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1/31/2012 10:41:59 AM EDT
I'm going to show my ignorance here, but I wanted to ask a few questions regarding digging a pond.



First off, the area is about 1.5-2 acres, and I want to dig it myself.



How difficult is this? I already know the area retains water, and it is the lowest point anywhere nearby, so it will get LOTS of runoff. The spot has 3" of water sitting in it year round.



What tools do I need? I'm expecting to need a D20 or maybe a larger dozer, but is that all I need?



I expect to use the dirt to build up the dam, but mostly digging down, not building up.




1/31/2012 10:43:10 AM EDT
[#1]
You can push a lot of dirt with a D6.

First thing I'd get would be a land survey done by the USGS.
1/31/2012 10:44:00 AM EDT
[#2]
Digging the hole is easy, building the keyway is the tough part.
1/31/2012 10:45:55 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:

First thing I'd get would be a land survey done by the USGS.


Why the USGS?  
1/31/2012 10:46:02 AM EDT
[#4]
The most difficult obstacle is having "permission" from the man to build it.  Good luck, I know quite a few people around me who have tried, but failed miserably.  I do know of one pond that was build with a similar size dozer as the D20, but bigger would be better. I'll see if I can find pictures...
1/31/2012 10:46:39 AM EDT
[#5]



Quoted:


The most difficult obstacle is having "permission" from the man to build it.  Good luck, I know quite a few people around me who have tried, but failed miserably.


I don't have the 'man' issue.



How did they fail?



 
1/31/2012 10:48:54 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:

Quoted:
The most difficult obstacle is having "permission" from the man to build it.  Good luck, I know quite a few people around me who have tried, but failed miserably.

I don't have the 'man' issue.

How did they fail?
 


By being denied the permit.    There are "wet lands areas" all over, and conservation departments are anal about protecting them.
1/31/2012 10:49:17 AM EDT
[#7]
In before Naegleria Fowleri.
1/31/2012 10:49:39 AM EDT
[#8]
In some locales, there can be a fair amount of permit work needed (disturbing wetlands, etc.)

The hole is the easier part, making a  sound spillway and retention system is where it gets more involved.

Also, if it is wet now, it's going to be muddy as hell while you dig it.  

Then, you need to consider whether the pond will be what you expect-stagnant water is no fun.  Even if you have inflow, it may not really circulate things much.

It used to be that you could get the .gov to pay you to build one for fire control but that was several decades ago.

1/31/2012 10:51:11 AM EDT
[#9]
I looked at all my options...
doing it myself..hiring someone. getting help from the neighbor etc....


and

with the economy in the crapper,,It was cheaper and easy to find an earth digger with equipment to come and do it for me..


rental for 3 days and fuel for the dozer was going to be over $1000

got 100,000 gal pond put in for 1200.00
1/31/2012 10:52:06 AM EDT
[#10]
Quoted:

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The most difficult obstacle is having "permission" from the man to build it.  Good luck, I know quite a few people around me who have tried, but failed miserably.

I don't have the 'man' issue.

How did they fail?
 


You better make sure you don't have some regulatory hoops to jump through. Years ago, you could get away with it, but now is a different story. By creating a lake of that size, that is a lot of water that if the dam fails is going somewhere. If you impact an adjoining property owner, etc. you could be looking at a lot of legal trouble.

Doing it correctly so that it will last and not leak, etc. is not as easy as just pushing up dirt for a dam. I am in the business and I can't tell you how many people start out trying something like that and learn quickly they are in way over their heads. It then usually gets into a solution only your check book can save.

1/31/2012 10:53:20 AM EDT
[#11]



Quoted:


In some locales, there can be a fair amount of permit work needed (disturbing wetlands, etc.)



The hole is the easier part, making a  sound spillway and retention system is where it gets more involved.



Also, if it is wet now, it's going to be muddy as hell while you dig it.  



Then, you need to consider whether the pond will be what you expect-stagnant water is no fun.  Even if you have inflow, it may not really circulate things much.



It used to be that you could get the .gov to pay you to build one for fire control but that was several decades ago.



There is a very large creek running about 30 yards from the location, which makes a perfect place for overflow.



I'm 99% sure there is a spring under it. It hasn't rained in a week, and there is still water flowing off the area into the creek.
 
1/31/2012 10:54:34 AM EDT
[#12]
One thing to think about is the cost of renting a dozer vs hiring some guy with one to do it. The guy you hire is going to do the job much faster than you will be able to (unless you've operated heavy equipment before - I'm assuming you haven't). As you are just digging out, you're going to be spending some time leveling the dirt out around the area (you can't build up around the pond or no water will drain into it). Other things to think about - shape/depth of the pond. If you want to have fish in it, might want to leave one end shallow for the small fish to lurk in until they get bigger.






As far as the actual equipment, no idea - we hired a guy to do ours




P.S. You really do have consider a spillway - eventually just the water running downhill will carve a nice trench all the way back up and eventually thru the dam.




Having a few pics of the area might allow some others to chime in on the best way to go.

 
1/31/2012 10:54:42 AM EDT
[#13]



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The most difficult obstacle is having "permission" from the man to build it.  Good luck, I know quite a few people around me who have tried, but failed miserably.


I don't have the 'man' issue.



How did they fail?

 




You better make sure you don't have some regulatory hoops to jump through. Years ago, you could get away with it, but now is a different story. By creating a lake of that size, that is a lot of water that if the dam fails is going somewhere. If you impact an adjoining property owner, etc. you could be looking at a lot of legal trouble.



Doing it correctly so that it will last and not leak, etc. is not as easy as just pushing up dirt for a dam. I am in the business and I can't tell you how many people start out trying something like that and learn quickly they are in way over their heads. It then usually gets into a solution only your check book can save.





What does it cost for about a 2 acre pond?
 
1/31/2012 10:58:04 AM EDT
[#14]
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The guy you hire is going to do the job much faster than you will be able to (unless you've operated heavy equipment before - I'm assuming you haven't).

This is true, a good dozer-hand will run circles around John Doe.
1/31/2012 10:58:07 AM EDT
[#15]



Quoted:


One thing to think about is the cost of renting a dozer vs hiring some guy with one to do it. The guy you hire is going to do the job much faster than you will be able to (unless you've operated heavy equipment before - I'm assuming you haven't). As you are just digging out, you're going to be spending some time leveling the dirt out around the area (you can't build up around the pond or no water will drain into it). Other things to think about - shape/depth of the pond. If you want to have fish in it, might want to leave one end shallow for the small fish to lurk in until they get bigger.



As far as the actual equipment, no idea - we hired a guy to do ours


I have no experience with heavy equipment, but I was married to a heavy girl once.



The main purpose is for fishing.
 
1/31/2012 11:00:59 AM EDT
[#16]
I've seen a lot of home made ponds and the water quality is horrible.  They look like a silty, muddy, algae infested mess that breeds mosquitoes.

Finding a way to sustain good water quality would be my #1 concern.
1/31/2012 11:01:20 AM EDT
[#17]
Compaction of fill is CRITICAL.  As is how each lift (layer) is laid.  You need clay which isn't too sensitive, otherwise you will have piping issues if it dries out.



A bulldozer is used for clearing of trees etc.  The main tool for forming the basin and fill is a scraper.  Fill can be deposited in 6" lifts, followed by compaction with sheepsfoot with vibration.  This way, compaction planes are disrupted which could form piping planes.  



The spillway structure should be placed away from any fill embankment, heavily sodded with permanent grass.  If not practical, sufficient structure must be constructed to prevent erosion.  Size depends on watershed and rainfall rates.  



Do it right.  Failure of a dam in flooding conditions can open you to a lawsuit with an impoundment of this size.  
1/31/2012 11:01:31 AM EDT
[#18]
There is a video out there called "Great Small Waters" that will give you all the information you need for building a pond, stocking it, and maintaining.  The main focus of his pond design is for increasing the amount and size of fish that can live in it.  I have a copy of it.
1/31/2012 11:03:04 AM EDT
[#19]



Quoted:


Compaction of fill is CRITICAL.  As is how each lift (layer) is laid.  You need clay which isn't too sensitive, otherwise you will have piping issues if it dries out.



A bulldozer is used for clearing of trees etc.  The main tool for forming the basin and fill is a scraper.  Fill can be deposited in 6" lifts, followed by compaction with sheepsfoot with vibration.  This way, compaction planes are disrupted which could form piping planes.  



The spillway structure should be placed away from any fill embankment, heavily sodded with permanent grass.  If not practical, sufficient structure must be constructed to prevent erosion.  Size depends on watershed and rainfall rates.  



Do it right.  Failure of a dam in flooding conditions can open you to a lawsuit with an impoundment of this size.  



I need a pro.
 
1/31/2012 11:10:11 AM EDT
[#20]
You better make sure you don't have any permit issues, environmental ect. I know it sucks but if you dig without making sure, you could be in for a lot of hassle and $$. Messing around with creeks and flows "can" get you in trouble.



Far as construction, your overflow pipe and dam are the biggest deals. Your dam needs a good clay core so it won't leak. If you are using a overflow pipe, you need a concrete collar within the dam, again to prevent leaks.
1/31/2012 11:18:32 AM EDT
[#21]
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The most difficult obstacle is having "permission" from the man to build it.  Good luck, I know quite a few people around me who have tried, but failed miserably.

I don't have the 'man' issue.

How did they fail?
 


You better make sure you don't have some regulatory hoops to jump through. Years ago, you could get away with it, but now is a different story. By creating a lake of that size, that is a lot of water that if the dam fails is going somewhere. If you impact an adjoining property owner, etc. you could be looking at a lot of legal trouble.

Doing it correctly so that it will last and not leak, etc. is not as easy as just pushing up dirt for a dam. I am in the business and I can't tell you how many people start out trying something like that and learn quickly they are in way over their heads. It then usually gets into a solution only your check book can save.


What does it cost for about a 2 acre pond?


 



There is no way to give you a decent number.

That is like asking, what does a house cost??

Location, type of material, depth, size of dam, overflow pipe, etc. etc. will all dictate the costs.

I wold also just about bet that some type of permitting is required, to do it legally. As others have correctly pointed out, you could get into a very expensive mess very quickly.

1/31/2012 11:19:26 AM EDT
[#22]



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The most difficult obstacle is having "permission" from the man to build it.  Good luck, I know quite a few people around me who have tried, but failed miserably.


I don't have the 'man' issue.



How did they fail?

 




You better make sure you don't have some regulatory hoops to jump through. Years ago, you could get away with it, but now is a different story. By creating a lake of that size, that is a lot of water that if the dam fails is going somewhere. If you impact an adjoining property owner, etc. you could be looking at a lot of legal trouble.



Doing it correctly so that it will last and not leak, etc. is not as easy as just pushing up dirt for a dam. I am in the business and I can't tell you how many people start out trying something like that and learn quickly they are in way over their heads. It then usually gets into a solution only your check book can save.





What does it cost for about a 2 acre pond?





 






There is no way to give you a decent number.



That is like asking, what does a house cost??



Location, type of material, depth, size of dam, overflow pipe, etc. etc. will all dictate the costs.





Fair enough.



What is the average cost of a 2 acre pond.





 
1/31/2012 11:21:44 AM EDT
[#23]
Not near enough info. to give you one.

1/31/2012 11:22:56 AM EDT
[#24]



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Not near enough info. to give you one.





Ok, disregard.





 
1/31/2012 11:28:44 AM EDT
[#25]
Here some other factors you need to consider:

If water is sittting on it year round, there is a very good chance you will get a dozer stuck. Even a LGP dozer can only operate in so much muck.

If you are renting a dozer and doing it yourself, you may find it difficult to find someone to rent to you unless you have experience operating someone's $50K plus dozer. Also, you have to fuel, lube, maintain, etc. Due to insurance and the like, letting someone operate your equipment with little to no experience is a good way to either tear up the equipment or get someone killed, or both.

You will also need more than just a dozer, something to compact as well.

I would also bet since it is wet that a tracked excavator would be necessary as well.
1/31/2012 11:31:11 AM EDT
[#26]
This all sounds like a great way to get in over my head and end up with less than desirable results....



I'll see if I can find someone to do it for me.



How do you find someone who actually knows what they are doing?



I mean, there aren't many results for "pond digging" in the yellow pages.
1/31/2012 11:35:38 AM EDT
[#27]
Quoted:
This all sounds like a great way to get in over my head and end up with less than desirable results....

I'll see if I can find someone to do it for me.

How do you find someone who actually knows what they are doing?

I mean, there aren't many results for "pond digging" in the yellow pages.


Call several contractors and ask them, then ask for references. Call the references.

1/31/2012 11:35:50 AM EDT
[#28]
Quoted:


I need a pro.


 


Smartest thing anyone has said in this thread so far

1/31/2012 11:51:55 AM EDT
[#29]
Quoted:
This all sounds like a great way to get in over my head and end up with less than desirable results....

I'll see if I can find someone to do it for me.

How do you find someone who actually knows what they are doing?

I mean, there aren't many results for "pond digging" in the yellow pages.


Look for excavation or geotechnical services.


We are in the process of making some ponds, and have a little experience.  BUT! I am only a MechE that likes to get equipment stuck, I dont have any "real" geotech experience.

I would be careful and really look hard at the location. We are working off a couple of springs as well, and you would really want the water to flow into the pond instead of well up into it from a spring. So dont site your pond right on top of it.

Near a creek is cool, you can put your run off into it as that is probably where it goes right now.

As others have said, working in a wet area is more of a headache than you can ever realize until you try it.  We were able to divert water from one of our projects, and still had some issues getting equipment in and out. The bottom of the pond was decent rock, otherwise we would have had to drag equipment out instead of driving out.

All in all, it can be done, just plan well.

We used a variety of equipment, mainly becasue we had it.  A tracked loader has been helpful (Cat 941 in our case) for removing dirt and leveling stuff out. We made a lot of use of a tracked excavator (old Komatsu PC60) to dig most of the pond out, mainly becasue of the depth we were at (~6 feet on a small pond. Really steep banks).

To finish, we rented a Cat D3 for final smoothing and packing. Keith_J is right that compaction is really important, but sometimes renting a sheepsfoot is not possible. We used the dozer to walk down the dam and pack in the fill that we added on it. We have had some seepage frrom the areas we were not able to walk down, but the rest is fine.

Check with Thompson Cat on their rentals, we have had good experience with their stuff. You can move a lot of dirt in a day with a D3 or D4. They are a lot easier to get moved too.
1/31/2012 11:57:17 AM EDT
[#30]
Most civil engineering firms could give you some guidance on the construction and design part.

Making it a happy place for fish is probably outside their realm, generally.

I'd suggest talking to someone in your state fisheries dept. or equivalent to see what they say (or google it) with the key question being how to make it a fish pond rather than just a retention pond.

For the size you're talking, it might not be too different, but it's probably easier to do it right the first time.

The size you're talking about might have some issues WRT insurance and whatever since it sounds like it'll impound enough water to make a mess if it fails.

Be careful.  Because why?  Just because!
1/31/2012 12:21:11 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted:
This all sounds like a great way to get in over my head and end up with less than desirable results....

I'll see if I can find someone to do it for me.

How do you find someone who actually knows what they are doing?

I mean, there aren't many results for "pond digging" in the yellow pages.




In Mi., you would need a permit, especially since you have mentioned a small creek.


The dnr folks would be slathering at the opportunity to spot check your project.

Unless you are not visable from the road, I would not attempt.

Even if things work out, when they see silt in the creek a long ways downstrem, the will come to visit.
1/31/2012 12:24:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Quoted:
This all sounds like a great way to get in over my head and end up with less than desirable results....

I'll see if I can find someone to do it for me.

How do you find someone who actually knows what they are doing?

I mean, there aren't many results for "pond digging" in the yellow pages.


Most anyone in the "dirt" business, gravel, rock, etc, can point you to someone.  Ask around for who does a good job for a fair price though.  Easy to fall into a buddy buddy kinda deal.
1/31/2012 12:26:15 PM EDT
[#33]



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Quoted:

This all sounds like a great way to get in over my head and end up with less than desirable results....



I'll see if I can find someone to do it for me.



How do you find someone who actually knows what they are doing?



I mean, there aren't many results for "pond digging" in the yellow pages.

In Mi., you would need a permit, especially since you have mentioned a small creek.





The dnr folks would be slathering at the opportunity to spot check your project.



Unless you are not visable from the road, I would not attempt.



Even if things work out, when they see silt in the creek a long ways downstrem, the will come to visit.


Just got off the phone with a local guy, who knows exactly the spot I'm wanting to dig.



He's going out to take a look.



Where I am in AL, in BFE, we don't even have house codes.
 
1/31/2012 12:26:58 PM EDT
[#34]
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This all sounds like a great way to get in over my head and end up with less than desirable results....

I'll see if I can find someone to do it for me.

How do you find someone who actually knows what they are doing?

I mean, there aren't many results for "pond digging" in the yellow pages.




In Mi., you would need a permit, especially since you have mentioned a small creek.


The dnr folks would be slathering at the opportunity to spot check your project.

Unless you are not visable from the road, I would not attempt.

Even if things work out, when they see silt in the creek a long ways downstrem, the will come to visit.

Just got off the phone with a local guy, who knows exactly the spot I'm wanting to dig.

He's going out to take a look.

Where I am in AL, in BFE, we don't even have house codes.


 


  Same here in MS.
1/31/2012 12:32:04 PM EDT
[#35]
I had a friend who had a pond dug behind his house up here.

He actually diverted part of a designated trout stream into it to keep it fresh and full.

He was very lucky that they never stopped in to check him out.
1/31/2012 12:42:20 PM EDT
[#36]
I purchased a house with an 1.5 acre pond. Its a pain in the ass. It turns into a swamp of weeds and algae and moss in the summer and the fish die and stink my yard up. Trying to keep this thing clean is gonna cost me a lot $$$$.  I am not sure how much it cost to create it but it only raises the property value 4k as far as any appraisals are concerned.
1/31/2012 12:50:24 PM EDT
[#37]



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I purchased a house with an 1.5 acre pond. Its a pain in the ass. It turns into a swamp of weeds and algae and moss in the summer and the fish die and stink my yard up. Trying to keep this thing clean is gonna cost me a lot $$$$.  I am not sure how much it cost to create it but it only raises the property value 5k as far as any appraisals are concerned.


That is a-typical of ponds. You have a water quality problem or contamination or something.



I don't care about property value, I'm doing to grow old and die where I live.





 
1/31/2012 12:52:11 PM EDT
[#38]
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Where I am in AL, in BFE, we don't even have house codes.


 


That may be, and I really don't want to piss on your parade, but local zoning authorities are way different than the State enviro folks, or the federal equivalent.

As with any venture, it's far better to know the risks beforehand than to get smacked around later.

The folks who regularly build such structures are fairly likely to know what hoops need jumping through.

Some of them won't have a clue, so talk to as many as you can.

I hope it works out, though.  I don't like fish but if I did I'd love to be able to catch them in my backyard, and then enjoy them for dinner.

1/31/2012 12:54:08 PM EDT
[#39]



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Where I am in AL, in BFE, we don't even have house codes.





 




That may be, and I really don't want to piss on your parade, but local zoning authorities are way different than the State enviro folks, or the federal equivalent.



As with any venture, it's far better to know the risks beforehand than to get smacked around later.



The folks who regularly build such structures are fairly likely to know what hoops need jumping through.



Some of them won't have a clue, so talk to as many as you can.



I hope it works out, though.  I don't like fish but if I did I'd love to be able to catch them in my backyard, and then enjoy them for dinner.





I sure hope so. The guy I talked to was recommended to me, so we shall see.



I will be sure to cross my Ts and dot my Is before I jump into this.



I love deep fried fresh bass.



 
1/31/2012 12:56:38 PM EDT
[#40]
Most states you need a plan and permit.

Tell them that it will be a fire pond and build it as such.
1/31/2012 1:37:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Tag to see if state permit needed. I kind of doubt it.

1/31/2012 1:45:05 PM EDT
[#42]
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There is a very large creek running about 30 yards from the location, which makes a perfect place for overflow.  


http://www.ehow.com/list_6302908_pond-building-requirements-alabama.html


Legal Requirements

Before you can build a pond in Alabama, there are three major legal considerations of which you must be aware. First, it is important to make sure you are not building on wetlands. Federal law protects wetlands and has very specific requirements regarding any kind of construction on such grounds. You would be ill-advised to attempt to build a pond on wetlands, as it requires multiple permits and constant monitoring and thus can quickly become cost-prohibitive. It is critical to make sure you are operating within the bounds of the law on that issue, as Alabama is home to a plethora of wetlands. Second, you must ensure that you have the proper space and materials to construct adequate runoff accommodations, as you will not be legally allowed to construct your pond otherwise. Finally, you must receive a permit from your local municipality even to start construction. Failure to do so can result in multiple fines.


ar-jedi
1/31/2012 1:46:53 PM EDT
[#43]
Quoted:
I need a pro.

http://www.aces.edu/pubs/docs/A/ANR-1114/


Pond Construction
Permit Requirements

The owner must obtain any required permits before hiring a contractor. If wetlands are involved, a permit may be required from the Corps of Engineers (see Wetland Restrictions). Pond sites that involve a total of 5 or more acres of land disturbance during construction require a National Pollution Discharge Elimination System (NPDES) permit issued from the Alabama Department of Environmental Management. This permit requires that a Best Management Practices (BMP) plan be developed and implemented to control erosion during construction and also requires that the BMPs be monitored to ensure that they are working properly. Even if the site is smaller than 5 acres, the landowner and contractor should make a conscious effort to control erosion during construction. A simple way to do this is to perform no construction activities in the pool area until after the dam is near completion. This minimizes land disturbance and creates a basin to trap the sediment produced in the pool area. In all cases, vegetation should be established to control erosion as soon as possible after construction.

Tip to Remember

Construction work of the quality and standards desired will not result unless there is a clear understanding of all the requirements for the job between the owner and the contractor.

Site Surveys and Layout

Certain information for the potential pond site must be obtained through engineering surveys. At a minimum, information collected should include surveys for the proposed earthen dam location, emergency spillway location, and shoreline for the pond. Any soils investigation should be documented and referenced to the site survey. The information gathered from the field surveys will then be used by the designer to calculate the elevations and earthfill quantities associated with the construction of the dam. Just prior to construction, the site survey and design information is used to precisely lay out the earthen dam and emergency spillway for construction.
Hiring a Contractor

Unless you have the necessary equipment, you will need to hire a contractor to build the pond. A list of pond contractors can be obtained at your local NRCS office. You may wish to receive bids from several contractors to be sure you are getting the best quality job done at the lowest possible cost. It is always best to talk with others who have had ponds built. Ask for references from your prospective contractor before finally contracting your construction project.

Before contracting, have a set of plans and specifications prepared. The plans should show all elevations and dimensions of the dam and emergency spillway, the dimensions and extent of the cutoff trench and other areas requiring backfill, and the location, dimensions, and elevations of the principal spillway, bank contours, and other planned structures. The plan should also include a list of the quantity and kind of building materials required.

The specifications should give all the information not shown on the plans that is necessary to define what is to be done, prescribe how the work is to be done if such direction is required, specify the quality of material and workmanship required, and define the method of measurement and the unit of payment for the various items of work that constitute the whole job.

Construction work of the quality and standards desired will not result unless there is a clear understanding of all the requirements for the job between the owner and the contractor. For these reasons, good plans and specifications should be prepared for all ponds for which an owner awards a contract.

The local Soil and Water Conservation District, the NRCS, and private consultants (professional engineers) can assist in preparing the plans and specifications. These people can also provide assistance during the construction phase; however, the primary responsibility to ensure that the job is constructed according to plans and specifications is the owner's.
Construction Costs

The cost of constructing a pond can be highly variable. On a per-acre basis, small ponds are generally more expensive than larger ponds. Small ponds can easily range from $10,000 to $20,000 per acre or more, while larger ponds (10 acres or more) can range from $1,000 to $5,000 per acre or possibly even less for ideal sites. The largest single factor controlling the cost of constructing a pond is the amount of earthmoving required. Other costs such as clearing, site preparation, pipe, concrete, and seeding and mulching are often only incidental compared to the earthmoving cost.

The best way to contract the work of building the pond is to have individual unit prices and pre-agreed-upon costs for every item to be completed in the construction of the pond. Some pond owners elect to "lump sum" the job. That is, the contractor gives them one price for the entire completed job. This is fine unless changes in construction are required, in which case, modifications to the work are difficult to price. Some contractors may want to do all or portions of the work on an hourly basis. This could prove to be expensive since the pond owner has no control over the time required to do the work.

The cost of installing a pond can sometimes be cost-shared through government programs if the pond actually reduces downstream water pollution or is used as a source of water for livestock. Check with the local Soil and Water Conservation District Office and the NRCS for potential cost-share money.


ar-jedi
1/31/2012 1:51:05 PM EDT
[#44]
Quoted:
The main purpose is for fishing.

http://outdooralabama.com/fishing/freshwater/where/ponds/c/


Tips for the Construction of Alabama Sportfish Ponds

Pond Construction

Ponds are much easier to manage when properly constructed. A prospective pond owner should contact a representative of the U.S.D.A., Natural Resources Conservation Service (NRCS) at a field office in their area. The NRCS can make recommendations regarding location, design, and proper construction. The Alabama Cooperative Extension System also has publications regarding pond construction.  The owner should also utilize a reputable contractor, (with references) that is familiar with design and construction of ponds which meet NRCS engineering specifications.

1/31/2012 1:54:33 PM EDT
[#45]
Remember when my uncle and aunt dug one on their property. It is still a nice pond to this day, 30 years later. Didn't seem too hard.
1/31/2012 1:55:05 PM EDT
[#46]
Quoted:
How do you find someone who actually knows what they are doing?
I mean, there aren't many results for "pond digging" in the yellow pages.

http://www.ultimatebass.com/bass-fishing-news/industry-news/151-southern-ponds-and-wildlife-magazine.html
http://www.pondandlime.com/

ar-jedi
1/31/2012 1:55:50 PM EDT
[#47]
The US Corp of Engineers will help you for free. They have plans on building and stocking and maintaining ponds.
It's a free service of the government. My stepdad did this in Kansas in the 80's. They encourage people build ponds.
1/31/2012 4:32:11 PM EDT
[#48]
Check out http://www.pondboss.com
It's the ARFCOM of small fishing ponds, great bunch of guys.
They have a very active forum.
1/31/2012 4:40:09 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted:
Check out http://www.pondboss.com
It's the ARFCOM of small fishing ponds, great bunch of guys.
They have a very active forum.


THIS X 1000!

I came here to post teh above!
Get Bob's book, READ lots of posts, THEN start asking question.
1/31/2012 4:48:56 PM EDT
[#50]
don't be like my dumb ass neighbor who is a know it all. he put in a pond a few years ago and it was wrong from day one. not near deep enough and a piss poor levee. even the other neighbor who has a ton of experience in this type of work tried to talk to him but it went in one ear and out the other.



he had lots of problems and now in the summer it dries up for the most part for about 2 months during the summer. he turns the garden hose and lets it run for days and days. might as well be pissing in the grand canyon.
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