[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Armor Plate Discussion (Page 1 of 5)
Posted: 5/29/2012 12:30:58 AM EDT
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Just ordered two 10" x 12" plates for $129 shipped.
Here's the plate: http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29778el If you use coupon code AR10, you get 10% off too. I know it's steel plates, but for $129 shipped, figured why not? |
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not listed on his site yet, but if you call him, tell him you are interested in the 75 dollar set of body plates:
www.thetargetman.com |
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Quoted: not listed on his site yet, but if you call him, tell him you are interested in the 75 dollar set of body plates: www.thetargetman.com I appreciate sir. |
That's a complete rip-off of www.AR500Armor.com , only unfinished & rusted...
Bad business ethics imo, stealing others design. It seems to be the trend with him. http://www.arizonafirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?1447-Howdy! |
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That's a complete rip-off of www.AR500Armor.com , only unfinished & rusted...
Bad business ethics imo, stealing others design. It seems to be the trend with him. [rl=http://www.arizonafirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?1447-Howdy!]http://www.arizonafirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?1447-Howdy![/url] Im stepping out of this potential shitstorm. Just pointing out a cheaper source to the o.p. i have NO relation whatsoever to the fellow i linked to and will make it very clear that i am a cheap ass and look for, and haggle the best deal i can get. |
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That's a complete rip-off of www.AR500Armor.com , only unfinished & rusted...
Bad business ethics imo, stealing others design. It seems to be the trend with him. http://www.arizonafirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?1447-Howdy! No dog in the fight, but, to be fair, that ar500 armour website makes some clearly bullshit claims. |
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i stated i wasn't going to reply, but this seems odd:
http://slickguns.com/product/10-ar10-ar500-level-iii-body-armor-pair-10x12-trauma-plates-free-hat-117 submitted by the same user name as the user in this thread that "insulted" another vendor? and he questions "ethics"? maybe i am confused, but i thought we supported capitalism here....... eta, again, no dog in this fight, but i am all about getting the best bang for the buck. i have inquired to both sellers about the same items that i would like to get and their prices are competitive on certain items. i have NOT yet purchased anything from either. |
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I'm hesitant to fuel this, but want the point to get across.
No insults just fact on what's going on. Ripping off others designs is frowned on and bad ethics, maybe it's just me with this opinion? Competition is healthy for the market and ends with a better product for the consumer. BUT, ripping off a design? Better products should stem from improvements on a design, not an exact replica with an attempt to ride off others marketing by looking the same and claiming to go through the same tests. The decision is up to the consumer once they have as much information as possible. |
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Quoted: Quoted: That's a complete rip-off of www.AR500Armor.com , only unfinished & rusted...Bad business ethics imo, stealing others design. It seems to be the trend with him. http://www.arizonafirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?1447-Howdy! No dog in the fight, but, to be fair, that ar500 armour website makes some clearly bullshit claims. I didn't read it yet, but like what? |
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Quoted: I'm hesitant to fuel this, but want the point to get across. No insults just fact on what's going on. Ripping off others designs is frowned on and bad ethics, maybe it's just me with this opinion? Competition is healthy for the market and ends with a better product for the consumer. BUT, ripping off a design? Better products should stem from improvements on a design, not an exact replica with an attempt to ride off others marketing by looking the same and claiming to go through the same tests. The decision is up to the consumer once they have as much information as possible. Who are you affiliated with? |
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I'm hesitant to fuel this, but want the point to get across. No insults just fact on what's going on. Ripping off others designs is frowned on and bad ethics, maybe it's just me with this opinion? Competition is healthy for the market and ends with a better product for the consumer. BUT, ripping off a design? Better products should stem from improvements on a design, not an exact replica with an attempt to ride off others marketing by looking the same and claiming to go through the same tests. The decision is up to the consumer once they have as much information as possible. ok, once more, i will reply with no intent on fueling any fire, BUT, you have posted this same crap on arizonashooting also. if you have something personal against this fellow targetman, then keep it to yourself, but if you have a legally protected design, then provide proof of such documents and there will be the end of story, because, "unpainted and rusted" is weak. why are you so concerned about this fellow in a different city than you anyway? seems to me there are way more shooters in comparison to tucson. |
| "design"? If that's the case they both ripped off the original body armor shape and concept from point blank. this would be like intrafuse guys claiming rights to any doohickey that goes on your gun. Hell I had the idea of cutting AR500 to fit the vest before I saw either of these....hardly a novel and ingenious idea, and and besides, if it was, this is why we have copywright/trademark laws. use them. |
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I'm hesitant to fuel this, but want the point to get across. No insults just fact on what's going on. Ripping off others designs is frowned on and bad ethics, maybe it's just me with this opinion? Competition is healthy for the market and ends with a better product for the consumer. BUT, ripping off a design? Better products should stem from improvements on a design, not an exact replica with an attempt to ride off others marketing by looking the same and claiming to go through the same tests. The decision is up to the consumer once they have as much information as possible. Who are you affiliated with? this site maybe: http://slickguns.com/product/10-ar10-ar500-level-iii-body-armor-pair-10x12-trauma-plates-free-hat-117 |
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That's a complete rip-off of www.AR500Armor.com , only unfinished & rusted...
Bad business ethics imo, stealing others design. It seems to be the trend with him. http://www.arizonafirearmsforum.com/showthread.php?1447-Howdy! Join DATE Post Count Shit Storm Yup, check 'em all off |
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I'm hesitant to fuel this, but want the point to get across. No insults just fact on what's going on. Ripping off others designs is frowned on and bad ethics, maybe it's just me with this opinion? Competition is healthy for the market and ends with a better product for the consumer. BUT, ripping off a design? Better products should stem from improvements on a design, not an exact replica with an attempt to ride off others marketing by looking the same and claiming to go through the same tests. The decision is up to the consumer once they have as much information as possible. Uhhhh... how many different shapes are there he can realistically cut? Is that what we're fussing about? 500 Brinell steel is 500 Brinell steel, right? Are we getting butthurt because the cut shape is similar? Am I missing something here? |
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Nope, you pretty much hit it dead on, is it really that hard to make your own shape? !  , I didn't think it was...Do you have any idea how many different companies, in different fields, produce products that have the same 'shape'? has this turned into a thread about someone complaining about not having the monopoly on the market or having competition that forces lower prices to the consumer, because i'll tell you, for me, it's about the total cost out of MY pocket that will decide between two identical products between two vendors if all else is equal. |
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Instead of some elaborate product counterfeiting scheme, I think it's much more likely the guy is just looking for a way to pay for his new plasma table. It looks like he does 4x4 stuff. He probably saw targets and thought, hey I can make those! And he's willing to sell them much cheaper. So maybe they were overpriced to begin with. Either way, it's not like the guy is using child labor, government subsidies, and intentionally using inferior steel. I'm kind of surprised at the abuse he's taken. He sounds more like an advanced hobbyist than anything else. Great way to liven up the morning, though.  |
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they both are since they both make the "flipper targets" based on these domain creation dates and the shape is the exact same as offered by www.jumpingtargets.com
jumpingtargets.com domain creation date: 04aug11 thetargetman.com creation date: 30mar12 ar500armor.com creation date: 14may12 |
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Do we know they are identical? Friend, if you want to go about this the right way, disclose your role as a direct competitor of the business in question and explicitly detail what proprietary component of your design he supposedly copied. Stop being vague and cute with insinuations. Trauma plates in that general shape are common. What makes yours unique? |
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Quoted: Do we know they are identical? are you now, or have you ever been, affiliated with any of the businesses mentioned in this thread in any way shape or form. Your comment on the other forum about what "we have to deal with" and your pitch on that good deal site give me that impression. doesn't look like there is any physical address or telephone number for that vendor in the first post.
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Just ordered two 10" x 12" plates for $129 shipped. Here's the plate: http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29778el If you use coupon code AR10, you get 10% off too. I know it's steel plates, but for $129 shipped, figured why not? i got a set of those last week. just as advertised. they are NOT unfinished or rusted. they have a powder coat or epoxy coating on them and look nice. for the price they are hard to beat. |
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Quoted: The guy shilling for ar500armor is saying that targetman is the unfinished/rusted placeQuoted: Just ordered two 10" x 12" plates for $129 shipped. Here's the plate: http://www.ar500armor.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=29778el If you use coupon code AR10, you get 10% off too. I know it's steel plates, but for $129 shipped, figured why not? i got a set of those last week. just as advertised. they are NOT unfinished or rusted. they have a powder coat or epoxy coating on them and look nice. for the price they are hard to beat. |
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they both are since they both make the "flipper targets" based on these domain creation dates and the shape is the exact same as offered by www.jumpingtargets.com ar500armor.com creation date: 14may12 I didn't know they sold flippers, I don't see them on the site. Bird - I'm a friend, and I have a set of plates I’m happy with. I find it unethical to blatantly copy a design. I used slick guns for its intended purpose, posting deals. |
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Quoted: So the design they copied is what, a body armor plate? What is unique about such a design? Also where is this ar500 armor place located and who is it? His website provide no info, he only takes paypal and the site appears to be registered anonymously.Quoted: they both are since they both make the "flipper targets" based on these domain creation dates and the shape is the exact same as offered by www.jumpingtargets.com ar500armor.com creation date: 14may12 I didn't know they sold flippers, I don't see them on the site. Bird - I'm a friend, and I have a set of plates I’m happy with. I find it unethical to blatantly copy a design. I used slick guns for its intended purpose, posting deals. They sound like a good deal and only a pound or so heavier than ceramic but no address, no credit card etc makes me nervous. I wouldn't want to get poked again like that Beast Rifle Gong guy got me years ago.
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So the design they copied is what, a body armor plate? What is unique about such a design? Also where is this ar500 armor place located and who is it? His website provide no info, he only takes paypal and the site appears to be registered anonymously.Quoted:
they both are since they both make the "flipper targets" based on these domain creation dates and the shape is the exact same as offered by www.jumpingtargets.com ar500armor.com creation date: 14may12 I didn't know they sold flippers, I don't see them on the site. Bird - I'm a friend, and I have a set of plates I’m happy with. I find it unethical to blatantly copy a design. I used slick guns for its intended purpose, posting deals. They sound like a good deal and only a pound or so heavier than ceramic but no address, no credit card etc makes me nervous. I wouldn't want to get poked again like that Beast Rifle Gong guy got me years ago.
I'm not here representing them as a portal for contact. The site is relatively new though as stated above. I'd recommend shooting an e-mail for contact info if that's what you’re looking for. Most new sites start off taking paypal before diving into a merchant account contract, etc. My concern is a business that copy's others designs. Again my opinion I think it's wrong and wanted to share, per the response to the OP's post. I'm simply providing information that I know for those looking to make a well informed buying decision.
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So the design they copied is what, a body armor plate? What is unique about such a design? Also where is this ar500 armor place located and who is it? His website provide no info, he only takes paypal and the site appears to be registered anonymously.Quoted:
they both are since they both make the "flipper targets" based on these domain creation dates and the shape is the exact same as offered by www.jumpingtargets.com ar500armor.com creation date: 14may12 I didn't know they sold flippers, I don't see them on the site. Bird - I'm a friend, and I have a set of plates I’m happy with. I find it unethical to blatantly copy a design. I used slick guns for its intended purpose, posting deals. They sound like a good deal and only a pound or so heavier than ceramic but no address, no credit card etc makes me nervous. I wouldn't want to get poked again like that Beast Rifle Gong guy got me years ago.
I'm not here representing them as a portal for contact. The site is relatively new though as stated above. I'd recommend shooting an e-mail for contact info if that's what you’re looking for. Most new sites start off taking paypal before diving into a merchant account contract, etc. My concern is a business that copy's others designs. Again my opinion I think it's wrong and wanted to share, per the response to the OP's post. I'm simply providing information that I know for those looking to make a well informed buying decision.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So the design they copied is what, a body armor plate? What is unique about such a design? Also where is this ar500 armor place located and who is it? His website provide no info, he only takes paypal and the site appears to be registered anonymously.Quoted: they both are since they both make the "flipper targets" based on these domain creation dates and the shape is the exact same as offered by www.jumpingtargets.com ar500armor.com creation date: 14may12 I didn't know they sold flippers, I don't see them on the site. Bird - I'm a friend, and I have a set of plates I’m happy with. I find it unethical to blatantly copy a design. I used slick guns for its intended purpose, posting deals. They sound like a good deal and only a pound or so heavier than ceramic but no address, no credit card etc makes me nervous. I wouldn't want to get poked again like that Beast Rifle Gong guy got me years ago. I'm not here representing them as a portal for contact. The site is relatively new though as stated above. I'd recommend shooting an e-mail for contact info if that's what you’re looking for. Most new sites start off taking paypal before diving into a merchant account contract, etc. My concern is a business that copy's others designs. Again my opinion I think it's wrong and wanted to share, per the response to the OP's post. I'm simply providing information that I know for those looking to make a well informed buying decision.Okay, I doubt any of us care* and I don't think your posts are actually helping your buddy, but it's a free country, mostly. *if you could really show there was something obvious and unique about your buddy's plates that the other guy obviously ripped off, that might effect who I would buy from, but your claims are kind of vague and stealing a plate design sounds sort of like stealing a shovel design, I am skeptical that they are that unique. Honestly my guess is that most people won't care and will buy whatever is cheapest. |
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not listed on his site yet, but if you call him, tell him you are interested in the 75 dollar set of body plates: Link deleted EdSr I bought a couple of his targets off of ebay. Holding up well (7mm rem mag is the biggest we've hit it with so far). Now I know his website. Weird his silhouette target isn't on the website. |
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So the design they copied is what, a body armor plate? What is unique about such a design? Also where is this ar500 armor place located and who is it? His website provide no info, he only takes paypal and the site appears to be registered anonymously.Quoted:
they both are since they both make the "flipper targets" based on these domain creation dates and the shape is the exact same as offered by www.jumpingtargets.com ar500armor.com creation date: 14may12 I didn't know they sold flippers, I don't see them on the site. Bird - I'm a friend, and I have a set of plates I’m happy with. I find it unethical to blatantly copy a design. I used slick guns for its intended purpose, posting deals. They sound like a good deal and only a pound or so heavier than ceramic but no address, no credit card etc makes me nervous. I wouldn't want to get poked again like that Beast Rifle Gong guy got me years ago.
can't tell you anything other than the 2 i orderd from ebay got here in about 48hrs and are just as described. yea the whole "copying" thing is pure stupidity. |
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So the design they copied is what, a body armor plate? What is unique about such a design? Also where is this ar500 armor place located and who is it? His website provide no info, he only takes paypal and the site appears to be registered anonymously.Quoted:
they both are since they both make the "flipper targets" based on these domain creation dates and the shape is the exact same as offered by www.jumpingtargets.com ar500armor.com creation date: 14may12 I didn't know they sold flippers, I don't see them on the site. Bird - I'm a friend, and I have a set of plates I’m happy with. I find it unethical to blatantly copy a design. I used slick guns for its intended purpose, posting deals. They sound like a good deal and only a pound or so heavier than ceramic but no address, no credit card etc makes me nervous. I wouldn't want to get poked again like that Beast Rifle Gong guy got me years ago.
can't tell you anything other than the 2 i orderd from ebay got here in about 48hrs and are just as described. yea the whole "copying" thing is pure stupidity. Can you shoot at yours first so "we" know you didn't get a bad set.
and post pics? k thanx bye 
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