[ARCHIVED THREAD] - 1911 (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 12/30/2011 9:09:48 AM EDT
Do you think the 1911 has more pride of ownership than a Glock or other polymer pistol? Obviously the Glock is an excellent and reliable weapon, but the wood, steel, and history of the 1911 is  .
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Do you think the 1911 has more pride of ownership than a Glock or other polymer pistol? Obviously the Glock is an excellent and reliable weapon, but the wood, steel, and history of the 1911 is .Absolutely. In fact I am too proud to own a Glock. Fluffy |
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The 1911 has been around for 100 years, tried and proved. Glock, not so much. The 1911 makes me  when I see them.
The Glock gets a  The Glock isn't tried and proved? I would have to disagree with that statement. Just not as much as the 1911. I'm not a Glock hater just more of a 1911 lover. |
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Do you think the 1911 has more pride of ownership than a Glock or other polymer pistol? Obviously the Glock is an excellent and reliable weapon, but the wood, steel, and history of the 1911 is .I love them both. I carry a custom 1911 to life events, though. Take from that what you will. |
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I think nobody has more pride than 1911 Guy, regardless of the gun's performance. In general, 1911 Guy worships the history, the heritage, the pure Americanism of his choice of firearm. We understand, we're 1911 Guy too. Our "Merry Christmas" desktop wallpaper is a Colt Rail Gun. Martin did the pic in our studio and it turned out pretty sweet: http://bit.ly/tYbOg2
But "1911 Guy" is changing. He's changed alot in the past ten years I think, because different people are becoming 1911 Guy now. Original 1911 Guy loved his pistol because it was the best, and now I think he loves his pistol even more to spite anyone else who moved on to something else. But its not the original 1911 Guy I'm concerned about, its New 1911 Guy. Original 1911 Guy used to be the guy with alot of money, who took carrying concealed so seriously that he would blow $1,000 on a very nice example and just live with the weight penalty. He used to take that pistol and train with it, drill with it religiously, make sure it fed hollowpoints. He bought expensive Wilson 47D magazines. His gun had holster wear but it was cleaned and oiled. He was the kind of guy who rode a Harley on the weekends and always kept his motorcycle clean and well maintained. New 1911 Guy can't really afford a quality 1911, but that doesn't stop him from being a rabid fan. When you ask him why the 1911 is the best he will inevitably reply with "because my grandad..." or "back in WW2..." or "America, F&^K Yeah!" and a thousand other reasons besides "it always works no matter what and it hits where I aim." New 1911 guy is prone to post things on our Facebook like "I shoot a .45 cause 9mm is for pussies, and I don't need more than 7 shots in my clip 'cause I never miss anyway." But the truth is, New 1911 Guy doesn't have a good 1911. He pounds his chest about his all American gun but its really a Chiappa .22 lookalike because he can't afford to shoot .45acp. Or he never did the research to realize that the $400 "American Classic" he saved up all year for was made in the Phillippines. He's never shot anything but FMJ rounds from Walmart though it, and only a couple of boxes of those. Its super clean and looks brand new, which is good because he shows it off to everyone that comes through his door. He has no tac light or night sights or training, but he does have a huge amount of faith that the All-American Gun and its seven All-American Bullets will magically defend him against all comers. New 1911 Guy has a Harley ballcap and a Harley tattoo on his shoulder, but his credit application at the dealership was rejected and he's still driving his girlfriend's Accord to work at Jimmy John's. I want Original 1911 Guy back, but he's pretty hard to find these days. He was long on experience and short on mouth. What he knew, he knew from doing things, not from what Wikipedia told him. This post reflects one man's humble opinion and not CTD company policy. Obviously. |
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I think nobody has more pride than 1911 Guy, regardless of the gun's performance. In general, 1911 Guy worships the history, the heritage, the pure Americanism of his choice of firearm. We understand, we're 1911 Guy too. Our "Merry Christmas" desktop wallpaper is a Colt Rail Gun. Martin did the pic in our studio and it turned out pretty sweet: http://bit.ly/tYbOg2 But "1911 Guy" is changing. He's changed alot in the past ten years I think, because different people are becoming 1911 Guy now. Original 1911 Guy loved his pistol because it was the best, and now I think he loves his pistol even more to spite anyone else who moved on to something else. But its not the original 1911 Guy I'm concerned about, its New 1911 Guy. Original 1911 Guy used to be the guy with alot of money, who took carrying concealed so seriously that he would blow $1,000 on a very nice example and just live with the weight penalty. He used to take that pistol and train with it, drill with it religiously, make sure it fed hollowpoints. He bought expensive Wilson 47D magazines. His gun had holster wear but it was cleaned and oiled. He was the kind of guy who rode a Harley on the weekends and always kept his motorcycle clean and well maintained. New 1911 Guy can't really afford a quality 1911, but that doesn't stop him from being a rabid fan. When you ask him why the 1911 is the best he will inevitably reply with "because my grandad..." or "back in WW2..." or "America, F&^K Yeah!" and a thousand other reasons besides "it always works no matter what and it hits where I aim." New 1911 guy is prone to post things on our Facebook like "I shoot a .45 cause 9mm is for pussies, and I don't need more than 7 shots in my clip 'cause I never miss anyway." But the truth is, New 1911 Guy doesn't have a good 1911. He pounds his chest about his all American gun but its really a Chiappa .22 lookalike because he can't afford to shoot .45acp. Or he never did the research to realize that the $400 "American Classic" he saved up all year for was made in the Phillippines. He's never shot anything but FMJ rounds from Walmart though it, and only a couple of boxes of those. Its super clean and looks brand new, which is good because he shows it off to everyone that comes through his door. He has no tac light or night sights or training, but he does have a huge amount of faith that the All-American Gun and its seven All-American Bullets will magically defend him against all comers. New 1911 Guy has a Harley ballcap and a Harley tattoo on his shoulder, but his credit application at the dealership was rejected and he's still driving his girlfriend's Accord to work at Jimmy John's. I want Original 1911 Guy back, but he's pretty hard to find these days. He was long on experience and short on mouth. What he knew, he knew from doing things, not from what Wikipedia told him. This post reflects one man's humble opinion and not CTD company policy. Obviously. I disagree slightly with your definition or "original". I think what you describe as "original 1911 guy" is actually "1911 Guy ver 2.0" and is from the 70s and 80s. The real "original 1911 guy" is the guy who was issued on in ww1 or ww2 (or possibly even Korea), and who decided he wanted to own one because it was a reliable and powerful handgun, and likely didn't pay very much for it at all. I refer to him as "1911 Guy ver 1.0" 
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Duck Prof–– I'm speaking within my own lifetime of experience. I don't presume to guess what version of 1911 Guy Col. Cooper was.  It's not "Duck" Prof you heartless bastard! 
I agree completely with your descriptions - just wanted to add one more category. 
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Duck Prof–– I'm speaking within my own lifetime of experience. I don't presume to guess what version of 1911 Guy Col. Cooper was. It's not "Duck" Prof you heartless bastard!
I agree completely with your descriptions - just wanted to add one more category. [Unforgiven] "Duck", says I. [/Unforgiven] Wanna see something cool? We don't have the Ruger 1911s on hand yet, but we have the Remington "Enhanced" 1911s. Do want. http://bit.ly/vQGkUh 
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1911=Skinny girl. Pretty, high maintenance and good to show off to friends. Doesn't have to work. Glock=Fat girl. Works all the time, but you really don't wanna show it off. Or something like that. Stole that from a video here.
I like all guns With a little edit, seems about right.
I own two 1911s and two Glocks. I love to shoot the 1911s, there's just something about it. One goes to the range with me every visit.
But the Glocks gets the real work.With the Glocks I don't have to worry about the pistol's finish, or rust, or lubrication, or weight. 1911 for show, Glock for go. |
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Well to me that is like comparing apple juice to wine. Apple juice is a fine drink and one that most like to drink, but It is still just apple juice.. Wine however gets better with age, a brand new Springfield to me is the same thing as a new Glock.. But when your Dad hands you your Great grandfathers WW2 issue 1911, that is something special. Just my opinion
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I just like guns, I like wood and blued steel and I like black metal and plastic too.
That being said, if somebody steals my Glock 19 I can go to almost any gun shop and get another one, I'd be slightly more pissed off if somebody stole my 1911 which is a little more unique and harder to replace.
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Duck Prof–– I'm speaking within my own lifetime of experience. I don't presume to guess what version of 1911 Guy Col. Cooper was. It's not "Duck" Prof you heartless bastard!
I agree completely with your descriptions - just wanted to add one more category. Fucking hilarious can't stop
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The Glock is a fighting tool the 1911 is a great design for the times. I'm pretty sure the guys who used them in the world wars didn't think of them as anything less than a fighting tool  Straw man argument, but you went 80% of the way towards making a very good point. The guys using flintlock rifles in 1776 didn't think of those weapons as anything less than a fighting tool either. But this is 2012 and now a Kentucky rifle is a symbol of American history, not something our country would issue to soldiers in the field. That day will one day come for the 1911 at well. BUT... The amazing thing about the 1911 is that it its basic design is 100 years old and yet we still have men in the field using them to good effect, and those men aren't begging for us to give them something better. In fact it may be said that many of our other fighting troops who are toting Beretta 92s would rather have the 100 year old design issued to them, based solely on its own merits as a fighting tool and for no other reason. I believe this is true for no other pistol in the world (maybe, MAYBE the Browning Hi Power which some SAS and Aussie SAS guys still insist on carrying). This is the highest praise I can give the 1911 or any fighting firearm. You almost made this point, but you stopped short. |
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IMHO Current 1911geries are not 1911s. Just some riced out POS with rails, ginormous beaver tails, whiz bang gadgets and widgets, cocking serrations and checkering over every square inch. They are an abomination and JWB is spinning in his grave. You can't compare a USGI WW2 era 1911 to the handguns being passed off as 1911s today. Glocks are just a block of steel on top of plastic, they work great but that's about it.They have no history or any sentimental value ( ymmv )
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Which incarnation of "perfection" is that one again? What are they up to now..... gen IV? |
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Duck Prof–– I'm speaking within my own lifetime of experience. I don't presume to guess what version of 1911 Guy Col. Cooper was. It's not "Duck" Prof you heartless bastard!
I agree completely with your descriptions - just wanted to add one more category. LOL, you just got -51%-ed by CTD!!!!! |
