[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Camp Pendleton Cross (Page 1 of 6)
Posted: 12/12/2011 4:14:11 AM EDT
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As Camp Pendleton officials decide what to do with an unofficial memorial cross atop a base hillside, another group opposed to letting the cross stand has petitioned for its removal.
Americans United for Separation of Church and State has written to base commander Col. Nick Marano, saying the cross's establishment on government property represents an unconstitutional endorsement of the Christian religion. ... The cross was first erected in 2003 by a group of Marines from the base's 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment. Over the years, it has become a kind of rite of passage for regimental Marines and sailors to trudge to the top of the hill above the base's Camp Horno to visit the site. In addition to the cross, a number of other memorial artifacts to troops lost in battle adorn the site. http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-second-group-calls-for-pendleton-cross-to-come-down/article_9bd92843-4d77-5339-9295-9e80d81d3285.html Really? I'm so tired of athiests. 
I took this myself. 
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As Camp Pendleton officials decide what to do with an unofficial memorial cross atop a base hillside, another group opposed to letting the cross stand has petitioned for its removal. Americans United for Separation of Church and State has written to base commander Col. Nick Marano, saying the cross's establishment on government property represents an unconstitutional endorsement of the Christian religion. ... The cross was first erected in 2003 by a group of Marines from the base's 2nd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment. Over the years, it has become a kind of rite of passage for regimental Marines and sailors to trudge to the top of the hill above the base's Camp Horno to visit the site. In addition to the cross, a number of other memorial artifacts to troops lost in battle adorn the site. http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-second-group-calls-for-pendleton-cross-to-come-down/article_9bd92843-4d77-5339-9295-9e80d81d3285.html Really? I'm so tired of athiests.
I took this myself. http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c31/andrewphillip/IMG_1583.jpg +1. I don't consider myself a "churchy" person (haven't been in years....and when I was it was for paying gigs). I don't see the big deal. Heck, if it's in memoriam of people who had Christian beliefs it's much more offensive to suggest removing it. Fuck them. |
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America is not what it use to be.  Dude....people have always bitched about stuff in this country. I see a 0% chance of that memorial being removed. We're not talking about "stuff" we're talking about a religious memorial placed on a military base. The agenda against Christianity has never been pursued with such intensity in this country as it is today. |
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America is not what it use to be. Dude....people have always bitched about stuff in this country. I see a 0% chance of that memorial being removed. We're not talking about "stuff" we're talking about a religious memorial placed on a military base. The agenda against Christianity has never been pursued with such intensity in this country as it is today. Thank the internet. Without it, no one would even know about this to get aggravated in the first place. |
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America is not what it use to be. Dude....people have always bitched about stuff in this country. I see a 0% chance of that memorial being removed. We're not talking about "stuff" we're talking about a religious memorial placed on a military base. The agenda against Christianity has never been pursued with such intensity in this country as it is today. Thank the internet. Without it, no one would even know about this to get aggravated in the first place. I dont disagree with that at all! |
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From the article: The original cross was carried up by seven people, and three of those original seven were killed in combat in Iraq. Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-second-group-calls-for-pendleton-cross-to-come-down/article_9bd92843-4d77-5339-9295-9e80d81d3285.html#ixzz1gKVrPNsT Screw that "Seperation of Church and State" organization. It is a MEMORIAL, not an endorsement of religion, you morons. |
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The cross should and will stay...... BTW, I am a believer...but I respect everyone's views. What gets me, why would an "atheist" group care? They don't believe in what it stands for anyway..... What they do believe in is that opinion seems to matter over those of others.....double-standard? I'm an atheist and frankly, I think I believe in what it stands for. It stands for the remembrance of friends and comrades who died for what they believe in, as well as the beliefs of others. It is a memorial, not a huge middle finger in the face of non-believers. I'm certain many an item was placed at that memorial by atheists. These whiny fags need to be tossed into societies refuse bin. They embody everything that sucks about mankind. |
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You've got to be a world class cocksucker to devote time towards removing that memorial. When did atheists change from a group that doesn't believe in God to a group that can't stand those that do? They never did as a group. Every "group" has its idiots, which is why lumping people into groups in the first place is retarded. |
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Quoted: Not trying to lump anyone into anything. The vocal atheists that crusade against anything to do with God get the news coverage and ruin it for everyone.Quoted: You've got to be a world class cocksucker to devote time towards removing that memorial. When did atheists change from a group that doesn't believe in God to a group that can't stand those that do? They never did as a group. Every "group" has its idiots, which is why lumping people into groups in the first place is retarded. |
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I'm an atheist who thinks it should stay. Seconded. Definitely should stay. ETA: Ok, in reading, I wasn't the second to say it. I feel the same way about this that any "group" feels about their obnoxious fellow members. I am an atheist as a personal choice, and will usually only discuss it when someone says something nasty about atheists. Trying to remove memorial crosses, trying to protest Christmas celebrations, and wanting nativity scenes removed from courthouse gardens is stupid behavior. They don't hurt me, I think some of them are very moving, and when it comes to Christmas decorations, heck, I put up a ton myself, and love Christmas. As atheism is my personal choice, I can respect other's personal choices and don't want to mess with them. I respect other group's choices too, as long as they don't try to force things on me. A cross on the top of a hill placed as a memorial to people that allow us to continue to have different beliefs does not force me to do anything but to remember the fallen. And we should all do that, no matter how we spend our Sunday mornings. |
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Not really an update but a newer story. We'll have a decision soon.
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/military/military-pentagon-to-decide-fate-of-camp-pendleton-memorial/article_6af4e31a-efec-5ea1-b9dc-f9d25c033dd8.html |
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I'm an atheist who thinks it should stay. Plus fucking one. "Congress shall make no law..." Congress didn't pass a law, Congress didn't authorize funds, Congress didn't establish a religion, neither Congress nor any branch of any governmental organization compels religious observance at this site (telling a bunch of privates to run up a hill and then be quiet for a couple of minutes while standing near a cross does not constitute a religious observance). The people whining about this are just mouthy assholes. There's a time and place to require that governmental organizations not establish or disproportionately support one religion over another, but these guys can fuck off. It's a cross erected in memory of people who mostly consider themselves Christians. If some Atheist wants to man up, join the Marines, and climb that fucking hill with some gear and build his own little memorial with that little atom symbol or whatever on it, then more power to him, but tearing that one down is nothing but spitefulness. |
The  is strong in this one.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/the-camp-pendleton-cross-_b_1124251.html |
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Quoted: The is strong in this one. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/the-camp-pendleton-cross-_b_1124251.html Is it wrong that I have an overwhelming desire to throat punch that bitch? |
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The is strong in this one.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-rodda/the-camp-pendleton-cross-_b_1124251.html Agreed. Much in there. I didnt even get halfway before I got the urge to punch my own junk 
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There a big cross looking thing like that at Bridgeport too overlooking the base. I'm pretty sure there is another cross in Bell Canyon over by Las Flores where there was a Spanish Mission. I was at Los Flores from 03-07, I dont recall a cross near there. Not even on the top of the chapel. Then again, its been many moons since ive seen 41 area |
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I'm an atheist who thinks it should stay. Yep, me too. I also think that atheists should shut the fuck up about this kind of stuff. No harm, no foul. Jane While I'm more of a spiritual guy, instead of a religious guy, I have to agree 100% with this. There's some people out there, with way too much time, sticking their noses in places it shouldn't belong for things that: A) Won't ever affect them in any way ,shape or form B) Is not harming the environment or poisoning their drinking water C) Will not subject them, members of their families or children to participate in D) Won't cost them a fucking dime E) Is not considered an eyesore These are just hateful people with to much time and a hardon for making others do shit against their will. |
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I imagine that having a private monument, off limits to the public so that it won't be twisted into a sort of tourist attraction, might be the best place for our fighting men and women to mourn their fallen comrades, and we owe them that opportunity. I understand that there may be atheist soldiers, or soldiers of other religious groups who somehow find the symbol of the cross offensive or as somehow being unrepresentative of their beliefs. Rather than destroying this monument, perhaps the other groups should be encouraged to establish their own monuments to the fallen somewhere on the base to provide equal opportunities for all religious groups.
I feel is is unfortunate that the atheist group saw a monument to our fallen warriors as a chance to push forward a political agenda. |
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There's allot of pain at the base of that cross. Perhaps the CO will allow the fine people from Americans United ForThe Seperation Of Church And State to come on base and remove it. that's an excellent idea, but the problem is that, the type of people that want the cross down, are the type people that would NEVER do it themselves |
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There's allot of pain at the base of that cross. Perhaps the CO will allow the fine people from Americans United ForThe Seperation Of Church And State to come on base and remove it. that's an excellent idea, but the problem is that, the type of people that want the cross down, are the type people that would NEVER do it themselves I'd like to see them get pounded into the ground like a fence post by fifth and 11th marines if they tried lol. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |