[ARCHIVED THREAD] - is this normal range rules? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 10/24/2011 6:28:29 PM EDT
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So I usually shoot at the Davis outdoor range which is really nice and everyone there is friendly and helpful.
My buddy lives to the west and has a range out near him in Petaluma. This place is run down and shitty but they have 1-300 yards which is appealing since the farthest lane at Davis is 100. A few weeks back we decided to go shooting out in luma. We get there during a cease fire so we put our guns on the racks still in their bags and go set up our targets.... line goes hot, as i'm setting up I notice the range master is standing directly behind me and watching every move i make like a hawk with a dirty look on his face. I figure he hasn't seen me before so he's just making sure I'm not muzzle sweeping anyone or doing anything else stupid. The day goes by I do some shooting from 1-300 yards then my buddy and I decide we want to go shoot some pistol. So we pack everything up back into our bags and leave them on the racks near the pistol range as we shoot our handguns. We finally decide it's time to go and I pack up my ammo and the pistol then take it to the car that's when they call a cease fire. I go to grab my rifle IN THE BAG ON THE RACK 20 feet away from the nearest bench and the douche master yells at me that i can't touch my weapon during a cease fire... I mention it's going back to the car and its IN THE BAG. He gets all hot and red and begins yelling at me some more. at that point i just checked out and walked off... I had a giant urge to grab my bag and tell him to go fuck himself then walk back to my car, but I didn't want to bring any negative repercussions on my friend who was with me since that's his local range. Is this normal? I walked up during a cease fire and set my bagged rifle on a rack without any ruckus.... why would me doing the same thing in reverse cause a problem? I've never liked the guys that run that place.... his douche bag son collected my brass without asking for permission while i was out setting up a target. I made sure to pick it up after every 10 rounds and make sure he saw me doing so. Now this guy is on a power trip and telling me i can put my rifle from the rack to the car during a cease fire? I want to avoid this place due to the douchy-ness of the owners/employees but that's the only place i can stretch my gun out past 100 yards that's relatively close 
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Do not touch the guns during a cease fire.
Yes it is common. They have a little speach that they probably have written down and recited at the beginning of the cease fire that said something to that effect. They are not FUDS, they just have experience with idiots. |
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Normal.
One reasons is to stop theft while the owner is downrange hanging targets. Another is people are morons and like to dick with their bags and there is no way for the RO to know if they're pulling a gun out or not, thank the morons for these and many other rules. |
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Sorry OP, but I can see why the rule is interpreted that way. All it takes is one moron who "thinks" its unloaded as he's putting it in the case and somebody gets shot downrange. His reaction is retarded seeing as a simple "Please don't handle firearms in any way on a cold range" would suffice. But it would make me nervous to have anyone handling a weapon while I was downrange of it.
The rules are an absolute because they are the only thing keeping some people from killing others with negligence. You can't start making exceptions when it comes to firearms. |
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At my range weapons can't be touched during a cease fire, but, a cased (bagged) weapon can be carried to and from the line. A weapon can't be placed into or taken out of a case when the range is cold. Jim exactly. most ranges are ok with you moving a bagged rifle to and from your car. you just don't approach the bench/firing line or try to actually handle/setup/put away a weapon when people are down range. I understand these rules and abide by them. there's usually a line they want you behind during a cease fire unless your down range setting up a target. and I walked up during a cease fire with my rifle in it's bag.... and set it on a rack. He didn't yell at me then or tell me i couldn't "handle" my rifle. and to the people who ask about the rules... I'll have to look for them. I didn't notice any signs the few times i've been there. and the people working there don't offer you any information on the rules they expect you to abide by when you pay your 10 bucks to shoot. |
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Sorry OP, but I can see why the rule is interpreted that way. All it takes is one moron who "thinks" its unloaded as he's putting it in the case and somebody gets shot downrange. His reaction is retarded seeing as a simple "Please don't handle firearms in any way on a cold range" would suffice. But it would make me nervous to have anyone handling a weapon while I was downrange of it. The rules are an absolute because they are the only thing keeping some people from killing others with negligence. You can't start making exceptions when it comes to firearms. i wasn't putting the rifle into it's case. it was already in it and had been for about an hour or so as i shot pistols. I put the pistol away. he called cease fire. i walked up to the RACK... this is not at the firing line or any benches. this is 20 or so feet back from them. I grab my BAGGED rifle. and it's a big bag. not a little sock. and try to turn to go to the car to leave. and he flips out. |
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Quoted: At my range weapons can't be touched during a cease fire, but, a cased (bagged) weapon can be carried to and from the line. A weapon can't be placed into or taken out of a case when the range is cold. Jim Same in IL. Also seems to be the case w/ any IPSC event that I've attended. We can touch ammo & mags when range is cold. Bob |
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Sorry OP, but I can see why the rule is interpreted that way. All it takes is one moron who "thinks" its unloaded as he's putting it in the case and somebody gets shot downrange. His reaction is retarded seeing as a simple "Please don't handle firearms in any way on a cold range" would suffice. But it would make me nervous to have anyone handling a weapon while I was downrange of it. The rules are an absolute because they are the only thing keeping some people from killing others with negligence. You can't start making exceptions when it comes to firearms. i wasn't putting the rifle into it's case. it was already in it and had been for about an hour or so as i shot pistols. I put the pistol away. he called cease fire. i walked up to the RACK... this is not at the firing line or any benches. this is 20 or so feet back from them. I grab my BAGGED rifle. and it's a big bag. not a little sock. and try to turn to go to the car to leave. and he flips out. Sorry, I misunderstood. Most ranges have those racks specifically to separate weapons that are either cleared and ready to leave or ready to be taken on the line when a range goes hot. In that case, he's being a full tard. |
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At my range weapons can't be touched during a cease fire, but, a cased (bagged) weapon can be carried to and from the line. A weapon can't be placed into or taken out of a case when the range is cold. Jim exactly. most ranges are ok with you moving a bagged rifle to and from your car. you just don't approach the bench/firing line or try to actually handle/setup/put away a weapon when people are down range. I understand these rules and abide by them. there's usually a line they want you behind during a cease fire unless your down range setting up a target. and I walked up during a cease fire with my rifle in it's bag.... and set it on a rack. He didn't yell at me then or tell me i couldn't "handle" my rifle. and to the people who ask about the rules... I'll have to look for them. I didn't notice any signs the few times i've been there. and the people working there don't offer you any information on the rules they expect you to abide by when you pay your 10 bucks to shoot. At my club's range we can walk up and place a cased bagged weapon on the firing line when it's cold. We just can't handle the weapon until the range goes hot. We can handle ammo and load mags during a cease fire. Jim |
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We had a self-appointed range nazi come after me one time on the pistol line.
I had 2 magazines disassembled on the sit-down bench back behind the firing line. I had a bottle brush rammed down an empty magazine hull with the spring, follower and butt plate layed out on the bench when he came along and yelled "No touching weapons while people are down range!" There were NO weapons on the bench or anywhere else near me. My brother made a real point of talking directly to the idiots girlfriend (who obviously was sooo embarrassed she looked like she wanted to crawl under a rock...) saying "Wow, I'm impressed! Aren't you impressed? You must be so very proud of him!" while said range nazi idiot was skulking his way back to the opposite end of the firing line. He didn't say another fuqqin word to us for the next 5 minutes and then he packed up and left (with the girl...) |
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At my range weapons can't be touched during a cease fire, but, a cased (bagged) weapon can be carried to and from the line. A weapon can't be placed into or taken out of a case when the range is cold. Jim exactly. most ranges are ok with you moving a bagged rifle to and from your car. you just don't approach the bench/firing line or try to actually handle/setup/put away a weapon when people are down range. I understand these rules and abide by them. there's usually a line they want you behind during a cease fire unless your down range setting up a target. and I walked up during a cease fire with my rifle in it's bag.... and set it on a rack. He didn't yell at me then or tell me i couldn't "handle" my rifle. and to the people who ask about the rules... I'll have to look for them. I didn't notice any signs the few times i've been there. and the people working there don't offer you any information on the rules they expect you to abide by when you pay your 10 bucks to shoot. At my club's range we can walk up and place a cased bagged weapon on the firing line when it's cold. We just can't handle the weapon until the range goes hot. We can handle ammo and load mags during a cease fire. Jim ahh the davis range i'm use to just wants everyone to stay back from the firing line/benches during a cease fire with breeches locked open and mags out. they've got a big yellow line they have everyone get behind before they call cease fires. |
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It is an idiot rule. It should be obvious why you do not want folks handling guns during a cold line. But cased guns are a different story - whatever can go wrong with a cased gun during a cold line can also go wrong when the line is hot. So it makes no sense to only allow them to be handled during a hot line. |
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At my range weapons can't be touched during a cease fire, but, a cased (bagged) weapon can be carried to and from the line. A weapon can't be placed into or taken out of a case when the range is cold. Jim exactly. most ranges are ok with you moving a bagged rifle to and from your car. you just don't approach the bench/firing line or try to actually handle/setup/put away a weapon when people are down range. I understand these rules and abide by them. there's usually a line they want you behind during a cease fire unless your down range setting up a target. and I walked up during a cease fire with my rifle in it's bag.... and set it on a rack. He didn't yell at me then or tell me i couldn't "handle" my rifle. and to the people who ask about the rules... I'll have to look for them. I didn't notice any signs the few times i've been there. and the people working there don't offer you any information on the rules they expect you to abide by when you pay your 10 bucks to shoot. At my club's range we can walk up and place a cased bagged weapon on the firing line when it's cold. We just can't handle the weapon until the range goes hot. We can handle ammo and load mags during a cease fire. Jim ahh the davis range i'm use to just wants everyone to stay back from the firing line/benches during a cease fire with breeches locked open and mags out. they've got a big yellow line they have everyone get behind before they call cease fires. We have a red line. When a cease fire is called everyone has to open the weapon and install an empty chamber indicator and lay the weapon down. Everyone has to step behind the line. When the RO sees the weapons are safe he turns on the lights and we go downrange. The RO watches the line to be sure nobody comes up and touches a weapon. Jim |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: At my range weapons can't be touched during a cease fire, but, a cased (bagged) weapon can be carried to and from the line. A weapon can't be placed into or taken out of a case when the range is cold. Jim exactly. most ranges are ok with you moving a bagged rifle to and from your car. you just don't approach the bench/firing line or try to actually handle/setup/put away a weapon when people are down range. I understand these rules and abide by them. there's usually a line they want you behind during a cease fire unless your down range setting up a target. and I walked up during a cease fire with my rifle in it's bag.... and set it on a rack. He didn't yell at me then or tell me i couldn't "handle" my rifle. and to the people who ask about the rules... I'll have to look for them. I didn't notice any signs the few times i've been there. and the people working there don't offer you any information on the rules they expect you to abide by when you pay your 10 bucks to shoot. At my club's range we can walk up and place a cased bagged weapon on the firing line when it's cold. We just can't handle the weapon until the range goes hot. We can handle ammo and load mags during a cease fire. Jim ahh the davis range i'm use to just wants everyone to stay back from the firing line/benches during a cease fire with breeches locked open and mags out. they've got a big yellow line they have everyone get behind before they call cease fires. Yolo now requires chamber flags for all weapons on the firing line when it's cold. |
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yeah I just didn't type it out. I throw a chamber flag in there too. big ol yellow one I bought my first time there.
i'm pretty sure that's standard range rules for just about all ranges. the not handling a bagged rifle is a new thing to me and i was just wondering if anybody else has run into a range that has that as a rule or if this guy was just being a nazi douche nozzle. |
| Some of the RO's at my local range will bitch you out for any little thing, yet the last time I was at the rifle range the RRO yelled at me to turn off the red flashing lights/buzzer that signifies that people are headed down range when I clicked it on to go hang fresh targets . We have both ends of the spectrum at this range. |
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Seen both. Most ranges allow movement of cased weapons. It's a case, not a weapon.
I hate range-nazis, but I am a very firm dick when it come to handling weapons while others are downrange. Called out three fudds three times in less than two minutes the other day. I am pretty sure that they were not ignoring me. They were startled each time I called them out, but I really think that they were just that retarded. Seriously, put the loaded Ruger Redhawk down, your grandfather is setting up a target stand downrange you fucking retard! |
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Sorry OP but you are an idiot; DON'T TOUCH WEAPONS DURING CEASEFIRE. Enter and exit the firing line when the range is hot. OP didn't handle a weapon. He was picking up the case/bag. It's the same as entering the range with a cased weapon. If it is unloaded in a case it is safe to carry. Jim |
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At my outdoor club, the racks are in the "box" that is outlined from the firing line, to about ten feet back. If the range is safe and people are forward of the line, you aren't allowed in the "box", and thus, wouldn't be able to grab racked rifles. I've had no problem if I case my rifles and throw them on the picnic tables outside of the box, go grab my brass that's gone forward of the line, and head out with my guns before the range is hot. RO's who get upset over handling of a cased firearm outside of the firing area must have some sort of complex. |
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Sorry OP but you are an idiot; DON'T TOUCH WEAPONS DURING CEASEFIRE. Enter and exit the firing line when the range is hot. sorry but reading comprehension pwns you. i wasn't in the firing lane. why don't you try putting all those words together and then try to understand what exactly they mean before calling people names. |
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Not unusual in my experience.
If it was on the shooting bench (or forward of the yellow/red/white line) you don't fucking touch it even if it's in a case. Period. If you think this is a stupid rule then you haven't fully experienced the wonderful variety of dangerous ignorance present in the gun owning public at large. Quite often there are some seriously ignorant and dangerous people on the line with you who don't even realize they're ignorant and dangerous to themselves and others. I promise you I'm not grand-standing in the least here. 
I will say that many ranges have a 'cold/staging' area behind the main shooting lines where you can place your cased weapon to carry off when the line goes cold without breaking the rules. Perhaps this range wasn't one of them. It might also help to familiarize yourself with the specific local range rules and protocols when shooting at a new range. Or I guess you could come here and bitch about it, your call. |
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Sorry OP but you are an idiot; DON'T TOUCH WEAPONS DURING CEASEFIRE. Enter and exit the firing line when the range is hot. He wasn't handling a weapon, he was grabbing a bag/case that had a weapon in it. You can do that during a cease fire at both outdoor ranges here in the Sacramento area. |
| You ever had a round sent your way during a cease fire? Let me tell you it aint fun, rules are there for a reason, sure you might be the fucking poster boy for firearms safety but the ro don't know that. All he knows is that there are alot of stupid people in this world that dont have a clue, and some of them own firearms. |
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For people who say that you shouldn't handle a cased weapon- how do you enter a range? Do you leave your weapon in your truck and wait for the range to be called hot?
At my range all weapons must be cased entering and leaving the range. If the range is hot you can uncase the weapon or place it in the case at the firing line only. If I enter when the range is cold I can place my cased weapon on a bench but can't take it out until the range is called hot. When I am fionished shooting I can only place the weapon in the case when the range is hot. While shooting, when the range is called safe weapons can be placed on the bench or in a rack- either must have an unloaded chamber indicator installed. If a shooter doesn't have one we have a coffee can full. After the weapon is made safe it can't be touched until the range is called hot again. The RO will be watching anyone staying near the benches. If you start to touch a weapon he will be all over you. There have been brain farts where someone laid a weapon down loaded and didn't realize it until too late. When it is brought to the RO's attention he will literally watch the weapon until everyone is back. Nobody will touch it to unload it until all shooters are back behind the line. Jim |
| Some dope is eventually going to pick up their cased rifle, decide they want to take it out of the case and put it on the bench, and send a round downrange. It's easier for the RO to monitor the line if nobody is handling weapons, cased or uncased. Wait a couple minutes, range goes hot, you walk away with your cased rifle. |
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Some dope is eventually going to pick up their cased rifle, decide they want to take it out of the case and put it on the bench, and send a round downrange. It's easier for the RO to monitor the line if nobody is handling weapons, cased or uncased. Wait a couple minutes, range goes hot, you walk away with your cased rifle. At our range you can place a cased weapon on the bench, but I didn't mention that you then have to walk back behind the line. Actually when I arrive and the range is cold I drop my cased weapon on the bench then haul ass downrange to hang a target. It's either that or wait for the next cease fire. The RO watches the line. If anyone walks forward or the red line they better not touch the cased weapon. When I need to load pistol mags- assuming I didn't do that before leaving the house, I tell the RO what I am doing even if he has know me for decades. If there is anyone staying near a bench I also do not bullshit with the RO. If I distract him someone could get hurt. All members of my club are also supposed to help watch for unsafe weapon handling. If we see something we call it to the RO's attention. Of course we did have an RO have a ND while the range was safe. He decided to remove a mag from a pistol and fired a round off. I was on the BoD then and we stripped him of RO status. We didn't kick him out of the club but he did have to go through safety orientation again and wasn't allowed to become an RO again for at least a year. Jim |
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Sorry OP but you are an idiot; DON'T TOUCH WEAPONS DURING CEASEFIRE. Enter and exit the firing line when the range is hot. This seems more than a little retarded. Hell, the military takes the cake on retarded range rules and even they don't enter or exit a range when it's hot. If you aren't on the firing line itself it's a non-issue. 5 feet, 500 feet, what next don't touch your rifle in the parking lot when we're cease fired? |
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Normal range protocol where I live. If you had told him to fuck off, like you say you had thought about doing, everyone I know, myself included, would have thought you a complete D-bag, NOT the RO. FWIW, all ranges I have shot at, and the one I worked at AS an RSO had a little rule at the bottom of the list that went something like; "RSO has final say in all matters" |
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Quoted: Sorry OP but you are an idiot; DON'T TOUCH WEAPONS DURING CEASEFIRE. Enter and exit the firing line when the range is hot. He's only an idiot if that's clearly posted. I've never seen a range where you can't handle a cased firearm away from the lines when the range is cold. I would have told the RO to FO and left. |
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I like shooting at unsupervised ranges without the bellowing over the loudspeaker and the strict rules on doubletaps, targets and holster draws. Most of the time it goes smoothly and the yahoos are identified and scolded early.
The brass divers do annoy me. One guy was damned near catching them in the air without even asking.
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Normal. no means no. For every cased gun that gets moved they probally get 2-3 uncased that get fondled so they have to make the rules simple so retards don't shoot you.
Ninjaing brass during colds unless the line was cluttered and it was a saftey issue would piss me off though. |
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Sorry OP but you are an idiot; DON'T TOUCH WEAPONS DURING CEASEFIRE. Enter and exit the firing line when the range is hot. OP didn't handle a weapon. He was picking up the case/bag. It's the same as entering the range with a cased weapon. If it is unloaded in a case it is safe to carry. Jim It's a matter of opinion, no one will ever agree 100% on this. I've never been to a range where you were allowed to handle any weapons, cased or not, during a ceasefire. If you arrive during a ceasefire, you sit your weapons by the gate while the RO watches them and set up your targets. When the line goes hot, you bring your weapons in to the range. If you want to leave, you either do it while the line is hot or wait until it's hot again to take your weapons off the range. Plenty of people get killed by "unloaded" weapons. Just because some random guy at the range swears the weapon he has in a case in unloaded doesn't mean much of anything to me. If I'm down range I don't want any weapons being handled, cased or not. |
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For people who say that you shouldn't handle a cased weapon- how do you enter a range? Do you leave your weapon in your truck and wait for the range to be called hot? Jim If I arrive at my range during a cold range I leave my weapons in the car and go set up my targets and take my other gear to the area by whatever bench I'm using. Once hot I go get my weapons from my car. Pretty simple. |