Posted: 7/22/2011 3:09:55 PM EDT
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Didn't want to hi-jack the other cycle thread, and I don't ride but am interested in bikes,, so here is my question,,,
when you are traveling at a significant rate of spead, and are going through turns, I have heard people that ride say that they have to push the handle bars in the opposite direction, why is that? Keep in mind I know nothing about riding so please be gentle. |
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If you ride your bicycle over 20 mph, you can experience the same thing. Gyroscopic effect stiffens the front wheel, so to turn, you're leaning the bike in the correct direction by pushing on the handlebars in the opposite direction.
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Thanks, the Wiki article helped greatly. Does this just become an automatic thing or do you constantly have to think about it? Automatic. You mainly lean; the amount you push on the hand grips when going normal speeds is VERY small. On my Ninja, the amount of force required to negotiate curvy roads is just barely enough to register as pressure in my palms. |
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Thanks, the Wiki article helped greatly. Does this just become an automatic thing or do you constantly have to think about it? Automatic. You mainly lean; the amount you push on the hand grips when going normal speeds is VERY small. On my Ninja, the amount of force required to negotiate curvy roads is just barely enough to register as pressure in my palms. intersting,,,, thanks. |
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Quoted: This, my R1 it feels like all I have to do is think turn................. The cruiser takes a little more effort though, and if you need to dodge an obstacle in the road it is the quickest and most efficient way to avoid it. Anyone who rides often does it without thinking, you should practice more abrupt maneuvers for getting around that 4 X 4 in the road though. Quoted: Thanks, the Wiki article helped greatly. Does this just become an automatic thing or do you constantly have to think about it? Automatic. You mainly lean; the amount you push on the hand grips when going normal speeds is VERY small. On my Ninja, the amount of force required to negotiate curvy roads is just barely enough to register as pressure in my palms.  |
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Thanks, the Wiki article helped greatly. Does this just become an automatic thing or do you constantly have to think about it? Automatic. You mainly lean; the amount you push on the hand grips when going normal speeds is VERY small. On my Ninja, the amount of force required to negotiate curvy roads is just barely enough to register as pressure in my palms. intersting,,,, thanks. A bit of clarification - leaning is part of moving the handlebars, as the video shows (watch that if you haven't yet). Even though you're moving the handlebars in the turns, look how little that pointer moves side to side. |
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This, my R1 it feels like all I have to do is think turn................. The cruiser takes a little more effort though, and if you need to dodge an obstacle in the road it is the quickest and most efficient way to avoid it. Anyone who rides often does it without thinking, you should practice more abrupt maneuvers for getting around that 4 X 4 in the road though. Quoted:
Thanks, the Wiki article helped greatly. Does this just become an automatic thing or do you constantly have to think about it? Automatic. You mainly lean; the amount you push on the hand grips when going normal speeds is VERY small. On my Ninja, the amount of force required to negotiate curvy roads is just barely enough to register as pressure in my palms.
True. My Virago required a lot more handlebar work to get around the twisties. The video above where they try to steer with body weight only is interesting. But they also point out that leaning is part of turning the handlebars. Was the front wheel locked pointing straight ahead when they did that? I guess the best way to describe it is applying a little bit of pressure to the hand grip, causing the front wheel to roll up a little, then shifting your weight causes the front wheel to turn a little more. To straighten out you shift your weight the other way (apparently a little past center then back again). I guess the long and short of it is that it's pretty much unconscious because the behavior in that video was kinda surprising 
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more. Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. |
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more.Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. The mark of a newbie. It's amazing how much less your bike has to lean and how much tighter of a turn you can make by leaning your shoulder into the turn, instead of keeping your body vertical. |
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more.Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. The mark of a newbie. It's amazing how much less your bike has to lean and how much tighter of a turn you can make by leaning your shoulder into the turn, instead of keeping your body vertical. Unless you're letting the bike turn under you 
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more. Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. try changing that up, and push on your inside peg, you can thank me later (have you ever watched what GP riders do with their outside foot, usually flappin in the wind or just chillin)
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more. Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. try changing that up, and push on your inside peg, you can thank me later (have you ever watched what GP riders do with their outside foot, usually flappin in the wind or just chillin)If you put your weight on the inside peg, you can kick the bike out from under you. That's why you put your weight on the outside peg. |
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more.Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. The mark of a newbie. It's amazing how much less your bike has to lean and how much tighter of a turn you can make by leaning your shoulder into the turn, instead of keeping your body vertical. Unless you're letting the bike turn under you Or riding in the dirt 
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more. Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. try changing that up, and push on your inside peg, you can thank me later (have you ever watched what GP riders do with their outside foot, usually flappin in the wind or just chillin)If you put your weight on the inside peg, you can kick the bike out from under you. That's why you put your weight on the outside peg. if you can "kick" the bike out from under you, then you are doing it wrong. you don't jump up and down on the thing while leaned over in a corner at speed. by putting weight on the outside peg, you are working against yourself, making the motorcycle want to "stand up". weighting the inside peg further lowers the center of gravity and assists in high speed cornering. the whole reason rider's lean off the bike in the first place. if you are going to weight the outside, you might as well stay straight up and down and not try to corner at any kind of speed. |
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more. Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. try changing that up, and push on your inside peg, you can thank me later (have you ever watched what GP riders do with their outside foot, usually flappin in the wind or just chillin)If you put your weight on the inside peg, you can kick the bike out from under you. That's why you put your weight on the outside peg. if you can "kick" the bike out from under you, then you are doing it wrong. you don't jump up and down on the thing while leaned over in a corner at speed. by putting weight on the outside peg, you are working against yourself, making the motorcycle want to "stand up". weighting the inside peg further lowers the center of gravity and assists in high speed cornering. the whole reason rider's lean off the bike in the first place. if you are going to weight the outside, you might as well stay straight up and down and not try to corner at any kind of speed. I'm just curious if you actually ride. |
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automatic with experience and practice just like anything else
Thanks, the Wiki article helped greatly. Does this just become an automatic thing or do you constantly have to think about it?  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWb3lGjF928
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwX95m-jubU Nice videos. I've been riding since I was a kid and never put any thought into any of this. I just get on bike and make go. |
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more. Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. try changing that up, and push on your inside peg, you can thank me later (have you ever watched what GP riders do with their outside foot, usually flappin in the wind or just chillin)If you put your weight on the inside peg, you can kick the bike out from under you. That's why you put your weight on the outside peg. if you can "kick" the bike out from under you, then you are doing it wrong. you don't jump up and down on the thing while leaned over in a corner at speed. by putting weight on the outside peg, you are working against yourself, making the motorcycle want to "stand up". weighting the inside peg further lowers the center of gravity and assists in high speed cornering. the whole reason rider's lean off the bike in the first place. if you are going to weight the outside, you might as well stay straight up and down and not try to corner at any kind of speed. I'm just curious if you actually ride. I don't ride, nope, not a bit. I don't even own any firearms, so I don't know what I'm doin on this site. I will say something to counter my weighting the inside peg statement. If you don't feel comfortable or as stable doing the inside peg, then stay with the outside. for me, I can clamp on the bike enough with my outside knee that I can put a lil extra weight on the inside peg, and the difference is night and day. I'm not a big guy, 5'7" 160lbs, but I ride with my suspension a little tall, extensions on my front tubes and spacers on the rear to get the height where I like it. Some of the guys I ride with compare me to a monkey swinging from a tree the way I hang off the side of my ruckus 
I do like to feel the rear squirm more than the front push though, ala danny eslick |
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Keith Code does some great stuff. |
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more. Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. try changing that up, and push on your inside peg, you can thank me later (have you ever watched what GP riders do with their outside foot, usually flappin in the wind or just chillin)If you put your weight on the inside peg, you can kick the bike out from under you. That's why you put your weight on the outside peg. if you can "kick" the bike out from under you, then you are doing it wrong. you don't jump up and down on the thing while leaned over in a corner at speed. by putting weight on the outside peg, you are working against yourself, making the motorcycle want to "stand up". weighting the inside peg further lowers the center of gravity and assists in high speed cornering. the whole reason rider's lean off the bike in the first place. if you are going to weight the outside, you might as well stay straight up and down and not try to corner at any kind of speed. I'm just curious if you actually ride. I don't ride, nope, not a bit. I don't even own any firearms, so I don't know what I'm doin on this site. I will say something to counter my weighting the inside peg statement. If you don't feel comfortable or as stable doing the inside peg, then stay with the outside. for me, I can clamp on the bike enough with my outside knee that I can put a lil extra weight on the inside peg, and the difference is night and day. I'm not a big guy, 5'7" 160lbs, but I ride with my suspension a little tall, extensions on my front tubes and spacers on the rear to get the height where I like it. Some of the guys I ride with compare me to a monkey swinging from a tree the way I hang off the side of my ruckus
I do like to feel the rear squirm more than the front push though, ala danny eslick I don't know if you're being devious or what. I have always been told to put my weight on the outside peg so you don't lever the bike out from under you. I think I'll stick with that because it makes sense to me. |
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You push down and lean into the curve, because the contact patch of the front wheel tire-to-ground is on that side. On a sport or standard, lean in to kiss the mirror. Always see guys lean opposite the turn, meaning the bike has to lean more. Hell, even just riding to work, I would shift my ass to the turn side and lean down and in. No knee out but still a good shift of my whole body over. And put my weight on the high side peg. try changing that up, and push on your inside peg, you can thank me later (have you ever watched what GP riders do with their outside foot, usually flappin in the wind or just chillin)If you put your weight on the inside peg, you can kick the bike out from under you. That's why you put your weight on the outside peg. if you can "kick" the bike out from under you, then you are doing it wrong. you don't jump up and down on the thing while leaned over in a corner at speed. by putting weight on the outside peg, you are working against yourself, making the motorcycle want to "stand up". weighting the inside peg further lowers the center of gravity and assists in high speed cornering. the whole reason rider's lean off the bike in the first place. if you are going to weight the outside, you might as well stay straight up and down and not try to corner at any kind of speed. I'm just curious if you actually ride. I don't ride, nope, not a bit. I don't even own any firearms, so I don't know what I'm doin on this site. I will say something to counter my weighting the inside peg statement. If you don't feel comfortable or as stable doing the inside peg, then stay with the outside. for me, I can clamp on the bike enough with my outside knee that I can put a lil extra weight on the inside peg, and the difference is night and day. I'm not a big guy, 5'7" 160lbs, but I ride with my suspension a little tall, extensions on my front tubes and spacers on the rear to get the height where I like it. Some of the guys I ride with compare me to a monkey swinging from a tree the way I hang off the side of my ruckus
I do like to feel the rear squirm more than the front push though, ala danny eslick I don't know if you're being devious or what. I have always been told to put my weight on the outside peg so you don't lever the bike out from under you. I think I'll stick with that because it makes sense to me. I'll leave it alone. I hope to get a trip to the mountains in sometime in the coming months, maybe I can get some video. |
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extreme case, Stoner on the Honda MotoGP bike getting it turned. http://hellforleathermagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/stoner-599x324.jpg Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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last guy that posted vids of "having fun" got flamed for breaking the laws Just find some other photos or video dipicting a loose foot on the outside peg. Or even some reference from a professional rider saying that's how you do it. Even in the photo above, it looks like his foot is firmly planted onto the outside peg. It doesn't look like it's hanging loose. |
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this is from California Superbike School stuff seems that most of the guys that put any pressure on the outside peg do so to stabilize themselves on the bikes. eta: this is the internet, you can find arguments on both sides and even find the same guy arguing both sides. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |