Posted: 9/24/2011 12:10:02 AM EDT
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People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. |
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People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. I would like to see the statistics of the types of people who generally obtain pit bulls. I'd bet a lot that most are gang-banger douchebag types that raise their pit bull to be vicious |
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Quoted: People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. Saying that JUST the Pit Bulls are at fault is like saying the gun shot the man all by itself. |
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People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. I would like to see the statistics of the types of people who generally obtain pit bulls. I'd bet a lot that most are gang-banger douchebag types that raise their pit bull to be vicious I'm willing to bet that easily recognised trends would emerge when this data is compared with the bite incidents. Just about any dog trained by the right person will wind up as a loyal, tame, pet. Take a strong breed and give it to someone without a clue how to raise a dog and you are going to have a problem. Blaming the breed is no different than blaming violence among humans on race or religious orientation. There are other, more complex factors that contribute. Life is rarely as simple as compartmentalization based on visible attributes. |
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People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. Last I checked, Labs were responsible for the majority of bites. I haven't checked lethal dog bite statistics in ages, so I imagine Pits could be higher in that category, but then the rate of death due to dog bite in this nation is so amazingly minuscule that the statistics would have far too high of a variance to be considered representative or correlative. Seriously, there are what, two dozen or three dozen fatalities across the entire nation in a year? The sample size is so incredibly small that you'd be far better off looking at the totality of circumstances in each individual incident rather than trying to draw correlations based on just one observed metric (like breed). I suspect, just working on a hypothesis here mind you, I suspect you'd find that the most correlative factor would be "scumbag bought what he thought was a mean dog, then the dog was abused, then it killed someone". I suspect that has far, far more bearing on dog bites than breed ever will. |
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Quoted: Quoted: People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. I would like to see the statistics of the types of people who generally obtain pit bulls. I'd bet a lot that most are gang-banger douchebag types that raise their pit bull to be vicious I usually see a pit, look at the so-called owner, and roll my eyes. Usually ghetto or white trash. |
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In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers: "Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.) The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.) |
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From here In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers: "Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.) The Clifton study of attacks from 1982 through 2006 produced similar results. According to Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes were responsible for 65% of the canine homicides that occurred during a period of 24 years in the USA. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.) I had a rottweiler damn near take my left thumb off one time when i was petting it. Have petted that dog tons of times before this time it randomly decided it was gonna attack me when i pet its puppy. |
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Pretty sure pits were bred to be fighters. Not really a surprise when you read a report about them ripping off a little kids face. Yep! Helen Keller loved fighting her Pitbull, and I'm sure your mother and father (or possibly you, depending on your age) saw that great tv show that highlighted those street thug kids that fought their Pitbull, I believe the show was called "The Little Rascals"? and thank god those troops in WW1 had Sgt Stubby, who thought he was there to fight GSD's not German Soldiers, and let's not forget RCA thinking what better breed to represent their company than a child face ripper dog! 
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Quoted: Quoted: People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. Saying that JUST the Pit Bulls are at fault is like saying the gun shot the man all by itself. That is not quite the same, as dogs are not inanimate objects and can choose to bite things if they want to. |
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If a Pit comes on my property not on a leash and the owner is not at hand it gets 180gr at 2750fps. Shovel and dirt do the rest. If the owner is at hand then both are thrown off the property and get a "no-trespass" notice. If they ever come back the owner goes to jail. I will not take the risk of these nice sweet pets doing harm to me, the wife, my kids or my grand kids. And if you are wondering, I live in the country so shooting off my porch is not an issue. End of story. EBR666 |
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These threads always amuse me. Dogs are dogs. Some are good dogs, some are bad dogs. Some of it is determined by the owners, some by breed. Whatever.
I have two pits. They're both very sweet dogs. One has some resource guarding issues (not uncommon in ANY dog) and we're cautious around other dogs with him but he LOVES people. The other is a big goofy "snoopy dog" who just wants to play with anyone and everything that will look at him. All you tough guys with "shoot on sight" policies are idiots who don't know jack shit about dogs and have bit hook line and sinker on the media hype about pits. But whatever. 
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People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. Last I checked, Labs were responsible for the majority of bites. I haven't checked lethal dog bite statistics in ages, so I imagine Pits could be higher in that category, but then the rate of death due to dog bite in this nation is so amazingly minuscule that the statistics would have far too high of a variance to be considered representative or correlative. Seriously, there are what, two dozen or three dozen fatalities across the entire nation in a year? The sample size is so incredibly small that you'd be far better off looking at the totality of circumstances in each individual incident rather than trying to draw correlations based on just one observed metric (like breed). I suspect, just working on a hypothesis here mind you, I suspect you'd find that the most correlative factor would be "scumbag bought what he thought was a mean dog, then the dog was abused, then it killed someone". I suspect that has far, far more bearing on dog bites than breed ever will. Umm, no. http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/Dog_Attacks_1982-2006_Clifton.pdf |
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Quoted: These threads always amuse me. Dogs are dogs. Some are good dogs, some are bad dogs. Some of it is determined by the owners, some by breed. Whatever. I have two pits. They're both very sweet dogs. One has some resource guarding issues (not uncommon in ANY dog) and we're cautious around other dogs with him but he LOVES people. The other is a big goofy "snoopy dog" who just wants to play with anyone and everything that will look at him. All you tough guys with "shoot on sight" policies are idiots who don't know jack shit about dogs and have bit hook line and sinker on the media hype about pits. But whatever. Ding, ding, ding.............we have a winner. There are good and bad of every breed. My Pit happens to be the total opposite of the stereotype. He is scared of his own shadow and has no aggressive tendencies. He runs for my lap at every loud noise. If I try to rough house with him he gets this look like "why are you being mean to me". His "girlfriend" has been staying with us. Mauser is hesitant to play with her because she gets too rough, but last night he broke bad. This is him in full attack mode..............  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. Last I checked, Labs were responsible for the majority of bites. I haven't checked lethal dog bite statistics in ages, so I imagine Pits could be higher in that category, but then the rate of death due to dog bite in this nation is so amazingly minuscule that the statistics would have far too high of a variance to be considered representative or correlative. Seriously, there are what, two dozen or three dozen fatalities across the entire nation in a year? The sample size is so incredibly small that you'd be far better off looking at the totality of circumstances in each individual incident rather than trying to draw correlations based on just one observed metric (like breed). I suspect, just working on a hypothesis here mind you, I suspect you'd find that the most correlative factor would be "scumbag bought what he thought was a mean dog, then the dog was abused, then it killed someone". I suspect that has far, far more bearing on dog bites than breed ever will. Umm, no. http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/Dog_Attacks_1982-2006_Clifton.pdf I believe he's referring to bites, as he said. You're citing a report on fatalities. There is, in fact, a difference. |
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When you say Pitbull this is what i picture in my mind.. http://funnypicturesofanimals1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/funny-animal-photos-22.jpg 
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When you say Pitbull this is what i picture in my mind.. http://funnypicturesofanimals1.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/funny-animal-photos-22.jpg 
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Yup, If a Pit comes on my property not on a leash and the owner is not at hand it gets 180gr at 2750fps. Shovel and dirt do the rest. If the owner is at hand then both are thrown off the property and get a "no-trespass" notice. If they ever come back the owner goes to jail. I will not take the risk of these nice sweet pets doing harm to me, the wife, my kids or my grand kids. And if you are wondering, I live in the country so shooting off my porch is not an issue. End of story. EBR666 Miss your morning cup of coffee there, gramps? |
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Pretty sure pits were bred to be fighters. Not really a surprise when you read a report about them ripping off a little kids face. Maybe you could do some reading, and then you could be sure, not "pretty sure." Bull and Terrier breeds were bred to fight other animals, not humans. In course of the fight, the dog's owner would need to tend to the animal. The dog would have to remain non-aggressive to the human, yet willing to continue the animal fight. Not an easy task for a bloodied, riled up dog. Fast forward to today, and any responsible bully breed owner will tell you about his dog's love for people. At the same time, he will exercise extreme caution when his dog is around other animals. He will keep his dog on a leash AT ALL TIMES in public, and socialize the dog as a pup with other animals. Since bull-baiting has long since gone out of fashion, one needn't concern himself that today's "pit bull" is a working, fighting dog. Y'all have read about bull-baiting before commenting, right? Bull and Terrier info You haters that cling to your prejudice like a kid to a blanket, click on the link above. Do some real thinking, if you have the balls. |
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All the people I know who had to go to the hospital for dog bites, all have been pit-bull type dogs. My dad was bit by one last month while at work. Therein lies the problem, my friend. People don't know what the fuck kind of dog they're looking at, so they say "pit-bull type." Probably the same folks that put stock in these retarded threads. Sorry about your dad. |
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What the hell I will add my valueless opinion to this.
I have had dozens of dogs (we had a flock of over 12k sheep). From Collies and Heelers to German Shepards and Rottweilers. Most dog behavior has more to do with the owner than the breed. Some has to do with the individual, as and example: lamb and chicken killing German Shepards (we had two that did and one that didn't). The thing that makes Pittbulls and Rottweilers dangerous, aside from some of the clowns that own them, is that they are powerful. Neither are naturally more viscous than any other breed. By far the best dogs I have had have been Collies and Rottweilers. Both are smart enough to learn anything you want to teach them. Right now I have an uncut Rottweiler and he is loved by half the county. I have people come out to the farm to visit the dog, folks stop by when they see my truck in town to visit the dog. I also have a Heeler and he is well regarded too but not like the Rottweiler. |
This is Sgt. Mitchell Dorman. He is where I got my Pit. I was given pic of the litter as a Birthday present by his wife. I accepted a puppy from them because I knew they were all raised around kids and other pets. Everyone is a big ass lap dog.  He just returned home from Astan and the dogs won't leave his side. That's my dogs brother (Titan) and mother (Tantrum), she is the one under the covers. I think Titan missed his Daddy. People that say Pit Bulls are only owned by thugs and people wanting to make them mean, just show how ignorant they really are. |
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People that say Pit Bulls are only owned by thugs and people wanting to make them mean, just show how ignorant they really are.
What certain folks also fail to realize is that the Bullies include the: American Bulldog American Pit Bull Terrier American Staffordshire Terrier Staffordshire Bull Terrier Bull Terrier So, if you look at any one of these dogs and just call it a pit bull, you're no different than someone who calls every black pistol a Glock. |
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People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. Last I checked, Labs were responsible for the majority of bites. I haven't checked lethal dog bite statistics in ages, so I imagine Pits could be higher in that category, but then the rate of death due to dog bite in this nation is so amazingly minuscule that the statistics would have far too high of a variance to be considered representative or correlative. Seriously, there are what, two dozen or three dozen fatalities across the entire nation in a year? The sample size is so incredibly small that you'd be far better off looking at the totality of circumstances in each individual incident rather than trying to draw correlations based on just one observed metric (like breed). I suspect, just working on a hypothesis here mind you, I suspect you'd find that the most correlative factor would be "scumbag bought what he thought was a mean dog, then the dog was abused, then it killed someone". I suspect that has far, far more bearing on dog bites than breed ever will. Umm, no. http://dogbitelaw.com/images/pdf/Dog_Attacks_1982-2006_Clifton.pdf I believe he's referring to bites, as he said. You're citing a report on fatalities. There is, in fact, a difference. That report lists attacks doing bodily harm, maimings, as well as deaths in both children and adults. IMO, it's kind of hard to have any of the above without bites..... |
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Has a pit thread ever failed to go full retard? Nope. The frenzy of "all pits must die" shows up in every single thread about them. As well as the apologists.... 
It's easy to be an apologist when you actually own a couple of them and have real, first hand knowledge of these awful beasts. For example....some people here would tell you that pit bulls simply cannot be trusted around children. They're unreliable, unstable and violent, prone to killing at any moment. Reference this thread for proof. Then there's this: 
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Quoted: Quoted: All the people I know who had to go to the hospital for dog bites, all have been pit-bull type dogs. My dad was bit by one last month while at work. Therein lies the problem, my friend. People don't know what the fuck kind of dog they're looking at, so they say "pit-bull type." Probably the same folks that put stock in these retarded threads. Sorry about your dad. I say pitbull type because I know arfcom freaks out about getting the name of the breed exactly correct. Make no mistake, I am talking about one type of dog. The dog was lucky it attacked him from behind, if he would have saw it coming he would have blasted that thing. Yes, I know all dogs can be aggressive, and I definitely realize the type of owners definitely influence their behavior. However, in my and my family and friends experiences "aggressive" breeds typically are the greatest offenders. Just like the people on arfcom who are quick to announce that profiling works for humans, I see no reason not to extend it to dogs. My dad was attacked by a young doberman (which he knocked out by slamming its head into the side of a house as it was latched to his arm) when he was a teenager. My neighbor was bit by a rottweiler (it was winter and hit leather jacket took most of the damage) when I was a kid. My dad was also attacked by this dog minutes later when talking to the neighbor, luckily he had a can of bear guard with him and which stopped the dog in its tracks. In my life I have been prepared to kill several dogs in my life. 1) Was a pitbul a woman had on a leash, the thing was growling and running at me dragging her down the sidewalk. Luckily she was strong and held on to that leash, allowing me to back away (I had my hand on my .45 just in case the thing got loose.) 2) I was out on a project and a doberman came rushing at me from a house. All I had was a can of paint. Luckily the owner was there and kept yelling at it to "get the F* back here" and it didn't come into the road. 3) My grandmother's Sheppard-Lab mix almost pit me in the face (luckily he was at the end of his chain and just missed). As he was coming for my face I saw it coming and jacked him in the jaw. I was so mad I wanted to perform a summary execution on the spot. Luckily, I thought better of it. After that day that dog has never been aggressive towards another person.  Other animals, well, they are a different story. And before someone tells me I need to "find a better place to live", these "attacks" all happened in different AO's ranging from ghetto suburbs of Cleveland Ohio to rural Pennsylvania. |
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Story from today... here A 74-year-old Delware woman remains hospitalized after being mauled by her daughter's pit bull.  |
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This thread needs more pics of people on couches with pitbulls to show how cute and luvable they all are.
I totally agree with the statement that not all pit owners are gangsters or guys looking to have the meanest fighting dog. Some just feel inadequate about their penis size.
You know like owners of "the judge" or a S&W 500.
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Story from today... here A 74-year-old Delware woman remains hospitalized after being mauled by her daughter's pit bull.
And from that same page: Man charged with slashing tenant with sickle
This clearly proves that landlords are prone to wield farm implements. |
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Quoted: Show me a big stack of articles involving landlords and farm implements and I would say you might have a point.Quoted: Story from today... here A 74-year-old Delware woman remains hospitalized after being mauled by her daughter's pit bull. And from that same page: Man charged with slashing tenant with sickle This clearly proves that landlords are prone to wield farm implements. |
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People do have a lot to do with it and there are pitbulls that are sweet as pie, there are teacup poodles that are vicious bastards. However, when you look at the dog bite statistics and especially the severe dog bite statistics, you can not deny that pitbulls have a higher incidence rate than other breeds. Saying that JUST the Pit Bulls are at fault is like saying the gun shot the man all by itself. Except that they're not at all alike. I mean, one's alive and one's a hunk of metal and plastic, right? Not seeing the comparison. |