. Surely Afghanistan and Pakistan aren't friendly to Israel, but since they're thousands of miles away they're not exactly threats either... Besides, Pakistan's best buddies with Israel's old pal, Communist China. Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistani Nuclear Scientist and without him Iran wouldn't be half as close as it is to developing nuclear weapons that directly threaten Israel's existence. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. An ally in a strategic area of the world is kind of important. Invest in a map. Ok, Tell me why the Eastern Med is not a strategic area? Are we afraid that the evil Muslims will establish a base on the Med? Israel is not "strategic" for anything, there is nothing special about their location since the advent of modern transportation. Oil? |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. If based solely upon the ass-kissing posture of Obama while visiting heads of States in that region that would just as soon see us dead, having some love from Israel suddenly looks attractive. And if one simply cannot see the impact such has in states like Florida - then I simply cannot evoke nor employ enough reason to elucidate. I don't care what a country in the Middle East who treats us like an ATM for military tech, cash and intelligence... then sells our shit to our actual enemies, has to say about our politics. Hence the unwittingly prescient second sentence in my post. The second sentence of your nonsensically verbose two sentence reply? The one that talks about Florida and has nothing to do with anything anyone has said? Yea, usually I disregard things that are irrelevant. |
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Abdul Qadeer Khan, Pakistani Nuclear Scientist and without him Iran wouldn't be half as close as it is to developing nuclear weapons that directly threaten Israel's existence. Oh no... the country who sold our nuclear secrets to our enemies has an enemy of their own through stolen secrets. Someone notify the Irony Police! |
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Support of allies in key areas of the world are in the best interests of the USA. Military conflict between the west and the east pre-dates 1948. Netanyahu is big friend of the US and Britain What does he do for us? Give us a proxy to fight anti-western nations with. For example, when Israel took out Iraq's nuclear weapons facilities and Syria's. |
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Support of allies in key areas of the world are in the best interests of the USA. Military conflict between the west and the east pre-dates 1948. Netanyahu is big friend of the US and Britain What does he do for us? Do we use Israeli bases and ports? I dunno. They do kill terrorists. I like that. And they took out facilities in Syria. |
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We give more aid to Israel's enemies than we do to them... Source? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid U mad, bro? The only way your statement is true is if you consider Afghanistan or Pakistan "Israel's enemy" or COMBINE the aid given to numerous countries. Surely Afghanistan and Pakistan aren't friendly to Israel, but since they're thousands of miles away they're not exactly threats either... Besides, Pakistan's best buddies with Israel's old pal, Communist China. Nuclear weapons with ballistic platforms that reach their country and an extremely shaky government. |
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Support of allies in key areas of the world are in the best interests of the USA. Military conflict between the west and the east pre-dates 1948. Netanyahu is big friend of the US and Britain What does he do for us? Do we use Israeli bases and ports? I dunno. They do kill terrorists. I like that. They also keep AWR stocks there for us. |
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We can use Israel to keep in check the middle east without having to do it ourselves and maintain a working relationship with various oil rich nations in the meantime.
It's a good cop/bad cop thing where Israel plays the bad cop and we get to play the good cop. In the end we get what we want. |
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We can use Israel to keep in check the middle east without having to do it ourselves and maintain a working relationship with various oil rich nations in the meantime. It's a good cop/bad cop thing where Israel plays the bad cop and we get to play the good cop. In the end we get what we want. Then what the fuck has our military been doing the last 10 years? |
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We give more aid to Israel's enemies than we do to them... Source? Whatever he provides as a source won't account for the value of intelligence (both that we give them, and what they steal,) not to mention the technology aspect. You're aware that it's actually their technology (drones ) that we bought from them right? Yes, many American Jews will vote for Obama, but far fewer than last time. Elections now come down to less than 2% deciding winners and losers. The fact that many American Jews are no longer concerned about stating their R support in a Jewish gathering is pretty significant. Ms. schultz was shocked for a reason. Her expectation was not that she might face an opposing viewpoint, but that it was not possible at all, at such a gathering, to face opposition. BTW, most American Jews put the USA number 1 and Israel number 2, and everyone else somewhere further down the totem pole. Most care deeply about how we treat Israel and they vote with their wallets. Oh and to be clear, it's not one of those dictates from Rome sort of thing. Wealthy American Jews also heavily influence policy on the Israeli government. |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. If based solely upon the ass-kissing posture of Obama while visiting heads of States in that region that would just as soon see us dead, having some love from Israel suddenly looks attractive. And if one simply cannot see the impact such has in states like Florida - then I simply cannot evoke nor employ enough reason to elucidate. I don't care what a country in the Middle East who treats us like an ATM for military tech, cash and intelligence... then sells our shit to our actual enemies, has to say about our politics. Hence the unwittingly prescient second sentence in my post. The second sentence of your nonsensically verbose two sentence reply? The one that talks about Florida and has nothing to do with anything anyone has said? Yea, usually I disregard things that are irrelevant. And yet, you continue to reinforce my point. Have a fine evening. |
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I'm not sure why I should care what Israel thinks of my president. If based solely upon the ass-kissing posture of Obama while visiting heads of States in that region that would just as soon see us dead, having some love from Israel suddenly looks attractive. And if one simply cannot see the impact such has in states like Florida - then I simply cannot evoke nor employ enough reason to elucidate. I don't care what a country in the Middle East who treats us like an ATM for military tech, cash and intelligence... then sells our shit to our actual enemies, has to say about our politics. Hence the unwittingly prescient second sentence in my post. The second sentence of your nonsensically verbose two sentence reply? The one that talks about Florida and has nothing to do with anything anyone has said? Yea, usually I disregard things that are irrelevant. And yet, you continue to reinforce my point. Have a fine evening. Well, since you had no point that was remotely related to anything I said... ok? |
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Support of allies in key areas of the world are in the best interests of the USA. Military conflict between the west and the east pre-dates 1948. Netanyahu is big friend of the US and Britain What does he do for us? Give us a proxy to fight anti-western nations with. For example, when Israel took out Iraq's nuclear weapons facilities and Syria's. They didn't need, or use our support on either attack. |
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Quoted: Quoted: We can use Israel to keep in check the middle east without having to do it ourselves and maintain a working relationship with various oil rich nations in the meantime. It's a good cop/bad cop thing where Israel plays the bad cop and we get to play the good cop. In the end we get what we want. Then what the fuck has our military been doing the last 10 years? I don't know, but I'm really thankful for our wonderful ally's help in Iraq and Afghanistan. Thanks Romania! And Latvia! And Poland! etc. etc. etc. etc. Thanks anyway Israel. You can help next time I guess maybe. Like you helped out in all those other wars we've been involved in since 1948. I'm really thankful for our allies that are willing to put their men in harms way to support us. |