Posted: 1/22/2012 2:20:58 PM EDT
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I watched Left Behind The Movie (2001) today. Haven't seen this movie series in like 7+ years. It's even better than I remember. I remember liking the books a lot too. I mentioned this to my buddy, and he replied that, because he believes in "amillennialism," he doesn't like the Left Behind series. I understand that we obviously don't know exactly how things will play out in the future/end times, but I do believe in The Bible and I think that Left Behind follows the main concepts in the book of Revelation, while adding its own specifics and story line in order to make a movie. Can anyone dumb down an explanation of "amillenialism" for me? I'm having a little bit of difficulty understanding google's... |
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Quoted: I really liked all the books. I have never seen the movie. I have no idea what ama... amee...ami...whatever that word you used means. I'm too lazy right now to look it up. I'll just keep watching this thread for the dumbed down definition. GD people are smart!  If you liked the books, you like the movies for sure. I think there are three of them, not sure if they made more, or if they're ever going to. The first one is....somethin' else. Very, very good though. And yeah...where are those smart GD people at...hmmmmm..... |
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The interpretation of revelation in the books is Dispensationalist.
Dispensationalism did not exist anywhere in the world prior to the 1850s, and does not exist anywhere in the world today outside most of the US evangelical movment, the vast majority of Christianity worldwide is Amillenialist, I was raised in a Calvinist tradition, in fact many in my family attended Calvin College, they feel pretty strongly that the left behind series and the underlying heresy is utterly and completely theologically bankrupt. The scholarship on the dispensationalist side seems incredibly weak to me, but I really don't have a dog in the fight because I personally don't believe in prophecy. I know Arowneragain is pretty well versed on this subject, maybe he'll show up and do a better job than I can. |
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If you want the books or movies go to a thrift store they are all over for dirt cheap. Not a fan though, couldn't sit through the movie nor make it through the first few chapters of the book. I read all the books. While they were good enough for me to read all of them to see what happens, I did hope for a bit more......realism with the gory stuff. But that wasnt gonna happen. Ive never seen the movies |
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The interpretation of revelation in the books is Dispensationalist. Dispensationalism did not exist anywhere in the world prior to the 1850s, and does not exist anywhere in the world today outside most of the US evangelical movment, the vast majority of Christianity worldwide is Amillenialist, I was raised in a Calvinist tradition, in fact many in my family attended Calvin College, they feel pretty strongly that the left behind series and the underlying heresy is utterly and completely theologically bankrupt. The scholarship on the dispensationalist side seems incredibly weak to me, but I really don't have a dog in the fight because I personally don't believe in prophecy. I know Arowneragain is pretty well versed on this subject, maybe he'll show up and do a better job than I can. All that and you couldnt explain the Amillenialist, thing even a little?? |
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Quoted: Quoted: The interpretation of revelation in the books is Dispensationalist. Dispensationalism did not exist anywhere in the world prior to the 1850s, and does not exist anywhere in the world today outside most of the US evangelical movment, the vast majority of Christianity worldwide is Amillenialist, I was raised in a Calvinist tradition, in fact many in my family attended Calvin College, they feel pretty strongly that the left behind series and the underlying heresy is utterly and completely theologically bankrupt. The scholarship on the dispensationalist side seems incredibly weak to me, but I really don't have a dog in the fight because I personally don't believe in prophecy. I know Arowneragain is pretty well versed on this subject, maybe he'll show up and do a better job than I can. All that and you couldnt explain the Amillenialist, thing even a little?? Yeah, I appreciate the information, for sure, but I did ask if you could dumb it down, please.  |
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Broadly Speaking, "Amillinialism" is a misnomer. "Realized Millinialism" is a better description.
The idea of a "Rapture" is a relatively new one. They believe that certain prophesies must be fullfilled before the last 1000 years (literally) of the world can be accomplished. Amillinialists believe that the "1000 years" is a figurative number and that we are in the last years now. Christ coud come back tomorrow, or in 5 minutes or in 10,000 years. We believe that all the Bible prophesies have been realized save one: Judgement Day. The endtimes began with his ressurrection and he is reigning through his church now. For Amillinialists, 1948 Israel has no part of Biblical prophesy. |
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Quoted: Broadly Speaking, "Amillinialism" is a misnomer. "Realized Millinialism" is a better description. The idea of a "Rapture" is a relatively new one. They believe that certain prophesies must be fullfilled before the last 1000 years (literally) of the world can be accomplished. Amillinialists believe that the "1000 years" is a figurative number and that we are in the last years now. Christ coud come back tomorrow, or in 5 minutes or in 10,000 years. We believe that all the Bible prophesies have been realized save one: Judgement Day. The endtimes began with his ressurrection and he is reigning through his church now. For Amillinialists, 1948 Israel has no part of Biblical prophesy. How does this differ from the Left Behind series/why would my amillenialist friend not like this series (if you've read or seen it)? It sounds to me like the movie/books go along with that same belief... |
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So it is literally titled Left Behind The Movie? As in someone had a movie and left it behind? Or is it Left Behind which happens to be a movie? LOL. You're funny. Spelling, punctuation and capitalization are important: I had to help my uncle jack off his horse. I had to help my uncle Jack off his horse. See? They kinda mean different things when only one letter is different. This is 3rd grade stuff, people. |
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The interpretation of revelation in the books is Dispensationalist. Dispensationalism did not exist anywhere in the world prior to the 1850s, and does not exist anywhere in the world today outside most of the US evangelical movment, the vast majority of Christianity worldwide is Amillenialist, I was raised in a Calvinist tradition, in fact many in my family attended Calvin College, they feel pretty strongly that the left behind series and the underlying heresy is utterly and completely theologically bankrupt. The scholarship on the dispensationalist side seems incredibly weak to me, but I really don't have a dog in the fight because I personally don't believe in prophecy. I know Arowneragain is pretty well versed on this subject, maybe he'll show up and do a better job than I can. All that and you couldnt explain the Amillenialist, thing even a little?? Yeah, I appreciate the information, for sure, but I did ask if you could dumb it down, please.
It isn't the sort of thing I can, or I believe should be, "dumbed down" or summarized in a few sentences, and I'm not qualified to argue the point. I only responded because I believe it is a very important point and one many people don't even realise is in dispute, and it has significant foreign policy impacts which I do care about. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So it is literally titled Left Behind The Movie? As in someone had a movie and left it behind? Or is it Left Behind which happens to be a movie? LOL. You're funny. Spelling, punctuation and capitalization are important: I had to help my uncle jack off his horse. I had to help my uncle Jack off his horse. See? They kinda mean different things when only one letter is different. This is 3rd grade stuff, people. Ah, you know what, the only thing I did wrong, if Wikipedia is right, is I didn't put the colon after "Left Behind." |
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Broadly Speaking, "Amillinialism" is a misnomer. "Realized Millinialism" is a better description. The idea of a "Rapture" is a relatively new one. They believe that certain prophesies must be fullfilled before the last 1000 years (literally) of the world can be accomplished. Amillinialists believe that the "1000 years" is a figurative number and that we are in the last years now. Christ coud come back tomorrow, or in 5 minutes or in 10,000 years. We believe that all the Bible prophesies have been realized save one: Judgement Day. The endtimes began with his ressurrection and he is reigning through his church now. For Amillinialists, 1948 Israel has no part of Biblical prophesy. How does this differ from the Left Behind series/why would my amillenialist friend not like this series (if you've read or seen it)? It sounds to me like the movie/books go along with that same belief... They don't agree at all! Amillenialists believe that when Christ comes back, it's to call his kingdom. Nobody is left behind because it's OVER. We will be JUDGED on that day. Heven or Hell. Now. There is no time for anything to happen after that. Only eternity. We don't enjoy the series because we do not believe it reflects scripture accuarately. There are no second chances for nonbelievers. That means for Christians, our job is to preach the word to everyone NOW. We must have a sense of urgency to our work. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Broadly Speaking, "Amillinialism" is a misnomer. "Realized Millinialism" is a better description. The idea of a "Rapture" is a relatively new one. They believe that certain prophesies must be fullfilled before the last 1000 years (literally) of the world can be accomplished. Amillinialists believe that the "1000 years" is a figurative number and that we are in the last years now. Christ coud come back tomorrow, or in 5 minutes or in 10,000 years. We believe that all the Bible prophesies have been realized save one: Judgement Day. The endtimes began with his ressurrection and he is reigning through his church now. For Amillinialists, 1948 Israel has no part of Biblical prophesy. How does this differ from the Left Behind series/why would my amillenialist friend not like this series (if you've read or seen it)? It sounds to me like the movie/books go along with that same belief... They don't agree at all! Amillenialists believe that when Christ comes back, it's to call his kingdom. Nobody is left behind because it's OVER. We will be JUDGED on that day. Heven or Hell. Now. There is no time for anything to happen after that. Only eternity. We don't enjoy the series because we do not believe it reflects scripture accuarately. There are no second chances for nonbelievers. That means for Christians, our job is to preach the word to everyone NOW. We must have a sense of urgency to our work. Oh okay. Thank you for clearing that up. This is why I felt it was important to ask, and thank you for making your explanation easier to understand as well. |
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My wife has read the books and likes them.
I saw the movie. It was pretty good. I have spoken personally with the author - Mr. LaHaye (he was a guest pastor at our church one time) - great guy. He said himself that he wasn't so sure the timeline he used in the books is what will really happen, but of the prevailing conjectures on the rapture, the one he presented in the books made for the best story line. |
Just quit the movies with the first one; its all downhill from there. CTP should just stick to their properties and quit ruining other franchises. (Remember the Left Behind TV series that was in preproduction several years ago? Well I do!  )
If you like the story, listen to the GAP Digital dramatic audio series. Best audio series out there! This is like Old Time Radio, and it got better and better as the series continued! Listen to them here: http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/left-behind-dramatic-audio/ |
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Quoted: Just quit the movies with the first one; its all downhill from there. CTP should just stick to their properties and quit ruining other franchises. (Remember the Left Behind TV series that was in preproduction several years ago? Well I do! )If you like the story, listen to the GAP Digital dramatic audio series. Best audio series out there! This is like Old Time Radio, and it got better and better as the series continued! Listen to them here: http://www.oneplace.com/ministries/left-behind-dramatic-audio/ Ooo! Yay! Audio series, awesome! Yeah...I don't remember a TV series. Hmmmmm... |
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Broadly Speaking, "Amillinialism" is a misnomer. "Realized Millinialism" is a better description. The idea of a "Rapture" is a relatively new one. They believe that certain prophesies must be fullfilled before the last 1000 years (literally) of the world can be accomplished. Amillinialists believe that the "1000 years" is a figurative number and that we are in the last years now. Christ coud come back tomorrow, or in 5 minutes or in 10,000 years. We believe that all the Bible prophesies have been realized save one: Judgement Day. The endtimes began with his ressurrection and he is reigning through his church now. For Amillinialists, 1948 Israel has no part of Biblical prophesy. How does this differ from the Left Behind series/why would my amillenialist friend not like this series (if you've read or seen it)? It sounds to me like the movie/books go along with that same belief... They don't agree at all! Amillenialists believe that when Christ comes back, it's to call his kingdom. Nobody is left behind because it's OVER. We will be JUDGED on that day. Heven or Hell. Now. There is no time for anything to happen after that. Only eternity. We don't enjoy the series because we do not believe it reflects scripture accuarately. There are no second chances for nonbelievers. That means for Christians, our job is to preach the word to everyone NOW. We must have a sense of urgency to our work. So we (Christians) don't get cut any slack at all and must endure the Tribulation? Not cool. Not cool at all. I was so looking forward to ringside seats. I really hoped to avoid being in the ring. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Broadly Speaking, "Amillinialism" is a misnomer. "Realized Millinialism" is a better description. The idea of a "Rapture" is a relatively new one. They believe that certain prophesies must be fullfilled before the last 1000 years (literally) of the world can be accomplished. Amillinialists believe that the "1000 years" is a figurative number and that we are in the last years now. Christ coud come back tomorrow, or in 5 minutes or in 10,000 years. We believe that all the Bible prophesies have been realized save one: Judgement Day. The endtimes began with his ressurrection and he is reigning through his church now. For Amillinialists, 1948 Israel has no part of Biblical prophesy. How does this differ from the Left Behind series/why would my amillenialist friend not like this series (if you've read or seen it)? It sounds to me like the movie/books go along with that same belief... They don't agree at all! Amillenialists believe that when Christ comes back, it's to call his kingdom. Nobody is left behind because it's OVER. We will be JUDGED on that day. Heven or Hell. Now. There is no time for anything to happen after that. Only eternity. We don't enjoy the series because we do not believe it reflects scripture accuarately. There are no second chances for nonbelievers. That means for Christians, our job is to preach the word to everyone NOW. We must have a sense of urgency to our work. So we (Christians) don't get cut any slack at all and must endure the Tribulation? Not cool. Not cool at all. I was so looking forward to ringside seats. I really hoped to avoid being in the ring. Yeah, I'm lost. I'm going to have to read Revelation again, and the rest of the Bible, and do more research on this....I don't wanna be confused about my beliefs anymore! Lol. |
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I watched Left Behind The Movie (2001) today. Haven't seen this movie series in like 7+ years. It's even better than I remember. I remember liking the books a lot too. I mentioned this to my buddy, and he replied that, because he believes in "amillennialism," he doesn't like the Left Behind series. I understand that we obviously don't know exactly how things will play out in the future/end times, but I do believe in The Bible and I think that Left Behind follows the main concepts in the book of Revelation, while adding its own specifics and story line in order to make a movie. Can anyone dumb down an explanation of "amillenialism" for me? I'm having a little bit of difficulty understanding google's... Amillennialism is a view in Christian end-times theology named for its rejection of the theory that Jesus Christ will have a thousand-year long, physical reign on the earth. Amillennialism also teaches that the binding of Satan described in Revelation has already occurred; he has been prevented from "deceiving the nations" by preventing the spread of the gospel. From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amillennialism Mike |
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Broadly Speaking, "Amillinialism" is a misnomer. "Realized Millinialism" is a better description. The idea of a "Rapture" is a relatively new one. They believe that certain prophesies must be fullfilled before the last 1000 years (literally) of the world can be accomplished. Amillinialists believe that the "1000 years" is a figurative number and that we are in the last years now. Christ coud come back tomorrow, or in 5 minutes or in 10,000 years. We believe that all the Bible prophesies have been realized save one: Judgement Day. The endtimes began with his ressurrection and he is reigning through his church now. For Amillinialists, 1948 Israel has no part of Biblical prophesy. How does this differ from the Left Behind series/why would my amillenialist friend not like this series (if you've read or seen it)? It sounds to me like the movie/books go along with that same belief... They don't agree at all! Amillenialists believe that when Christ comes back, it's to call his kingdom. Nobody is left behind because it's OVER. We will be JUDGED on that day. Heven or Hell. Now. There is no time for anything to happen after that. Only eternity. We don't enjoy the series because we do not believe it reflects scripture accuarately. There are no second chances for nonbelievers. That means for Christians, our job is to preach the word to everyone NOW. We must have a sense of urgency to our work. So we (Christians) don't get cut any slack at all and must endure the Tribulation? Not cool. Not cool at all. I was so looking forward to ringside seats. I really hoped to avoid being in the ring. Yeah, I'm lost. I'm going to have to read Revelation again, and the rest of the Bible, and do more research on this....I don't wanna be confused about my beliefs anymore! Lol. I'd encourage you to also read Wayne Grudem's book Bible Doctrine. It's a basic primer for Protestant theology written in plain language. In this book he covers the main 4 end times theologies. He also has a longer Sytematic Theology that goes much deeper and is also a fairly easy read. |
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Broadly Speaking, "Amillinialism" is a misnomer. "Realized Millinialism" is a better description. The idea of a "Rapture" is a relatively new one. They believe that certain prophesies must be fullfilled before the last 1000 years (literally) of the world can be accomplished. Amillinialists believe that the "1000 years" is a figurative number and that we are in the last years now. Christ coud come back tomorrow, or in 5 minutes or in 10,000 years. We believe that all the Bible prophesies have been realized save one: Judgement Day. The endtimes began with his ressurrection and he is reigning through his church now. For Amillinialists, 1948 Israel has no part of Biblical prophesy. How does this differ from the Left Behind series/why would my amillenialist friend not like this series (if you've read or seen it)? It sounds to me like the movie/books go along with that same belief... They don't agree at all! Amillenialists believe that when Christ comes back, it's to call his kingdom. Nobody is left behind because it's OVER. We will be JUDGED on that day. Heven or Hell. Now. There is no time for anything to happen after that. Only eternity. We don't enjoy the series because we do not believe it reflects scripture accuarately. There are no second chances for nonbelievers. That means for Christians, our job is to preach the word to everyone NOW. We must have a sense of urgency to our work. So we (Christians) don't get cut any slack at all and must endure the Tribulation? Not cool. Not cool at all. I was so looking forward to ringside seats. I really hoped to avoid being in the ring. The church is in its "Tribulation" now and has been. Just because the book of Revelation uses many symbols and allegories to teach spiritual truths doesn't mean it is any less inspired. When Jesus says, "I am the Vine," he wants us to think of him, not as an actual grapevine with leaves on him, but that he gives spiritual life to people just like a grapevine gives life to the leaves and helps produce grapes as fruit. The many symbols in the book of Revelation teach spiritual truths in the same way. The pictures of suffering and death in the world remind us that we enter heaven only after we have passed through the many tribulations of this life. The many pictures of heaven in Revelation remind us that the glory of heaven can't be compared with anything we have in this life. All of the book of Revelation is inspired and is to be interpreted in keeping with its symbolic language just like Psalm 23 or the metaphors and parables that Jesus spoke. |
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Windknot1-1, according to your views, when do the bowl and trumpet judgments occur, as well as the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse? Serious question, not trolling. There are specific events in Revelation, such as the two witnesses, the whore that rides the beast, Mystery Babylon, etc.... How do amils view this?
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So we (Christians) don't get cut any slack at all and must endure the Tribulation? Not cool. Not cool at all. I was so looking forward to ringside seats. I really hoped to avoid being in the ring. Even among Christian scholars, there is much debate about this, even if you believe in the Rapture, Tribulation, Millenium, Satan's Last Revolt, Eternal Reign/New Heaven and New Earth. You have those that believe that Christians will go through theTribualtion, or die in it. While others are pre-trib, mid-trib, or post-trib. I've been listening to Chris White on Know Where to Run podcast and he has a theory that Christians will be raptured prior to God pouring out his wrath on the Earth - Pre-wrath. I'm tending to lean in that direction right now. Chuck Missler has some good ideas on the rapture as well. I personally believe that Revelation, in conjunction with several Old Testament prophecies, are literal events that will happen in the future. Israel becoming a state in 1948 is just a piece of that puzzle. Although we would all like to not have to go through the Tribulation, why should we be any different than the first century Christians, or the disciples? Also remember that God saved Noah through the flood, not from it; Daniel through the lions den, not from it; Jonah through the whale, not from it; and Shadrach, Meshach and Abednigo through the furnace, not from it. jd1 |
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The books (writing style) sucked.
Let's explain everything in detail, then repeat it at least three more times, then do it all over again when recapping the previous book. The closest TV show that is like the books that I can think of is Top Shot, 47 minutes of video shot and only 10 minutes worth of content. The movies were good, but Kirk Cameron? 
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Quoted: The books (writing style) sucked. Let's explain everything in detail, then repeat it at least three more times, then do it all over again when recapping the previous book. The closest TV show that is like the books that I can think of is Top Shot, 47 minutes of video shot and only 10 minutes worth of content. The movies were good, but Kirk Cameron? I like Kirk Cameron! I realize he's not the best actor, but something about him draws me in. I liked him in Fireproof, he made me laugh. And I hadn't noticed the books were written that way, they were just intriguing to me. Mostly the first one though. |
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Quoted: The books (writing style) sucked. Let's explain everything in detail, then repeat it at least three more times, then do it all over again when recapping the previous book. The closest TV show that is like the books that I can think of is Top Shot, 47 minutes of video shot and only 10 minutes worth of content. The movies were good, but Kirk Cameron? There's an interview somewhere where the authors said that their goal was to crank out a new book in three or four months. |