[ARCHIVED THREAD] - No-Knock Raid Map (Page 1 of 3)
Posted: 6/26/2011 4:19:04 PM EDT
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No Knock Raid Map
I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. The queries from the map appear below the submit button after selecting your filters. |
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Quoted: No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. |
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No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. In before the blue line starts badmouthing Cato stats |
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Quoted: Quoted: No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. I can confirm at least three of the incidents in Utah, having seen and read the news coverage at the time they happened. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. In before the blue line starts badmouthing Cato stats I'm not a cop or a "blue liner", but the very first thing I looked up was wrong.  Either that or the OP is wrong in his thread title. The Jose Guerena raid was NOT a NO KNOCK. I'm not even sure he could be considered "innocent" as the map indicates. He was clearly shot because he had a gun in his hands. I'm not trying to rehash that thread here, I'm just pointing out a clear error in the map. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. In before the blue line starts badmouthing Cato stats I'm not a cop or a "blue liner", but the very first thing I looked up was wrong. Either that or the OP is wrong in his thread title. The Jose Guerena raid was NOT a NO KNOCK. I'm not even sure he could be considered "innocent" as the map indicates. He was clearly shot because he had a gun in his hands. I'm not trying to rehash that thread here, I'm just pointing out a clear error in the map. 1) The map does not say "No knock raids map" so you are correct in assuming the thread title is wrong. 2) Did they find drugs in Jose Guerena's house? Guerena had been arrested a couple years earlier, but had no criminal convictions and the police found nothing illegal in his home. Guerena's brother was the primary focus of a drug investigation that brought police to the Guerena residence. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. In before the blue line starts badmouthing Cato stats I'm not a cop or a "blue liner", but the very first thing I looked up was wrong. Either that or the OP is wrong in his thread title. The Jose Guerena raid was NOT a NO KNOCK. I'm not even sure he could be considered "innocent" as the map indicates. He was clearly shot because he had a gun in his hands. I'm not trying to rehash that thread here, I'm just pointing out a clear error in the map. 1) The map does not say "No knock raids map" so you are correct in assuming the thread title is wrong. 2) Did they find drugs in Jose Guerena's house? Guerena had been arrested a couple years earlier, but had no criminal convictions and the police found nothing illegal in his home. Guerena's brother was the primary focus of a drug investigation that brought police to the Guerena residence. He was shot because he had a gun in his hands, no other reason. The investigation is still ongoing, so to say he is "innocent" is premature. Again there is a 92 page thread to hash this out in. |
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Looks like Montana is the safest place to be.  Wyoming I think is better after looking up the actual stats. It is interesting that East of the Mississippi River has significantly more incidents than the West. I wonder if population density were to be factored in that this East vs. West would still hold. ETA: Both North Dakota and Wyoming are at zero incidents, South Dakota one, and both Montana and Nebraska are at two each. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Looks like Montana is the safest place to be. Wyoming I think is better after looking up the actual stats. It is interesting that East of the Mississippi River has significantly more incidents than the West. I wonder if population density were to be factored in that this East vs. West would still hold. Overlay a minority population map and a population density map and see what you come up with. |
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Looks like Montana is the safest place to be. Wyoming I think is better after looking up the actual stats. It is interesting that East of the Mississippi River has significantly more incidents than the West. I wonder if population density were to be factored in that this East vs. West would still hold. Overlay a minority population map and a population density map and see what you come up with. What does the minority population have to do with anything? I'm thinking more along the lines of what are the chances of being the victim of a no-knock raid regardless of one's ethnicity. The analysis is substantially more complex than overlaying population. One needs to factor in the population density of the particular County and/or c\City in which the incidents occurred. |
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The one in SD came up as "Other abuses of paramilitary power"
The White Plume Hemp Raids August 28, 2000—SD In August 2000, police in flak jackets and armed with assault weapons bring a convoy of trucks, planes, and helicopters to raid a hemp farm on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation. The White Plume tiospaye, a member of the Oglala Sioux tribe, was growing hemp as a cash crop on the theory that the reservation is a sovereign nation, and that hemp is legal for import in the United States (it's illegal to grow). Federal drug police disagree, and sent an armed paramilitary unit to destroy the family's 35,000 plants. Federal agents would repeat the raid the next year. The White Plume family would never face criminal charges for attempting to grow the crop. Any law enforcement on the Reservations not done by Tribal is done by Federal, that's federal law. There weren't that many vehicles, not many roads around on the res, either. As to the war on drugs aspect, yes, it was a silly waste since the hemp wasn't "grown right" or something like that to be good for smoking purposes. |
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No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. In before the blue line starts badmouthing Cato stats I'm not a cop or a "blue liner", but the very first thing I looked up was wrong.
Do you want a cookie for your research skillz? If so would you like to have it with milk, or in the shower? Do you want a cookie for your reseach skillz and, if so would you like it with milk or, in the shower? Either that or the OP is wrong in his thread title. The Jose Guerena raid was NOT a NO KNOCK. I'm not even sure he could be considered "innocent" as the map indicates. He was clearly shot because he had a gun in his hands. I'm not trying to rehash that thread here, I'm just pointing out a clear error in the map. Would you like a cookie for your research skillz? If so would you like it with milk or, in the shower? 
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Looks like Montana is the safest place to be. Wyoming I think is better after looking up the actual stats. It is interesting that East of the Mississippi River has significantly more incidents than the West. I wonder if population density were to be factored in that this East vs. West would still hold. Overlay a minority population map and a population density map and see what you come up with. What does the minority population have to do with anything? I'm thinking more along the lines of what are the chances of being the victim of a no-knock raid regardless of one's ethnicity. The analysis is substantially more complex than overlaying population. One needs to factor in the population density of the particular County and/or c\City in which the incidents occurred. There is high correlation between population density and minority representation. I'm guess minorities are more likely to be targets of these sorts of raids. I can't find the map I had that basically showed how the the population density and minority density hugged the coast and bulged up the middle near the mouth of the Mississippi. I haven't looked at the Cato map in a few years, that may have changed since then. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. In before the blue line starts badmouthing Cato stats I'm not a cop or a "blue liner", but the very first thing I looked up was wrong. Do you want a cookie for your research skillz? If so would you like to have it with milk, or in the shower? Do you want a cookie for your reseach skillz and, if so would you like it with milk or, in the shower? Either that or the OP is wrong in his thread title. The Jose Guerena raid was NOT a NO KNOCK. I'm not even sure he could be considered "innocent" as the map indicates. He was clearly shot because he had a gun in his hands. I'm not trying to rehash that thread here, I'm just pointing out a clear error in the map. Would you like a cookie for your research skillz? If so would you like it with milk or, in the shower? You have NO idea the research skills I have. You should see the numbers I crunched for total "incedents" per state, per year.  By the way I like chocolate chip. |
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I can tell you one thing.....as a Life Long Conservative who is honorably retired from the Military.....I find the raids disturbing as one who has served to protect the freedoms we all should cherish.
Every time I hear of a new botched raid....I shift more to the left...and against the LE performing these types of ops. What many in LE fail to understand...is that the mood of the public is swinging against you and the militarization of what is supposed to be...an organization to SERVE the public. I guess they feel "SERVING" means warrants. Maybe we need to clarify that wording. I am sick and tired of the Us Against Them mentality. I am sick and tired of LE becoming nothing more than armed tax collectors....or units with neat little slogans like "Always think forfeiture". Yeah that is American all right. Problem is that too many in LE has become so brainwashed...that they can't see the tide of anti LE sentiment rising and rising quickly. Abuse of Power is NEVER tolerated in America. Let the fun begin |
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i find this chart difficult to masturbate to. I am sure there are a few in LE that are pounding away furiously looking at that chart. Oh God............Looooooooooook aaaaaaaaaaaaat thattttttttttt...................Innnnnnocennnnnnnnnnnnnts killed.....I'm cumming! |
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Quoted: I can tell you one thing.....as a Life Long Conservative who is honorably retired from the Military.....I find the raids disturbing as one who has served to protect the freedoms we all should cherish. Every time I hear of a new botched raid....I shift more to the left...and against the LE performing these types of ops. What many in LE fail to understand...is that the mood of the public is swinging against you and the militarization of what is supposed to be...an organization to SERVE the public. I guess they feel "SERVING" means warrants. Maybe we need to clarify that wording. I am sick and tired of the Us Against Them mentality. I am sick and tired of LE becoming nothing more than armed tax collectors....or units with neat little slogans like "Always think forfeiture". Yeah that is American all right. Problem is that too many in LE has become so brainwashed...that they can't see the tide of anti LE sentiment rising and rising quickly. Abuse of Power is NEVER tolerated in America. Let the fun begin I agree with this post for the most part however I think the part highlighted should be addressed. In my interactions ( not a police officer) I don't see a "us vs. them " mentality from the Police, the opposite in fact. I don't hear cop's saying " Fuck the citizens", I hear more "citizen's" saying " fuck the cop's". This is true on ARFCOM also. In my community there is no "hatred" or "anti LE sentiment", perhaps because of the way our LE is trained, I really don't know . I do live in a high crime county but even in the bad towns and city's there is not a "anti LE attitude" unless it's coming from a "gangster" or someone with a history. The average 9-5 working class family actually enjoys having the police around. I'm speaking for my community only. I don't live in Mayberry, but I find it hard to believe that the people living in Ma., one of the most liberal, entitled, states in the nation, have better interaction with police than other parts of the country. As for the map........... if you break it down its .52 "incidents" per year, per state. It should be zero, but let's be realistic. If anything this shows that the entry teams are doing their best to prevent "incidents" considering how many raids are performed, no knock or otherwise. ETA: I crossed out the first part because I really don't. I don't know why I wrote it as the rest of my post is a contradiction. In an effort to be honest I will leave it there, crossed out. |
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Clearly it's getting time for the masses to stockpile more ammo (preferably AP), and invest in a good early warning system. What if you're one of the masses who is a criminal, say a wanted murderer or band robber? Should they be stockpiling AP ammo and getting ready for a shootout? |
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Clearly it's getting time for the masses to stockpile more ammo (preferably AP), and invest in a good early warning system. What if you're one of the masses who is a criminal, say a wanted murderer or band robber? Should they be stockpiling AP ammo and getting ready for a shootout? Yawn, a straw man argument, on my ARFCOM? Unpossable!!1! |
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I can tell you one thing.....as a Life Long Conservative who is honorably retired from the Military.....I find the raids disturbing as one who has served to protect the freedoms we all should cherish. Every time I hear of a new botched raid....I shift more to the left...and against the LE performing these types of ops. What many in LE fail to understand...is that the mood of the public is swinging against you and the militarization of what is supposed to be...an organization to SERVE the public. I guess they feel "SERVING" means warrants. Maybe we need to clarify that wording. I am sick and tired of the Us Against Them mentality. I am sick and tired of LE becoming nothing more than armed tax collectors....or units with neat little slogans like "Always think forfeiture". Yeah that is American all right. Problem is that too many in LE has become so brainwashed...that they can't see the tide of anti LE sentiment rising and rising quickly. Abuse of Power is NEVER tolerated in America. Let the fun begin I agree with this post for the most part however I think the part highlighted should be addressed. In my interactions ( not a police officer) I don't see a "us vs. them " mentality from the Police, the opposite in fact. I don't hear cop's saying " Fuck the citizens", I hear more "citizen's" saying " fuck the cop's". This is true on ARFCOM also. In my community there is no "hatred" or "anti LE sentiment", perhaps because of the way our LE is trained, I really don't know . I do live in a high crime county but even in the bad towns and city's there is not a "anti LE attitude" unless it's coming from a "gangster" or someone with a history. The average 9-5 working class family actually enjoys having the police around. I'm speaking for my community only. I don't live in Mayberry, but I find it hard to believe that the people living in Ma., one of the most liberal, entitled, states in the nation, have better interaction with police than other parts of the country. As for the map........... if you break it down its .52 "incidents" per year, per state. It should be zero, but let's be realistic. If anything this shows that the entry teams are doing their best to prevent "incidents" considering how many raids are performed, no knock or otherwise. ETA: I crossed out the first part because I really don't. I don't know why I wrote it as the rest of my post is a contradiction. In an effort to be honest I will leave it there, crossed out. What we see here is LE largely removed from the community. Rarely if ever do we see LE at public events. I have only seen a LEO out of their car to write tickets, or as part of an operation...NEVER walking in the town or even stopping to talk to people out in their neighborhoods. We have seen pretty much every one simply look straight ahead as they drive by...despite people waving to them. it is weird. Here we also see a HUGE focus on issuance of tickets. In my 7 mile drive to work on a rural road...it is not unusual to see 4-5 LE cars either stopping people...or waiting to stop people. This is on a 4 lane, major highway. We also had a new road installed between here and Charleston...beautiful 4 lane. Speed limit???? 45mph. It is a MASSIVE speed trap. The issue I see is that LE has become simply an armed tax collector. Very little if any community involvement. The community is "them" and the LEO's aka as "Us" are the ones fleecing them to support the department. Sorry...but until I see LE start acting like part of the community...it will only get worse. Our average response time here is 10 minutes ......I will handle shit myself thank you. Why do I pay taxes for these people? We do NOT live in the sticks......by the time our esteemed LE gets here...I will have the mop out cleaning up. |
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Clearly it's getting time for the masses to stockpile more ammo (preferably AP), and invest in a good early warning system. What if you're one of the masses who is a criminal, say a wanted murderer or band robber? Should they be stockpiling AP ammo and getting ready for a shootout? It's getting to the point where the cops are the criminals! Are you familiar with the saying (not an exact quote), "I'd rather see 99 guilty people go free rather than one innocent person spend a day in jail". I'd rather see 99 cops go down in a blaze of glory in a legitimate raid rather than one innocent life being lost in a wrongful one What pisses me off the most is if it was 99 innocent civilians that had been mistaken, and chose to defend themselves, they would be looking at life in prison/the death penalty. If it were 99 cops that made the same mistake... it'll never even see a court of law. |
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Quoted: What we see here is LE largely removed from the community. Rarely if ever do we see LE at public events. I have only seen a LEO out of their car to write tickets, or as part of an operation...NEVER walking in the town or even stopping to talk to people out in their neighborhoods. We have seen pretty much every one simply look straight ahead as they drive by...despite people waving to them. it is weird. This is where our communities differ. I live in a Large town where we do still have "beat cops". We also have police in cruisers as well as Deputy sheriff's, however the sheriff's department is not the primary law enforcement in my town. They handle K9, Bureau of criminal investigation and the county Jail. Both the Chief of Police and the Sheriff work closely together to perform the way the "citizen's" want. Here we also see a HUGE focus on issuance of tickets. In my 7 mile drive to work on a rural road...it is not unusual to see 4-5 LE cars either stopping people...or waiting to stop people. This is on a 4 lane, major highway. We also had a new road installed between here and Charleston...beautiful 4 lane. Speed limit???? 45mph. It is a MASSIVE speed trap. Nothing like that here. We have traffic enforcement just like every other community, but the main focus is on crime, real crime, not "granny" driving too slow on the free way. The issue I see is that LE has become simply an armed tax collector. Very little if any community involvement. The community is "them" and the LEO's aka as "Us" are the ones fleecing them to support the department. Again my community does not have that problem. The Police department, as well as the Sheriff's department, engage in all "festival" type gatherings, such as the 4th, Thanksgiving parades, fingerprinting for Kids, kids day at the county Farm (run by the sheriff's department). Both departments are very active in the community. Sorry...but until I see LE start acting like part of the community...it will only get worse. Our average response time here is 10 minutes ......I will handle shit myself thank you. Why do I pay taxes for these people? We do NOT live in the sticks......by the time our esteemed LE gets here...I will have the mop out cleaning up. All I can say is for every "you didn't respond", there will be an equal number of " you going to kill someone if you go that fast". I hate to say it but it seems that most of your departments problem is at the top, not the guys on the street.Their "attitudes" is certainly something that they may need to work on, but they have no control over policy and procedure. The general "anti LEO" attitude on ARFCOM seems to be unfounded. Even in your reply you seemed to put ALL LE into the same group and clearly they should not be. These "raids" have been going on for years. The power of the people is at the ballot box. If you dont want the raids then vote out your representatives, however if they get voted back in you need to realize that it is what the "people" want. |
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What pisses me off the most is if it was 99 innocent civilians that had been mistaken, and chose to defend themselves, they would be looking at life in prison/the death penalty. If it were 99 cops that made the same mistake... it'll never even see a court of law. This is the root of the problem. Same punishment for shooting dogs, as well. |
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One thing I don't agree with about the map is grouping marijuana raids in the same group as truly blotched raids. Let's face it, marijuana is still against federal laws. At least in MT, the Feds were leaving the medical marijuana growers alone until the growers became too big for their own good and some started transferring marijuana over state lines. In the MT searches, I didn't hear of any no knock, middle of the night type raids. I think some growers were even warned before hand. Whether you agree with marijuana laws or not, DEA agents are tasked with enforcing the laws. Work on changing the laws if you don't agree with it. Also, the map is too quick to judge shooting incidents as "innocents" being killed. They should be waiting until the hearings and civil suits are finished before declaring an "innocent" was killed.
I typed up a long response to everyone that thinks all the dog shootings are unjustified but I shortened it up. I've been on the receiving end of an aggressive group of dogs, I used my pepper spray, and I still got bit. My saving grace is that I was close to my car so I backed into it. As I found out, pepper spray is useless against dogs. If you're saying that I can't shoot a dog, am I just supposed to allow the dog to gnaw on me and not do anything about it? All it takes is responsibility on the owner's part and we wouldn't have these issues. |
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No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. Cato is legit. In before the blue line starts badmouthing Cato stats I'm not a cop or a "blue liner", but the very first thing I looked up was wrong.
Either that or the OP is wrong in his thread title. The Jose Guerena raid was NOT a NO KNOCK. I'm not even sure he could be considered "innocent" as the map indicates. He was clearly shot because he had a gun in his hands. I'm not trying to rehash that thread here, I'm just pointing out a clear error in the map. 1) The map does not say "No knock raids map" so you are correct in assuming the thread title is wrong. 2) Did they find drugs in Jose Guerena's house? Guerena had been arrested a couple years earlier, but had no criminal convictions and the police found nothing illegal in his home. Guerena's brother was the primary focus of a drug investigation that brought police to the Guerena residence. He was shot because he had a gun in his hands, no other reason. The investigation is still ongoing, so to say he is "innocent" is premature. Again there is a 92 page thread to hash this out in. Funny, unless he's convicted, I'm pretty sure that makes him innocent by our legal customs, yes? |
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One thing I don't agree with about the map is grouping marijuana raids in the same group as truly blotched raids. Let's face it, marijuana is still against federal laws. At least in MT, the Feds were leaving the medical marijuana growers alone until the growers became too big for their own good and some started transferring marijuana over state lines. In the MT searches, I didn't hear of any no knock, middle of the night type raids. I think some growers were even warned before hand. Whether you agree with marijuana laws or not, DEA agents are tasked with enforcing the laws. Work on changing the laws if you don't agree with it. Also, the map is too quick to judge shooting incidents as "innocents" being killed. They should be waiting until the hearings and civil suits are finished before declaring an "innocent" was killed. I typed up a long response to everyone that thinks all the dog shootings are unjustified but I shortened it up. I've been on the receiving end of an aggressive group of dogs, I used my pepper spray, and I still got bit. My saving grace is that I was close to my car so I backed into it. As I found out, pepper spray is useless against dogs. If you're saying that I can't shoot a dog, am I just supposed to allow the dog to gnaw on me and not do anything about it? All it takes is responsibility on the owner's part and we wouldn't have these issues. I am sure there are plenty of vicious, wild running dogs justifiably shot during the execution of a raid on violent offenders with sufficient evidence, unfortunately there are also lots of caged/chained dogs shot while raiding violent offenders home plus all the free running dogs shot over a few joints or unpaid parking tickets or worthless warrants based solely on a cracked out CIs testimony or even a flat out wrong house raid. |
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I personally know 4 people who are police officers. 2 of them I went to school with. The other two since school. All... ALL of them had some sort of social disorder. They were either not socially accepted or they felt as if they weren't. One was goofy and a stoner, one fat, one short and fat, and one just flat-out ugly. Since wearing the badge you'd swear they won the fucking lottery and a fleet of Learjets by their attitudes... every fucking one of them. Dunno what kind of Kool-Aid they serve in police academy but it must be some strong shit. I don't talk to any of them much anymore. Even the nicest one of them reeks of ass-hole so much I can hardly recognize him. |
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I can tell you one thing.....as a Life Long Conservative who is honorably retired from the Military.....I find the raids disturbing as one who has served to protect the freedoms we all should cherish. Every time I hear of a new botched raid....I shift more to the left...and against the LE performing these types of ops. What many in LE fail to understand...is that the mood of the public is swinging against you and the militarization of what is supposed to be...an organization to SERVE the public. I guess they feel "SERVING" means warrants. Maybe we need to clarify that wording. I am sick and tired of the Us Against Them mentality. I am sick and tired of LE becoming nothing more than armed tax collectors....or units with neat little slogans like "Always think forfeiture". Yeah that is American all right. Problem is that too many in LE has become so brainwashed...that they can't see the tide of anti LE sentiment rising and rising quickly. Abuse of Power is NEVER tolerated in America. Let the fun begin There’s no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law abiding citizens? What’s there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted—and you create a nation of law-breakers—and then you cash in on guilt. |
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No Knock Raid Map I don't know much about the source but, I thought this was something that some people would find interesting. The queries from the map appear below the submit button after selecting your filters. What is scary is no knock warrants are rarely used, most warrants use the legal loop hole of knocking just before the door gets breeched giving the ocupant no time to comply so they say they aren't "no knock" 
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Edward C. Reed
October 22, 1998—VA The Virginia Beach, Virginia SWAT team shoots Edward C. Reed, a husband, father, and church deacon 12 times, killing him. Reed was working as a security guard at The Professional Club. The 3 a.m. raid was carried out under a warrant for the suspicion of gambling. According to police, as they approached the tinted car where Reed was working security and identified themselves, Reed refused to drop his handgun. Reed's family insists that the police version of events is unlikely, given that Reed was a security guard. More likely, they say, Reed mistakenly believed the raiding officers were attempting to rob the club, particularly given that the club had been robbed months earlier. Police concede that Reed's last words were, "Why did you shoot me? I was reading a book." An attorney for Reed's family questioned why police would deploy a SWAT team to execute a warrant on a gambling operation. Prosecutors later declined to press felony charges against club owner Darrin Hyman for shooting at the SWAT team, agreeing that Hyman had reason to believe the police were criminal intruders. Sources: Tim McGlone, "Beach SWAT team cleared in shooting; Family spokesman cites guard's dying words, says report contradictory," Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, November 13, 1998, p. A1. John Frank, "Prosecutors drop charge against beach club owner; He thought raid was armed robbery, fired gun at police," Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, December 18, 1998, p. B1. Steve Stone, "Guard Shot by Police Called 'Gentle Giant,'" Norfolk Virginian-Pilot, October 25, 1998, p. B1.
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I personally know 4 people who are police officers. 2 of them I went to school with. The other two since school. All... ALL of them had some sort of social disorder. They were either not socially accepted or they felt as if they weren't. One was goofy and a stoner, one fat, one short and fat, and one just flat-out ugly. Since wearing the badge you'd swear they won the fucking lottery and a fleet of Learjets by their attitudes... every fucking one of them. Dunno what kind of Kool-Aid they serve in police academy but it must be some strong shit. I don't talk to any of them much anymore. Even the nicest one of them reeks of ass-hole so much I can hardly recognize him. Maybe them just spending some time around people that weren't constantly judging them based on their appearance or denigrating them because they did not excel at the crucial skills of fitting in or having pretty hair. Perhaps not having some douche ripping them down helped build a little self-esteem. Since your entire post sounds like a junior high pre-teen trying to rank herself against other girls on the pretty/popular scale, I wonder why the reek of asshole is so familiar to you. |
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Another Cato raidmap.jpg discussion? Show us another map that shows bad raids and we will use it, for now the Cato map, with its inaccuracies and libertarian bias and all, is the only game in town. Whatever it takes to make your point, I guess. |