[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Larry Vickers (Page 1 of 7)
Posted: 10/6/2011 12:35:16 PM EDT
| I read his brief bio on his website. Outside of his 20 years of service, and being Delta (i'm in no way taking away from that, it's an incredible achievement) what has he done that is noteworthy? Why is he so talked about? Is his training based on his actual combat experience? Or is he basically a self-made man in the firearms/training industry? |
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I read his brief bio on his website. Outside of his 20 years of service, and being Delta (i'm in no way taking away from that, it's an incredible achievement) what has he done that is noteworthy? Why is he so talked about? Is his training based on his actual combat experience? Or is he basically a self-made man in the firearms/training industry? I don't know about anybody else, but when a bona-fide Delta cat speaks, I listen. |
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Quoted: I read his brief bio on his website. Outside of his 20 years of service, and being Delta (i'm in no way taking away from that, it's an incredible achievement) what has he done that is noteworthy? Why is he so talked about? Is his training based on his actual combat experience? Or is he basically a self-made man in the firearms/training industry? 20 years in the military including Delta isn't enough?  You looking to sign up for a class with The Punisher or James Bond?He also knows a little bit about 1911s
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He wasn't just a Delta member he was a Delta firearms trainer he is also an accomplished 1911 gunsmith and competitive shooter in his own right. I have nothing but respect for the man. Some of the cry babies here don't like his sense of humor.
He was in Delta of course he was in combat. Is the OP dumb? Specifically he fought in Panama among many other places I am sure. ETA: Disclaimer:I own one Larry Vickers endorsed/branded product a sling. I am by no means a fanboy. |
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Operator Training Course, Special Forces Qualification Course, Special Forces Military Freefall Course, Special Operations Target Interdiction Course (SF Sniper School), Airborne School, Infantry Advanced Individual Training, Jumpmaster School, Military Freefall Jumpmaster School, Bronze Star with 'V' device for actions in Panama, Joint Service Commendation medal with 'V' device for actions during Desert Storm, Defense Meritorious Service Medal, Meritorious Service Medal, Combat Infantryman Badge Vickers is one of the few published sources of reliable information on the U.S. Army's Delta Force. He is also known to be one of the driving forces behind Delta Force's customized M1911 pistol program.
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He has had his hand in some weapons design stuff, as well as building 1911s for people who trust them with their lives. Say what you want about his sense of humor or biting wit, but he puts on a hell of a training session. What more are you looking for, OP? Things like this. |
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I read his brief bio on his website. Outside of his 20 years of service, and being Delta (i'm in no way taking away from that, it's an incredible achievement) what has he done that is noteworthy? Why is he so talked about? Is his training based on his actual combat experience? Or is he basically a self-made man in the firearms/training industry? I don't know about anybody else, but when a bona-fide Delta cat speaks, I listen. This |
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He is also known to be one of the driving forces behind Delta Force's customized M1911 pistol program.[4]
[edit] Firearms industryLarry Vickers has worked with several companies, including Heckler and Koch, Blue Force Gear, Daniel Defense, TangoDown, Surefire, Wilson Combat, Nighthawk Custom, and Schmidt & Bender. He was one of the principal designers behind the Heckler & Koch HK416,[5] HK417, and HK45. In addition, he has helped develop the Wilson Combat WWII Commemorative Pistol, Schmidt & Bender 1.1 - 4 x 20 CQB Short Dot scope, the Surefire X200 series tactical light and Scoutlight tactical lights, and the Insight Technology M3x and M6x laser/weaponslights, as well as the ATPIAL infrared laser & illuminator (similar to the PEQ-2 illuminator.[6] According to Defensereview.com, he is highly regarded among professional gunsmiths as "one of the best pistolsmiths out there" He is also known to be one of the driving forces behind Delta Force's customized M1911 pistol program.[4] It is not so much that he was in Delta...when they need to develop and purchase new weapons they dont exactly go down to the gun store and ask the guy behind the counter...the old NCOs who have subject matter expertise design the requirements. He was one of the guys that organization chose to help develop futre requirements for weapons and stuff. |
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He wasn't just a Delta member he was a Delta firearms trainer he is also an accomplished 1911 gunsmith and competitive shooter in his own right. I have nothing but respect for the man. Some of the cry babies here don't like his sense of humor. He was in Delta of course he was in combat. Is the OP dumb? Specifically he fought in Panama among many other places I am sure. ETA: Disclaimer:I own one Larry Vickers endorsed/branded product a sling. I am by no means a fanboy. I am not a 'tacticool" type guy and i never offer opinions on that sort of thing. Also, I try real hard to be opened minded and give other people some slack. I never actually heard of Larry Vickers before the whole printer repairman thing. As an outsider, I thought his comments were foolish and the apology was arrogant and obnoxious. Setting that aside, to say LV is always right about tacticool stuff or firearms is using the logical fallacy of "appeal to authority". If you have an opinion, you need to be able to support the opinion with facts and logic. Simply saying, "well, I was a navy seal so my opinion is correct" is not a valid argument. You'll also notice that people defend Vickers by citing his service. Like nothing he says or does can be criticized because to do so would show disrespect for his service record. Personally, I think if a guy wants to go around making "jokes" then it should be fair game to makes "jokes" in return. |
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He wasn't just a Delta member he was a Delta firearms trainer he is also an accomplished 1911 gunsmith and competitive shooter in his own right. I have nothing but respect for the man. Some of the cry babies here don't like his sense of humor. He was in Delta of course he was in combat. Is the OP dumb? Specifically he fought in Panama among many other places I am sure. ETA: Disclaimer:I own one Larry Vickers endorsed/branded product a sling. I am by no means a fanboy. I guess I am. I didn't know that every single SOF guy ever made has been in combat. |
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Quoted: Knowing his association with the "Arfkom sucks I got thrown off" crowd I don't think he meant "just the bad people," he mean you too. Personally I don't care, he makes a lot of money off those guys but he has also has been burned by his association with some of them, kharma.Quoted: it is amazing how some people are still so butthurt at him making a joke about this website's undeniably large population of assclowns/dirt shooters. /\  |
| With all due respect to Larry Vickers, still not sold on Daniel Defense Products or AR's. I bought a Blue Force One Point Tactical Sling once and was disappointed with the overall quality of it but being the way I am I still have it NP. I then proceeded to buy the Gear Sector one and was rather pleased with it and bought a second one also. Still debating if I'll buy a Redi Mag kit or not. |
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He wasn't just a Delta member he was a Delta firearms trainer he is also an accomplished 1911 gunsmith and competitive shooter in his own right. I have nothing but respect for the man. Some of the cry babies here don't like his sense of humor. He was in Delta of course he was in combat. Is the OP dumb? Specifically he fought in Panama among many other places I am sure. ETA: Disclaimer:I own one Larry Vickers endorsed/branded product a sling. I am by no means a fanboy. I guess I am. I didn't know that every single SOF guy ever made has been in combat. Delta and Devgu guys are in and out of country on missions all over the world all the time. Peace time or not. They could be killing some evil African militant one day and at their hometown bar drinking brewskeys the next. Thus the beer gut. |
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GIve him some slack, he has been in two helicopter crashes. Should we give him a Bronze Star for being in a wreck, like Jessica lynch? Bronze? Yes, that's what they gave her. For being in a Humvee accident in Nassariya. I was in an accident with an Deuce and a 5-Ton once. Do I get creds for that? Just wondering since apparently I am supposed to cut LV some slack because he was in some wrecks. |
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I read his brief bio on his website. Outside of his 20 years of service, and being Delta (i'm in no way taking away from that, it's an incredible achievement) what has he done that is noteworthy? Why is he so talked about? Is his training based on his actual combat experience? Or is he basically a self-made man in the firearms/training industry? if he was delta he put in his work. |
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Quoted: Outside of his 20 years of service, and being Delta (i'm in no way taking away from that, it's an incredible achievement) what has he done that is noteworthy? Outside of conquering most of the known world, and being crowned god-emperor, what did Julius Caesar do that was noteworthy? |
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Outside of his 20 years of service, and being Delta (i'm in no way taking away from that, it's an incredible achievement) what has he done that is noteworthy? Outside of conquering most of the known world, and being crowned god-emperor, what did Julius Caesar do that was noteworthy? Well he was the namesake of the Caesarian Section medical procedure, that's kind of cool. |
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GIve him some slack, he has been in two helicopter crashes. Should we give him a Bronze Star for being in a wreck, like Jessica lynch? Bronze? Yes, that's what they gave her. For being in a Humvee accident in Nassariya. I was in an accident with an Deuce and a 5-Ton once. Do I get creds for that? Just wondering since apparently I am supposed to cut LV some slack because he was in some wrecks. They give BSMs for end of tour awards too. |
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Outside of his 20 years of service, and being Delta (i'm in no way taking away from that, it's an incredible achievement) what has he done that is noteworthy? Outside of conquering most of the known world, and being crowned god-emperor, what did Julius Caesar do that was noteworthy? Well he was the namesake of the Caesarian Section medical procedure, that's kind of cool. Are y'all talking about the calendar guy? I had no idea he did all that other stuff, too. Emperor, you say? |
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GIve him some slack, he has been in two helicopter crashes. Should we give him a Bronze Star for being in a wreck, like Jessica lynch? Bronze? Yes, that's what they gave her. For being in a Humvee accident in Nassariya. I was in an accident with an Deuce and a 5-Ton once. Do I get creds for that? Just wondering since apparently I am supposed to cut LV some slack because he was in some wrecks. They give BSMs for end of tour awards too. I guess it's that handy "catch all" valor award now. DIdn't used to be. One Medic buddies got a Bronze Star in GW1 for running out smack in the middle of a mortar barrage and treating/bringing back two soldiers who were hit while occupying an Iraqi airfield. He caught some shrapnel while doing it. They gave him the BSM for doing that. He still says he didn't deserve it, I say he is wrong. |
| This might be stupid, but I don't take well to fat people training me. Being fat shows a lack of discipline (in most cases.) I put in the work every week to take care of my body and mind, it's not that difficult. I expect a trainer to be more disciplined than me. |
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He wasn't just a Delta member he was a Delta firearms trainer he is also an accomplished 1911 gunsmith and competitive shooter in his own right. I have nothing but respect for the man. Some of the cry babies here don't like his sense of humor. He was in Delta of course he was in combat. Is the OP dumb? Specifically he fought in Panama among many other places I am sure. ETA: Disclaimer:I own one Larry Vickers endorsed/branded product a sling. I am by no means a fanboy. I guess I am. I didn't know that every single SOF guy ever made has been in combat. Delta and Devgu guys are in and out of country on missions all over the world all the time. Peace time or not. They could be killing some evil African militant one day and at their hometown bar drinking brewskeys the next. Thus the beer gut. Not to downplay how badass either of those 2 groups are, but I am not so sure about that. I'm sure that it has been pretty much non stop for them for most of the past 10 years or so, but during peace time I'm almost positive they see a HELL of a lot more training than actual "missions" that we never hear about. |
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He wasn't just a Delta member he was a Delta firearms trainer he is also an accomplished 1911 gunsmith and competitive shooter in his own right. I have nothing but respect for the man. Some of the cry babies here don't like his sense of humor. He was in Delta of course he was in combat. Is the OP dumb? Specifically he fought in Panama among many other places I am sure. ETA: Disclaimer:I own one Larry Vickers endorsed/branded product a sling. I am by no means a fanboy. I guess I am. I didn't know that every single SOF guy ever made has been in combat. In a 20 year career? 15+ of which was with Delta. When have we not had a shooting war for 20 years? |
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Quoted: I guess it's that handy "catch all" valor award. DIdn't used to be. One Medic buddies got a Bronze Star in GW1 for running out smack in the middle of a mortar barrage and treating/bringing back two soldiers who were hit while occupying an Iraqui airfield. He caught some shrapnel, they gave him the BSM for that. He still says he didn't deserve it, I say he is wrong. "V" device. Research it. There's a difference between a BSM & a BSM with "V" device. Most of the E-7s & up got BSMs after DS. It was a "I went to Desert Storm & all I got was this lousy BSM" type thing. |
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He wasn't just a Delta member he was a Delta firearms trainer he is also an accomplished 1911 gunsmith and competitive shooter in his own right. I have nothing but respect for the man. Some of the cry babies here don't like his sense of humor. He was in Delta of course he was in combat. Is the OP dumb? Specifically he fought in Panama among many other places I am sure. ETA: Disclaimer:I own one Larry Vickers endorsed/branded product a sling. I am by no means a fanboy. I guess I am. I didn't know that every single SOF guy ever made has been in combat. Delta and Devgu guys are in and out of country on missions all over the world all the time. Peace time or not. They could be killing some evil African militant one day and at their hometown bar drinking brewskeys the next. Thus the beer gut. Not to downplay how badass either of those 2 groups are, but I am not so sure about that. I'm sure that it has been pretty much non stop for them for most of the past 10 years or so, but during peace time I'm almost positive they see a HELL of a lot more training than actual "missions" that we never hear about. Before 9/11, apparently Bosnia was keeping them busy. |
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I guess it's that handy "catch all" valor award. DIdn't used to be. One Medic buddies got a Bronze Star in GW1 for running out smack in the middle of a mortar barrage and treating/bringing back two soldiers who were hit while occupying an Iraqui airfield. He caught some shrapnel, they gave him the BSM for that. He still says he didn't deserve it, I say he is wrong. "V" device. Research it. There's a difference between a BSM & a BSM with "V" device. Most of the E-7s & up got BSMs after DS. It was a "I went to Desert Storm & all I got was this lousy BSM" type thing. OK his did have the "v" come to think of it. |
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He wasn't just a Delta member he was a Delta firearms trainer he is also an accomplished 1911 gunsmith and competitive shooter in his own right. I have nothing but respect for the man. Some of the cry babies here don't like his sense of humor. He was in Delta of course he was in combat. Is the OP dumb? Specifically he fought in Panama among many other places I am sure. ETA: Disclaimer:I own one Larry Vickers endorsed/branded product a sling. I am by no means a fanboy. I guess I am. I didn't know that every single SOF guy ever made has been in combat. Delta and Devgu guys are in and out of country on missions all over the world all the time. Peace time or not. They could be killing some evil African militant one day and at their hometown bar drinking brewskeys the next. Thus the beer gut. Not to downplay how badass either of those 2 groups are, but I am not so sure about that. I'm sure that it has been pretty much non stop for them for most of the past 10 years or so, but during peace time I'm almost positive they see a HELL of a lot more training than actual "missions" that we never hear about. Thats just the point. There hasn't been "peace" for an extended period of time. Panama, Grenada, Somalia, Desert Storm, Bosnia I will bet you my stripes Delta was in all those places. |
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Quoted: This might be stupid, but I don't take well to fat people training me. Being fat shows a lack of discipline (in most cases.) I put in the work every week to take care of my body and mind, it's not that difficult. I expect a trainer to be more disciplined than me. He's not teaching step aerobics at Gold's Gym. There are plenty of fucking morons who are in great shape, it's not like that discipline necessarily means anything outside of the gym. |
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GIve him some slack, he has been in two helicopter crashes. Should we give him a Bronze Star for being in a wreck, like Jessica lynch? Bronze? Yes, that's what they gave her. For being in a Humvee accident in Nassariya. I was in an accident with an Deuce and a 5-Ton once. Do I get creds for that? Just wondering since apparently I am supposed to cut LV some slack because he was in some wrecks. They give BSMs for end of tour awards too. I guess it's that handy "catch all" valor award now. DIdn't used to be. One Medic buddies got a Bronze Star in GW1 for running out smack in the middle of a mortar barrage and treating/bringing back two soldiers who were hit while occupying an Iraqui airfield. He caught some shrapnel, they gave him the BSM for that. He still says he didn't deserve it, I say he is wrong. I was put in for a BSM with V for trying to help save 3 soldiers, one of whom was later put in for a CMH (denied), but I had it down graded to an ARCOM with V because I wasn't E-6 or above. The medals are basically worthless, you have to look at the context in which they were given. Hell in the 1860s the CMH was handed out as an end of service award to officers. |